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Post by campbellssoup on Sept 15, 2019 16:17:33 GMT -5
I’ve always been satisfied by how the singles from Janet Jackson’s “Control” all peaked at 1-5, although they didn’t do it in descending order. "When I Think Of You" - #1 "Let's Wait Awhile" - #2 "Nasty" - #3 "What Have You Done For Me Lately" - #4 "Control" - #5 I meant that, “When I Think of You” wasn’t released first, and then “Let’s Wait Awhile” after and so on. The first single was “What Have You Done for Me Lately” |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 16:19:57 GMT -5
"When I Think Of You" - #1 "Let's Wait Awhile" - #2 "Nasty" - #3 "What Have You Done For Me Lately" - #4 "Control" - #5 I meant that, “When I Think of You” wasn’t released first, and then “Let’s Wait Awhile” after and so on. The first single was “What Have You Done for Me Lately” I was listing their peaks on the Hot 100, sorry for the confusion. |
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Post by iHype. on Sept 15, 2019 16:33:27 GMT -5
Yeah Post Malone isn't a rapper, and no listeners in the Hip-Hop community seem to consider him one. There's a reason even he felt the need to claim he isn't a rapper.
He really doesn't do much work with Hip-Hop artists outside his own albums, and Louis Bell (the new Max Martin) has songwriting credits on like... all his music. And yeah, he ain't being slick deliberately attaching a Hip-Hop artist as featured everytime he does a more Urban song.
He's smart by staying away from diving into it too much at all, because if he tried to claim he was Hip-Hop the second any Hip-Hop artist/critic challenges him I feel like he would just get Macklemore'd. I even remember him saying he did not want to be submitted as Hip-Hop at the GRAMMYs specifically. Probably because it'd be the same incident all over again with Macklemore in 2014. He was lucky to get away with that comment on current Hip-Hop 'not being real music' a few years ago if we're being real, because truthfully, that should've exploded way more.
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Post by ddlz on Sept 15, 2019 17:41:38 GMT -5
Old Post Malone wasn't doing anything that different from other mumble trap artist who were also labeled as hip-hop, so generally people in hip-hop industry didn't really have problems with his label, some even came to his defense.
But now that he's going full-blown, pop-rock/alternative/adult contemporary singer, it's practically impossible to defend his hip hop label.
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Post by tanooki on Sept 15, 2019 17:46:41 GMT -5
The concept of a "genre" is dead.
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Post by cassiuscasanova on Sept 15, 2019 17:54:09 GMT -5
Yeah Post Malone isn't a rapper, and no listeners in the Hip-Hop community seem to consider him one. There's a reason even he felt the need to claim he isn't a rapper. He really doesn't do much work with Hip-Hop artists outside his own albums, and Louis Bell (the new Max Martin) has songwriting credits on like... all his music. And yeah, he ain't being slick deliberately attaching a Hip-Hop artist as featured everytime he does a more Urban song. He's smart by staying away from diving into it too much at all, because if he tried to claim he was Hip-Hop the second any Hip-Hop artist/critic challenges him I feel like he would just get Macklemore'd. I even remember him saying he did not want to be submitted as Hip-Hop at the GRAMMYs specifically. Probably because it'd be the same incident all over again with Macklemore in 2014. He was lucky to get away with that comment on current Hip-Hop 'not being real music' a few years ago if we're being real, because truthfully, that should've exploded way more. his quote about hip hop is what turned me off from him |
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Post by kierz7 on Sept 15, 2019 17:57:09 GMT -5
The concept of a "genre" is dead. No. It’s not. When you have ‘Black’ Female acts (in particular) still being “locked” and “boxed” into specific stylistic categories and genres in 2019, with the vast majority of them having to argue against being labelled ‘Pop’ or ‘R&B’ or ‘Urban’ artists, and especially when their musicianship is clearly eclectic and wide-varying, it obviously is still a problem and still exists. |
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Post by Okay on Sept 15, 2019 18:13:54 GMT -5
He's better when he leans more pop TBH. His Stoney material was trash.
