Camila Cabello – Romance

[Choco]

I really think they need to move on to some standalones after "My Oh My" peaks. Some of the viable choices like "Cry for Me" and "Shameless" were released too early.

And the flop stigma around this project could only be removed by some sort of huge #1 (think Rated R's ass being saved by "Rude Boy") but I don't think that will happen for her right now.

I also think she definitely needs to hire a PR firm and start working on her image. I swear 9.9/10 comments about her are negative, even before this latest development. Not that she doesn't deserve it lmao, but she needs to start working her ass off to get people to actually like her and not just the great tracks that producers waste on her bad vocals.

And definitely start working with some organizations to educate herself about racism. Put in some work helping minorities from her privileged position. Show people she's actually changed and sorry. The industry has wasted way too many resources on her for all of it to crash down on her second album so I'm sure her team is already working on some sort of thing to address this.

As for whether she's actually a racist and just trying to salvage her career... I'm kinda shocked by the fact that all the little clues and facts collected by stan twitter over the years were actually correct because they can create a conspiracy out of thin air... but they were right in this case.

[GivesYouHell]

Dec 23, 2019 6:02:30 GMT -5 Choco said:

I really think they need to move on to some standalones after "My Oh My" peaks. Some of the viable choices like "Cry for Me" and "Shameless" were released too early.

And the flop stigma around this project could only be removed by some sort of huge #1 (think Rated R's ass being saved by "Rude Boy") but I don't think that will happen for her right now.

Lol Camila WISHES Romance had a global hit like Russian Roulette and a local hit like Hard.

[Choco]

But Rihanna was operating at a much higher level at that point and Rated R was a relative underperformance until "Rude Boy" smashed...

[PGriffin]

They need to wrap this up after My Oh My and head back to the studio from late 2020 release or January 2021 coz chiiillllle whew.

[felipe]

Dec 22, 2019 22:28:38 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

Not too many female singers can say that they have 2 songs that were as huge as Havana and Senorita.

Many can, actually. Or are you just referring to current pop stars?

[Deleted]

I respect the Rated R comparison, but all that just made me want to go listen to what is a fantastic slept on album

Though I think a bit in all fairness, that album led off more risky with a song like Russian Roulette, which name alone did affect its performance at least stateside.

Coupled with the song's dark music video for it's time, it of course affected it since the song is a very dark song that is obv influenced by her assault. It's evident why it didn't perform so well in the states and as strong as the hits of her prior album. So I don't think it's entirely fair to compare it to anything Camilla has put out.

Anywho, may I just say Russian Roulette surely is up there with Unfaithful as Riri's top ballads

[PGriffin]

Dec 23, 2019 10:49:20 GMT -5 @mirza said:

I respect the Rated R comparison, but all that just made me want to go listen to what is a fantastic slept on album

Though I think a bit in all fairness, that album led off more risky with a song like Russian Roulette, which name alone did affect its performance at least stateside.

Coupled with the song's dark music video for it's time, it of course affected it since the song is a very dark song that is obv influenced by her assault. It's evident why it didn't perform so well in the states and as strong as the hits of her prior album. So I don't think it's entirely fair to compare it to anything Camilla has put out.

Anywho, may I just say Russian Roulette surely is up there with Unfaithful as Riri's top ballads

Nothing else to add to the Camilla fiasco but, RR is one of Rihanna's defining songs I think. It was out of left field... it may not have been a smash hit  but it paid off in the long run for her career and artistry.

[divasummer]

Dec 22, 2019 20:26:04 GMT -5 itsaboutart said:

Dec 22, 2019 17:54:28 GMT -5 divasummer said:

This whole thread is a mess.
Go out into a community and see what's going on and talk it out with different people/races.
Not on the Pulse Board. lol This is barely even real life.
Go out and do something about it and just not whine here.
Feed the homeless, talk to pregnant teen mothers who need some help. Talk to someone who looks lost on the street, talk to an Arabic person who needs help and no one will talk to them. Do anything but complain on the Pulse Board which is turning into a tired Twitter war. Sorry.

Why don’t u go and do all of those things since u want to preach about them. I absolutely will use my civic right and call out racism when I see it. Iggy azalea got destroyed for her slavery reference in her rap, why should Camila get no consequences at all.

U don’t get to create a tumblr of hate and issue one basic apology and think it’s all good.

I actually do.
Not saying that makes me any different than anyone else.
Thanks for your comment.
Sorry if I offended you but it was getting annoying trying to find out music info about Camila and having to go through a race thing.
Which should be spoken about I'm not saying that, maybe not in this thread.
Happy Holidays.

[GP]

Dec 23, 2019 10:49:20 GMT -5 @mirza said:

I respect the Rated R comparison, but all that just made me want to go listen to what is a fantastic slept on album

Same! Photographs and Russian Roulette are those songs. Rude Boy still smashes too.

[PGriffin]

^^^^ let's not forget the monster smash that never was FireBomb.

[crdubb17]

Someone bringing up Rated R forced me to go back and get a good listen! Rated R was a whole MOOD. Photographs, Rude Boy, So Hard, Te Amo, G4L. The music felt exactly like the album cover, just flaw-free imo.

