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Post by Gary on Sept 17, 2019 17:52:45 GMT -5
As many know by now, most of the free portion of billboard.com is now no longer free
What is this sites policy on posting the charts now?
Is it protected information like Soundscan data?
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Post by JOJO SIWA DERANGEMENT SYNDROME on Sept 17, 2019 21:56:41 GMT -5
Doesn't Soundscan own Billboard now? I would be inclined to believe that it's probably going to be treated similarly.
But Billboard tweets out things and chart positions and there are those articles so I wonder if it would be problematic if people start piecing together that info here to "figure out" the chart?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 3:05:15 GMT -5
Anything that is paywalled is going to be off-limits. Posting non-paywalled charts, articles with links included, and information that has been tweeted out should still be fine.
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Sept 18, 2019 3:34:45 GMT -5
Anything that is paywalled is going to be off-limits. Posting non-paywalled charts, articles with links included, and information that has been tweeted out should still be fine. What about shared information (I.e, someone who does pay telling someone who doesn't about some chart positions, movements etc.)? I feel like blocking that wouldn't be really allowed, like you couldn't block someone from sharing information in a magazine/online news website they read to someone else who doesn't pay for it? Is there a limit to how much you could share or how public the information is? Like, if you just mentioned "Song A is dropping down the chart, Song B has stuck at #11 for ages" or similar things, is that fine? I doubt I'll necessarily want or need the information on the charts but I am curious as to how strict they'll be on those rules. Would they stop people from using PM's to share it (Which reasonably isn't public but could still get information spread in the same way?). It feels like a line would need to be drawn but no matter where it would be it'd not be quite right :/ . Obviously we should be cautious to begin anyway though lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 4:53:06 GMT -5
Anything that is paywalled is going to be off-limits. Posting non-paywalled charts, articles with links included, and information that has been tweeted out should still be fine. What about shared information (I.e, someone who does pay telling someone who doesn't about some chart positions, movements etc.)? I feel like blocking that wouldn't be really allowed, like you couldn't block someone from sharing information in a magazine/online news website they read to someone else who doesn't pay for it? Is there a limit to how much you could share or how public the information is? Like, if you just mentioned "Song A is dropping down the chart, Song B has stuck at #11 for ages" or similar things, is that fine? I doubt I'll necessarily want or need the information on the charts but I am curious as to how strict they'll be on those rules. Would they stop people from using PM's to share it (Which reasonably isn't public but could still get information spread in the same way?). It feels like a line would need to be drawn but no matter where it would be it'd not be quite right :/ . Obviously we should be cautious to begin anyway though lol. If staff 'allows' people to post information they're not supposed to share (i.e. doesn't immediately remove the information) it puts the board at risk of being yanked completely. Respondeat superior.Years ago, Soundscan's lawyers contacted Proboards - not even Pulse staff, just went straight to Proboards - to inform them that Soundscan data is copyrighted and not allowed to be posted. Here's the thread for that: pulsemusic.proboards.com/thread/116782/soundscan-data Essentially: 1) Billboard and Soundscan are now under the same roof, and it's probably not a coincidence that the same company that didn't want exact sales numbers posted before is now, in effect, the same company that is hiding most of its chart data behind a paywall almost immediately 2) If one poster illegally shares information, the entire board and even Proboards itself is held responsible for it. 3) There is almost no doubt that we are on BB/SS's radar as a music forum, because we came across their radar before Proboards would shut us down before taking a lawsuit for us; likewise, Pulse staff will warn/ban someone before letting the board get shut down just because someone really needs to know that Panini is #21 on Pop Songs (or whatever chart position it currently is). PMB took a very strict 'no SS numbers' stance after that incident above and I expect that they will act the same wrt to the charts. Probably the most you could do is give general marks ('Panini is in the Pop Songs top 40 this week' 'Panini has entered Pop Songs' top 20' 'Panini has gone recurrent after 23 weeks on the chart' etc.) since we do allow one to post rounded sales numbers. I think the paywalled screens do allow you to see the top two songs on the chart before fading out the rest, so if a song made top 2 on a chart maybe you could post that. But even with those caveats, I am not 100% sure. I just know I would not risk even a small violation. With that said Pulse staff does not monitor PMs (with very specific exceptions, i.e. someone harassing or threatening you), and...I'll just leave that at that, heh. |
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Post by Gary on Sept 18, 2019 6:24:37 GMT -5
Yeah I have some knowledge about that Soundscan thing - LOL. Soundscan sent a 'cease and desist' to Proboards who in turn contacted me and then I subsequently alerted staff.
My question is more preventative than anything else.
However, Some huge differences between the current subscription charts and the Soundcsan data from before
Access to Billboard data is 10 bucks not the mind boggling dollars that Soundcsan data is/was
Many people have access for example, with the Soundscan data only a few "in the know" people had access who then leaked it to websites like this one.
For example, my access to this data does not change, I continue to have the same access I always had.
These charts have been widely shared forever on many sites, including this one and I suspect they will continue to be, as many people have the same access I do.
Anyway, just saying staff should probably come up with some sort of policy on this.
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