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Sept 15, 2019 18:22:41 GMT -5
Imagine actually being this pressed
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Post by ddlz on Sept 15, 2019 18:32:31 GMT -5
He's better when he leans more pop TBH. His Stoney material was trash. Circles literally makes him sound like some washed up, The Voice judge making "hot AC" baits for soccer moms. Stoney is heaven for the ears compared to this atrocity he's releasing now.  |
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Post by mzumii on Sept 15, 2019 19:08:32 GMT -5
SYL better block TWYW from hitting the top 10. Fixed. ewwwww you really want SYL blocking an amazing rock song from the top 10 |
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Post by mzumii on Sept 15, 2019 19:53:20 GMT -5
In case I get banned, don't forget the following facts: 1. Circles is the worst song of the year 2. Hollywood's Bleeding is the worst album of the year 3. Post Malone has thrown his old fans (and hip-hop) under the bus and turned into Imagine Dragons/Maroon 5 sounding nightmare 4. Billboard is a joke and not a real popularity chart 1. Circles is amazing 2. Hollywood's Bleeding is my favorite album of the year 3. Post Malone did not throw his old fans under the bus lmao, we love this album |
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Post by mzumii on Sept 15, 2019 19:57:36 GMT -5
The amount of Post hate in this thread is disgusting to me lol
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Post by spicymapping on Sept 15, 2019 20:01:52 GMT -5
Ok yeah billboard is a joke in terms of measuring popularity but hollywood's bleeding is in no way the representation of that. WLYT and NFR both debuted below FI last week, which is a clear overestimation of sales in the formula, but nerfing sales keeps post the same. No matter which way you cut it, this album was massive.
Oh, and if we want to talk about utter trainwrecks debuting on the BB200 this week, there are.... better examples.
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Post by iggyamo on Sept 15, 2019 20:02:20 GMT -5
ewwwww you really want SYL blocking an amazing rock song from the top 10 I mean, I’d wouldn’t call it a rock song, but I agree. I would more categorize as alternative or maybe pop in the same vain as Nightmare by Halsey. |
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Post by spicymapping on Sept 15, 2019 20:16:13 GMT -5
kierz7 I wouldn't call anything Post Malone does as "spitting." He croons rapper-esque lyrics on mostly hip-hop production and features rappers and so people think he makes rap music or equate him to being a rapper but he really isn't. I can't name a single song where I can state for a fact that Post Malone is ACTUALLY rapping on and not just crooning. Bryson Tiller, who is predominantly an R&B singer, has songs where he's actually rapped. So does Trey Songz, Chris Brown and a whole bunch of other singers. Post Malone doesn't have any of that. He just croons and yodels over trap production, but that doesn't equate to rap music. That one part of Wow is definitely rap. Not that he should do whatever that was again, but he's at least rapped once in his life. |
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Post by gabe on Sept 15, 2019 20:19:14 GMT -5
kierz7 I wouldn't call anything Post Malone does as "spitting." He croons rapper-esque lyrics on mostly hip-hop production and features rappers and so people think he makes rap music or equate him to being a rapper but he really isn't. I can't name a single song where I can state for a fact that Post Malone is ACTUALLY rapping on and not just crooning. Bryson Tiller, who is predominantly an R&B singer, has songs where he's actually rapped. So does Trey Songz, Chris Brown and a whole bunch of other singers. Post Malone doesn't have any of that. He just croons and yodels over trap production, but that doesn't equate to rap music. That one part of Wow is definitely rap. Not that he should do whatever that was again, but he's at least rapped once in his life. so has ariana grande!  |
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Post by kcdawg13 on Sept 15, 2019 23:26:47 GMT -5
That one part of Wow is definitely rap. Not that he should do whatever that was again, but he's at least rapped once in his life. so has ariana grande! Well, I mean. It's kind of the same way why Pop stations refuse to play trap songs by black artists but spun 7 rings infinity times, which is a straight trap song. If its from Ariana it's okay apparently. Double standards are everywhere! |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Sept 16, 2019 1:30:14 GMT -5