Back on topic: I don't feel comfortable listening to Camila's music anymore, but I'm really interested in seeing how she comes back from this.

[popwizard]

Dec 23, 2019 2:13:42 GMT -5 Ty said:

This is a good album in the technical aspects (save vocal production). She has the best songwriting and production team among pop girls. Props to them. But Camila herself never comes across to me as a genuine person like Carly, Dua or Tove, who make you feel like they do care about whatever they talk about. Her whole campaign, which tries to shove her down my throat, isn't helping either. I have the same bias when it comes to Halsey, but I think she has improved a lot recently.

Her most believable and best songs (aside from Havana and Find U Again) in my opinion are her darker songs, which not surprisingly, seems to be more genuinely who she is.

She's most believable (in my opinion) on tracks like:

Bad Things
("If you only knew the bad things I like

Don't think that I can explain it

What can I say, it's complicated")

I Know What You Did Last Summer
("He knows

Dirty secrets that I keep

Does he know it's killing me?

He knows, he knows

D-d-does he know")

Never Be The Same
("Sneaking in L.A. when the lights are low")

My Oh My
("I swear on my life that I've been a good girl (Oh)

Tonight, I don't wanna be her")

[Ty]

Dec 23, 2019 12:58:30 GMT -5 PGriffin said:

^^^^ let's not forget the monster smash that never was FireBomb.

This!!!

[Deleted]

Honestly Rated R as a whole is such a fantastic album really

Now I don't want it to be compared to Romance lol, yes I'm aware were talking about success wise not quality wise.

But still, RR is that bitch and all this talk really reminds me of how badly I want Riri to come back already

[Ivy Leegue™]

I'm sorry Rihanna stans that she hates y'all and stopped making music, but she does still have an active thread to discuss her.

[felipe]

Dec 23, 2019 2:13:42 GMT -5 Ty said:

This is a good album in the technical aspects (save vocal production). She has the best songwriting and production team among pop girls. Props to them. But Camila herself never comes across to me as a genuine person like Carly, Dua or Tove, who make you feel like they do care about whatever they talk about. Her whole campaign, which tries to shove her down my throat, isn't helping either. I have the same bias when it comes to Halsey, but I think she has improved a lot recently.

Do people like Halsey? It seems that even though she's had like three huge hits around 1 billion on Spotify each, it doesn't seem people are really interested in her.

[Deleted]

yes for the Rated R praise. The most important takeaway from this thread/Romance era tbh

the era where she transformed into a video star, Hard and Rude Boy videos >>

[wavey.]

Hope My Oh My smashes for her.

[🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾]

Word on the street is that Camila has left Epic. Roger her manager unfollowed Epic Records and now is following Atlantic and they are following Camila too. Some have said Roger always followed Atlantic because Camila did a song for some soundtrack before. If this ends up being true, this is really sudden.

[MissAmericana]

Dec 24, 2019 4:58:27 GMT -5 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 said:

Word on the street is that Camila has left Epic. Roger her manager unfollowed Epic Records and now is following Atlantic and they are following Camila too. Some have said Roger always followed Atlantic because Camila did a song for some soundtrack before. If this ends up being true, this is really sudden.

I'm surprised that Epic let go of her so easily. Maybe they dropped her?

[Choco]

Are we really at the point where a flop album is enough for someone to be dropped when theybjust had a #1?

Or maybe it's 'cause of the racist memes? Feels a bit too sudden considering how quickly people move on from this kind of news nowadays.

(Did not mean to start the whole Rated R detour btw, I was making a chart related comparison, without considering quality at all).

[🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾]

Dec 24, 2019 5:58:37 GMT -5 Choco said:

Are we really at the point where a flop album is enough for someone to be dropped when theybjust had a #1?

If it is in fact true that she and Epic parted ways, whether it was her deciding to leave because she was unhappy with how everything turned out, or they dropped her because of the large investment they made and got so little return out of it, or it was a mutual decision, it is still really shocking that this would happen.

But considering that there were multiple high budget music videos and several televised performances (SNL, iHeartRadio, MTV VMAs) and interviews with performances (Ellen, Graham Norton) and all of the heavy playlisting on Spotify for multiple songs and then not to mention all of the social media stuff, and whatever else the label paid for or funded to make this album era happen, and it still only got the album to #3, it's one of the biggest underperformances in a long time.

It's becoming abundantly clear that whatever Camila is serving the general public isn't interested in it. It also seems really strange that she would have such a large social media following (seemingly large social media following) and that didn't translate into even a reasonable amount of curiosity streams when the album came out. And then same with the general public even checking it out.

On the heels of her first album having done reasonably well and several of the songs from it actually did really well on streaming even up until recently, that really illustrates that nothing she is putting out is connecting in a way that gets people to want to come back and check it out again. Or was there something else at play that led to those high streams during the prior era and now that thing is not happening now.

[PGriffin]

I mean does one flop album (especially the second album) mean doom? This is clearly the sophomore slump. It would be weird that her label drops her at the start of her album era. I don't remember the last time that happened.

I think little Mix parted ways with their label just before their last album dropped and that was a disaster. Wrap it up and throw her back in the studio. She will be fine in the long run.

