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Post by Lukas on Nov 5, 2019 14:21:11 GMT -5
I agree with what rockgolf said about the Christmas songs being allowed to chart each year, since it reflects what people are listening to in a certain time period. However, I do believe that there should be some form of rule in place for those songs on year-end lists and all-time lists. It would be ridiculous if the all-time top 10 songs 50-70 years from now where simply holiday songs most people in the world would only ever listen to one month in a year. To me that sounds problematic. You're saying it's ok for them to perform on the weekly chart, but those points should not count toward yearly and/or all-time lists? The root of the problem is that the songs are allowed to keep recharting to begin with, no? That's like saying the problem is ok, but the end result isn't. I see both sides, and it is a weekly chart. But based on what you've presented, I feel like they need to either be eligible for all-time lists, or they shouldn't be able to chart as recurrents on the weekly chart every year. If there was a rule that said that songs after their 5th or 10th or whatever chart run would count less for the all time chart, would that work lmao. I’m not saying that AIWFCIY shouldn’t make it, but it shouldn’t be #1. The point of weekly charts is to state the top performing songs of a certain week. Unless Billboard made a rule that said that songs can only spend 100 max weeks on the chart or something, they deserve to continue charting.
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Post by mzumii on Nov 5, 2019 17:08:02 GMT -5
Feels weird how we live in a world where better now was outpeaked by wow and circles #JusticeForBetterNow Better Now not hitting #1 is still a national tragedy. I blame it on Post's team not making a high budget MV for it.
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Post by sirskimask on Nov 5, 2019 17:35:02 GMT -5
Weird that it happened so soon after his album release. The songs were already on their way out. If not for the album Wow. would've dropped out weeks ago and Sunflower wouldn't have gotten week #53.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 17:54:38 GMT -5
Selena Gomez relased the lead for SG2 they people have been waiting for five years Didn't she drop like 5 plus songs between 2017 & and now, were none of them ever considered the lead? I don't know why people are acting like she hasn't released music in years. I guess the music just didn't hit as well as her most recent releases. Her others songs were ethire collabs for other albums or soundtracks singles , this is leading an era
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Post by spoons on Nov 5, 2019 17:55:40 GMT -5
Feels weird how we live in a world where better now was outpeaked by wow and circles #JusticeForBetterNow Better Now not hitting #1 is still a national tragedy. I blame it on Post's team not making a high budget MV for it. No disrespect, HARD disagree
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Post by ddlz on Nov 5, 2019 18:03:37 GMT -5
Feels weird how we live in a world where better now was outpeaked by wow and circles #JusticeForBetterNow Wow is a good song! In fact, Wow is his last good single. It all went downhill after that.
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Post by kcdawg13 on Nov 5, 2019 18:23:57 GMT -5
Circles is Post Malone's sixth consecutive Top 3 hit, the only song he has that hit the Top 10 and not reach the Top 3 is Congratulations. As for non-official releases Take What You Want reached #8. But that's a pretty incredible feat.
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Post by kierz7 on Nov 5, 2019 18:54:18 GMT -5
Didn't she drop like 5 plus songs between 2017 & and now, were none of them ever considered the lead? I don't know why people are acting like she hasn't released music in years. I guess the music just didn't hit as well as her most recent releases. Her others songs were ethire collabs for other albums or soundtracks singles , this is leading an era “Bad Liar” and “Fetish”, released between May and August 2017, were ‘collars for other albums’ and ‘OST singles’? 💀 They were clearly meant to ‘lead’ the era but were scrapped. “It Ain’t Me; Wolves; Back To You; Taki Taki” were just just the icing on the cake.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 18:57:17 GMT -5
Feels weird how we live in a world where better now was outpeaked by wow and circles #JusticeForBetterNow Wow and circles are better songs
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 19:01:33 GMT -5
Her others songs were ethire collabs for other albums or soundtracks singles , this is leading an era “Bad Liar” and “Fetish”, released between May and August 2017, were ‘collars for other albums’ and ‘OST singles’? 💀 They were clearly meant to ‘lead’ the era but were scrapped. “It Ain’t Me; Wolves; Back To You; Taki Taki” were just just the icing on the cake. Bad liar and fetish were never meant for an album , they were experimental songs she released on there own cuz she was proud of them
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Post by kierz7 on Nov 5, 2019 19:44:51 GMT -5
“Bad Liar” and “Fetish”, released between May and August 2017, were ‘collars for other albums’ and ‘OST singles’? 💀 They were clearly meant to ‘lead’ the era but were scrapped. “It Ain’t Me; Wolves; Back To You; Taki Taki” were just just the icing on the cake. Bad liar and fetish were never meant for an album , they were experimental songs she released on there own cuz she was proud of them RECIEPTS? I remember that era vividly and I recall her choosing to randomly releasing stand-alone singles because “she was proud of them” and wanted too. Weren’t her stans saying all over Twitter that they were meant to kickstart the era but then dropped because of her health issues?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 19:50:22 GMT -5
Bad liar and fetish were never meant for an album , they were experimental songs she released on there own cuz she was proud of them RECIEPTS? I remember that era vividly and I recall her choosing to randomly releasing stand-alone singles because “she was proud of them” and wanted too. Weren’t her stans saying all over Twitter that they were meant to kickstart the era but then dropped because of her health issues? Health issues stopped the promotion but they where always stand alone
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Post by mzumii on Nov 5, 2019 20:09:54 GMT -5
Feels weird how we live in a world where better now was outpeaked by wow and circles #JusticeForBetterNow Wow is a good song! In fact, Wow is his last good single. It all went downhill after that. Downhill? Circles is one of his best hits imo
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Post by ddlz on Nov 5, 2019 21:56:25 GMT -5
We just need to change our tactic and pray to Lucifer for help instead of God! It has worked!