The concept of a "genre" is dead. This is untrue. Genres will always matter, especially when it comes to parts of the industry that involve "politics" like awards, recognition and sometimes radio play and marketing. |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Sept 16, 2019 1:32:48 GMT -5
Imagine actually being this pressed Can people discuss how they feel about other artists and their art without being called "pressed" or "haters"? Please. |
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Sept 16, 2019 9:07:32 GMT -5
Imagine actually being this pressed Can people discuss how they feel about other artists and their art without being called "pressed" or "haters"? Please. there's def a difference between that and going on a 4 post tyraid about something irrelevant to the thread |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Sept 16, 2019 9:28:12 GMT -5
by Michelle Santosuosso
Post Malone is quintessentially “of” our times. The stage name came from an online rap-name generator. His music tastes like multiple genres pulverized in a blender, seasoned with that moody, melodramatic crooning soaked in a pill-and-syrup haze that connects directly to youth culture’s perpetual state of anxiety and depression—brought on by a world that is spinning out of their control. Even Post’s physical appearance is rooted in that angsty rebellion; the tatted-up face and quirky love of Crocs rejects every aspect of the previous status quo: a pretty-boy look, dripping in designer flow.
There is no clear influence with Post Malone; there is no loyalty to any specific culture either. He’s soulful because he’s so damn sad, authentic because he knows exactly how to craft a spectacular melody, undeniable as a talent because he serves up chorus after chorus that haunts your brain long after the song is over. This virtue is what has kept the long tails of his two previous albums dragging into the billion-stream realm.
What is truly stunning about Post’s third effort, Hollywood’s Bleeding (Republic), is how confidently he has perfected this blurred horizon of sound into real pop excellence. Hitting a stride with his tight group of collaborators Louis Bell, Frank Dukes and Billy Walsh, there is absolutely no arguing the hit factor omnipresent in these 17 tracks—three of which, “Sunflower” f/Swae Lee, “Wow,” and “Goodbyes” f/Young Thug, all tethered more to his previous fusions of R&B, have already launched to the top. But a distinctive Alt-Rock energy is present on “A Thousand Bad Times,” “Allergic,” and “Circles” that demonstrates impressive growth, along with some of the star collaborators simmering under other spectacular tracks—Father John Misty behind the reflective song “Myself,” Kanye West’s theatrics embedded into “Internet.”
The multiple features also weave effortlessly into the work and don’t sound forced, whether it’s DaBaby’s rapid-fire intensity as the perfect complement to that bouncy-but dead-serious delivery of “Enemies,” Future as the foundation of the trap-pop cut “Die For Me” (with Halsey snapping on the bridge to hold down every female listening) or Lil Baby and Meek Mill helping land the “fuck you fake bitch” blows for “On The Road.”
But OZZY, though! That’s nothing less than a “Holy shit!” situation. There hasn’t been a moment like this on any album for a minute. Let’s set aside the fact that this is the most randomly savage pairing ever conceived—and that it resulted in a truly hilarious, if slightly infuriating, Gen Z face-palming proclamation on social media: that Post Malone had somehow aided the career of one of rock’s defining greats.
He’s soulful because he’s so damn sad, authentic because he knows exactly how to craft a spectacular melody, undeniable as a talent because he serves up chorus after chorus that haunts your brain long after the song is over.
That just highlighted exactly how generations regularly ignore each other’s greats and heroes. But it is also exactly what makes “Take What You Want” so fucking powerful. Not only will a new group of music lovers discover the rock fury that is the Prince of Darkness/Godfather of Metal, but the adults in the room who may have wandered past that Netflix banner about Travis Scott in their queue, get to hear what La Flame is all about. And then there’s the songcraft and musicianship present in the power ballad, highlighted further by that searing guitar solo by watt. It’s the stuff of legend, yo. Regardless of how y’all feel about Post Malone as an artist overall, stay in the no-fronting zone on this one. This particular song is insanely dope on so many levels and poised to be enduringly influential.