[Deleted]

I mean it’s not like her first album was some blockbuster era. She was still not propwrly established during her first era despite having a huge hit, because of how fast the ball was dropped after NBTS. It’s clear the GP doesn’t care or hates her now, but her first era is lowkey really where the ball was dropped heavily because they squandered her momentum too quickly after it had just started to gain traction after 2 singles.

You see how Ariana’s team handled the My Everything era, that was really when her profile and stardom elevated because she was everywhere and pumped out a solid 3-4 hits. Back to Rihanna, when she was sort of a pop benchwarmer in her first few eras she was always pumping shit out. Imagine a NEW artist having 1 big hit, one decent sized song and then just disappearing from the charts. This era is def underwhelming but “slump” seems a bit harsh considering she’s not falling from that high anyway.

[tinawina]

Dec 23, 2019 19:18:34 GMT -5 felipe said:

Dec 23, 2019 2:13:42 GMT -5 Ty said:

This is a good album in the technical aspects (save vocal production). She has the best songwriting and production team among pop girls. Props to them. But Camila herself never comes across to me as a genuine person like Carly, Dua or Tove, who make you feel like they do care about whatever they talk about. Her whole campaign, which tries to shove her down my throat, isn't helping either. I have the same bias when it comes to Halsey, but I think she has improved a lot recently.

Do people like Halsey? It seems that even though she's had like three huge hits around 1 billion on Spotify each, it doesn't seem people are really interested in her.

It’s not like there’s no precedent for that. There are plenty of singles artists. Halsey for now is one.

When Camila first went solo I said she reminded me of Jason Derulo or Keri Hilson but with a slightly bigger stanbase. Those are both people who work on paper (write catchy songs, attractive, can dance, make good videos, can land hits) but don’t really inspire a lot of devotion or investment among audiences. That’s just how their mojo works in the market.

I do think she has a lot of potential worldwide though, and I think she can get where they want her to go if they change their marketing tactics.

[annoymous1]

If that is true that she left Epic was her contract up for them or did she buy out of it because that's just all a sudden like y'all said and maybe that's a good thing for her and honestly that's Epic's karma for pushing 5H to the side when Camila left.

[felipe]

Dec 24, 2019 9:36:24 GMT -5 @swella said:

I mean it’s not like her first album was some blockbuster era. She was still not propwrly established during her first era despite having a huge hit, because of how fast the ball was dropped after NBTS. It’s clear the GP doesn’t care or hates her now, but her first era is lowkey really where the ball was dropped heavily because they squandered her momentum too quickly after it had just started to gain traction after 2 singles.

You see how Ariana’s team handled the My Everything era, that was really when her profile and stardom elevated because she was everywhere and pumped out a solid 3-4 hits. Back to Rihanna, when she was sort of a pop benchwarmer in her first few eras she was always pumping s**t out. Imagine a NEW artist having 1 big hit, one decent sized song and then just disappearing from the charts. This era is def underwhelming but “slump” seems a bit harsh considering she’s not falling from that high anyway.

I guess the problem is the expectations set for this release after all the money that was spent. I wouldn't be surprised to learn this was the most expensive album-rollout of the year.

[Normi]

I've been seeing ads for a My OH My challenge
I think that's the first song to actually be promoted through Tim Tok, right? That's kinda sad and desperate lol

[Maximillian]

You know, I've been struggling on this album. Not because its not good -- it is! It's very good actually. But I have two theories on why its underperforming:

1) They released half the album as singles before it dropped. I assume half of the people were burned out on Camila by the time it dropped (I mean, 6 singles -- promo or otherwise -- is overkill). I know that I skipped most of these songs when I listened to the album. The other half, the casual fans / listeners, probably heard 1-2 of these "singles" and decided the sound wasn't for them and just opted to not tune in. For instance, "Living Proof", while a great song, is a hard song to casually follow (terrible choice to promote that at AMAs).

2) Half the album seems like it lost Camila in the process -- even the songs I really like (Liar, Cry for Me, Should've Said It) just don't sell me like anything from her first album. Even pop stars have to bring a level of authenticity / artistry to their music (see: Halsey, Billy Eilish, Lizzo). In some cases, she was overproduced (that falsetto on Living Proof and Shameless...oof) and her vocals had to compete too hard against the production.

I fell in love with Camila because she is a genre-bender (a rare quality these days to be able to walk into pop, but kill it in latin, dance, rhythmic) -- and, in all fairness, you have to learn what DOESN'T WORK as much as you have to figure out what you're good at. I think she will figure this out. She reminds me a lot of Britney Spears in that Camila is very good at that soft spoken, breathy, sexual tone and vibe.

---

If it was up to me, I would have dropped the singles as follows:

1. Senorita
2. Liar (Promo)
3. My Oh My
4. Should've Said It

[wavey.]

Dec 25, 2019 4:51:00 GMT -5 Normi said:

I've been seeing ads for a My OH My challenge
I think that's the first song to actually be promoted through Tim Tok, right? That's kinda sad and desperate lol

....it's a popular app that has got songs more traction. How is it desperate?