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Post by kierz7 on Nov 5, 2019 22:47:49 GMT -5
QUESTION:
What will it take for a song to spend 90+ weeks on the Hot 100, thus surpassing Imagine Dragon’s record with 87 weeks.
Is that even possible on the Hot 100 in this day and age, especially due to the 25/52 rule?
If it is, how would a song defy that and eventually achieve such? Colossal longevity at radio and/or on Streaming?
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Post by nathanalbright on Nov 5, 2019 22:53:59 GMT -5
QUESTION: What will it take for a song to spend 90+ weeks on the Hot 100, thus surpassing Imagine Dragon’s record with 87 weeks. Is that even possible on the Hot 100 in this day and age, especially due to the 25/52 rule? If it is, how would a song defy that and eventually achieve such? Colossal longevity at radio and/or on Streaming? There are at least a couple of scenarios that would allow it to happen: Scenario A: The song is a slow gainer at radio/streaming, and manages to beat 20 weeks at 50 in a genre (R&B or country, for example), and then it manages to cross over into mainstream pop and build up a lot of support on radio and/or streaming that allows it to peak very late into a chart run and manage to beat the 52 week rule by managing to maintain lots of radio and streaming in the top 25 before a slow decline. Scenario B: A song starts out strong with sales and streaming, manages to build radio to avoid any decline while streaming declines, and manages to cross over into multiple genres which help it maintain a lot of radio long after it has peaked in top 40, in say Adult Contemporary or Hot AC, while maintaining enough sales and streaming to keep it in the top 25 the whole time. It would help if it has a massively popular YouTube video that simply refuses to go away, and possibly a few remixes that are strategically aimed at different radio genres to keep its support strong across the board. 90 weeks is an awful long time for such a song to survive, and it would be at the mercy of all kinds of album bombs that it would have to survive, especially for its last 40 weeks (!) on the chart, but it is at least something that could be done, at least theoretically.
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Post by mms82 on Nov 5, 2019 22:54:16 GMT -5
QUESTION: What will it take for a song to spend 90+ weeks on the Hot 100, thus surpassing Imagine Dragon’s record with 87 weeks. Is that even possible on the Hot 100 in this day and age, especially due to the 25/52 rule? If it is, how would a song defy that and eventually achieve such? Colossal longevity at radio and/or on Streaming? Probably a song that gets fundamentally remixed towards the end of the run bringing new life into it- like Despacito already was charting for like 15 weeks before Bieber got on and changed it, then something happens and revitalizes it like 40 weeks into its run, giving it another 40 or so Like apparently Justin Bieber was going to hop on a Meant to Be remix. Imagine that happened during its 44th week on the hot 100 when it fell off. It'd likely shoot back to the top or thereabouts, the remix would take over and get a run on pop radio and AC, and country might even pick it up for some residual plays. It'd be a colossal radio juggernaut and streaming force in its 50th weeks, likely being in the top 3. Then if it had the same fall again (Meant to Be is still on the recurrent charts), it could probably last close to 80 something weeks before it finally dipped below 25.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 0:10:37 GMT -5
To me that sounds problematic. You're saying it's ok for them to perform on the weekly chart, but those points should not count toward yearly and/or all-time lists? The root of the problem is that the songs are allowed to keep recharting to begin with, no? That's like saying the problem is ok, but the end result isn't. I see both sides, and it is a weekly chart. But based on what you've presented, I feel like they need to either be eligible for all-time lists, or they shouldn't be able to chart as recurrents on the weekly chart every year. If there was a rule that said that songs after their 5th or 10th or whatever chart run would count less for the all time chart, would that work lmao. I’m not saying that AIWFCIY shouldn’t make it, but it shouldn’t be #1. The point of weekly charts is to state the top performing songs of a certain week. Unless Billboard made a rule that said that songs can only spend 100 max weeks on the chart or something, they deserve to continue charting. I think a rule stating that a holiday song is allowed to chart yearly unless and until it reaches #1, after which the song is put in permanent recurrent status, would suffice. This allows every seasonal tune the chance to hypothetically grow to its max potential while also still reflecting most of the 'true' top performers during that time of year. But mainly it's just a neat way to give AIWFCIY a fair shot at the #1 without letting it take over every year that it happens to get a conveniently timed streaming/airplay week. The all-time and decade-end lists are a bit trickier, as a continually-charting holiday song is basically able to amass points in perpetuity - but on the flip side, only ever gets 4-6 weeks in per year so who even knows how many years it would take for them to show up on the all-time list or how that would affect their standing on a decade-end list. Maybe a 0.75x formula (where x=raw calculated points) to balance things out could take care of it? I think I'd be okay nixing the theoretical 'permanent recurrent' rule as long as there was a weight adjustment for the decade and all-time lists.