“I wanted to be super organic. I’m not trying to make huge smashes,” Post said about the creation of this record, “I just wanna make songs that tell stories and are genuine to me that I think is really awesome.”
If keeping those Posty vibes intact was the humble goal of Hollywood’s Bleeding, dude certainly kept it trill—and the attending audience is about to do the same. With a trillion streams.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Sept 16, 2019 10:46:57 GMT -5
kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2019/09/16
1(=) Lizzo - Truth Hurts 148.88(+1.55)
2(=) Shawn Mendes & Camila Cabello - Señorita 146.88(+0.24)
3(=) Ed Sheeran & Justin Bieber - I Don't Care 130.71(-0.62)
4(=) Khalid - Talk 129.12(+0.31)
5(=) Jonas Brothers - Sucker 107.39(+0.28) 6(=) Lewis Capaldi - Someone You Loved 105.45(+1.79)
7(=) Billie Eilish - bad guy 99.34(+0.33)
8(=) Shawn Mendes - If I Can't Have You 89.89(-1.49)
9(=) Post Malone - Goodbyes (feat. Young Thug) 86.83(+1.13)
10(=) Chris Brown - No Guidance (feat. Drake) 85.47(+0.38)
12(=) Ed Sheeran - Beautiful People (feat. Khalid) 68.22(+1.16)
15(+1) SHAED - Trampoline 58.19(+0.97) 18(=) Jonas Brothers - Only Human 56.26(+0.98) 38(+9) Post Malone - Circles 37.41(+2.40) 51(+2) Lil Tecca - Ransom 31.01(+0.93)
66(+1) Lil Nas X - Panini 23.92(+0.76)
85(+9) Taylor Swift - Lover 19.79(+2.41)
98(+3) Chris Brown - Heat (feat. Gunna) 16.44(+0.77) 100(+4) Luke Combs - Even Though I'm Leaving 15.91(+1.27)
-(-) Camila Cabello - Liar 15.54(+1.39)
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Post by Enigma. on Sept 16, 2019 10:50:10 GMT -5
Great update for Lover!
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Post by Leo ✔ on Sept 16, 2019 12:33:23 GMT -5
The big airplay gap should help "Someone You Loved" to hit top 10 this week.
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Post by renaboss on Sept 16, 2019 12:38:19 GMT -5
Is there an expected delay for the chart preview this week?
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Post by twelvevinylrecords on Sept 16, 2019 12:40:23 GMT -5
Is there an expected delay for the chart preview this week? New number one? |
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Post by jtd Thee Stallion on Sept 16, 2019 12:43:39 GMT -5
I mean that Fergie album is basically a hip hop album It was! However, that didn’t stop her record label and other critics, marketeers recognising it as a “Pop” album with “R&B/Hip-Hop” influences. As I said, ‘London Bridge; Glamorous; Fergalicious’ etc. are no less “Hip-Hop” songs than some of those in which Malone has released. Even a song like “Big Girls Don’t Cry”, which is a Pop/Rock record, is still similar to ballads that Malone has released and he’s still labelled a “Rap” artist. They corrected the error of their ways a bit when they allowed L.A. Love to chart on the Rap chart, but honestly that should be a testament to their inconsistency. |
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Post by lurker2 on Sept 16, 2019 12:46:19 GMT -5
I know Señorita was in the margin of error for Simon, so maybe it was that? Or maybe Tik Tok or Fortnite are doing something again lol.
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Post by Gary on Sept 16, 2019 12:58:16 GMT -5
Or maybe it has nothing to do with anything related to chart movement at all. The article doesn't always come out at a set time
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