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Post by tanooki on Nov 6, 2019 0:19:31 GMT -5
Using the all time list formula, AIWFCIY has less than half the points needed to even make a decade end list. It has about 16% of the points that The Twist currently has (Smooth has around 85%). It only has a shot of hitting #1 on good years and yeah, it only has 4-6 weeks each year to chart. After it hits 52 weeks, the 25/52 rule sill give it less weeks to rack up points. If Billboard is smart and if chart turnover continues to slow down, the multipliers will be even less and AIWFCIY will have a harder time climbing to the GOAT list. I just don't see this being that big of an issue.
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Post by sirskimask on Nov 6, 2019 1:25:45 GMT -5
QUESTION: What will it take for a song to spend 90+ weeks on the Hot 100, thus surpassing Imagine Dragon’s record with 87 weeks. Is that even possible on the Hot 100 in this day and age, especially due to the 25/52 rule? If it is, how would a song defy that and eventually achieve such? Colossal longevity at radio and/or on Streaming? The only way I could see it happening is AIWFCIY continuing to chart high every holiday season for another 15-20 years. Apart from that I'm not sure if it's feasible with the 25/52 rule in place, especially when you have to consider that the song would be facing challenges from album bombs every so often and for it to not get knocked out by one for 90 whole weeks doesn't seem possible imo
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Post by kcdawg13 on Nov 6, 2019 2:02:50 GMT -5
It's kind of annoying that radio holds onto songs for so damn long, like there has to be some kind of system to get radio to start playing newer music instead of the same song for 10 months until they find another song to spin for 10 months.
Like there's no reason Sucker and Talk should both be #11 and #12 on radio when they were released in February, both tracks peaked months ago and no one gives a shit about them anymore. I also love hearing my pop station be like "the best for new music" and have to hear songs like Love Lies, Without Me and Happier all day long. It's pretty ridiculous.
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Post by Au$tin on Nov 6, 2019 2:44:48 GMT -5
Streaming Songs has 11 songs at 20 weeks or older: "Ransom," "Old Town Road," "No Guidance," "bad guy," "Sunflower," "Truth Hurts," "Baby Shark," "Money in the Grave," "Suge," "Lucid Dreams," and "Without Me." And that's with a Kanye West album bomb.
Over on Radio Songs, there are 8 songs at 20 weeks or older: "Truth Hurts," "I Don't Care," "Sucker," "Talk," "Dancing with a Stranger," "bad guy," "You Need to Calm Down," and "Suge." Three of these songs are also listed above.
It's not just radio.
Hell, even on Digital Songs you've got "Truth Hurts," "Someone You Loved," "Thriller" (gets a pass, though), "Old Town Road," "The Git Up," "No Guidance," "You Say," and "Sunflower" all at 20 weeks or older. Literally the same amount as radio.
Does radio hold on to songs too long? Yup. But not anymore so than streaming and even digital does. Americans just love to hold on to songs forever no matter how they're consuming them.
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Post by korbel16 on Nov 6, 2019 3:24:33 GMT -5
I wonder what the first number 1 song of the new decade will be (weird if it’ll be All I Want For Christmas Is You...)
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Post by 𝓲𝓽'𝓼.𝓰𝓿 on Nov 6, 2019 6:04:54 GMT -5
Circles is Post Malone's sixth consecutive Top 3 hit, the only song he has that hit the Top 10 and not reach the Top 3 is Congratulations. As for non-official releases Take What You Want reached #8. But that's a pretty incredible feat. Still pretty weird for me that the lowest peaking single of Post (Congratulations) happened to bee my most favorite. The rest are really good (except for Psycho and a little bit on Better Now and Wow.)
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Post by shaz196 on Nov 6, 2019 7:44:35 GMT -5
Another song seemingly getting the Tiktok treatment, "Yellow Hearts" by Ant Saunders has been rising on AM steadily in the last few days and is currently at #38.
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Post by Mayman on Nov 6, 2019 8:37:51 GMT -5
Circles is Post Malone's sixth consecutive Top 3 hit, the only song he has that hit the Top 10 and not reach the Top 3 is Congratulations. As for non-official releases Take What You Want reached #8. But that's a pretty incredible feat. Technically this is not true. If we're counting all radio singles, both "Ball For Me" and "Enemies" peaked at #16, "Allergic" peaked at #37, and like you said, the new pop and active single "Take What You Want" peaked at #8. But yeah all of his pop singles since Psycho (not including TWYW) have peaked in the top 3 which is really impressive.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Nov 6, 2019 9:37:27 GMT -5
So Roxanne's definetely debuting this week but isn't within the Top 20 or Top 25 a bit of a stretch? I know it's a streaming monster but it has no radio yet and does it have the sales to crack the Top 25 already?
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Post by Enigma. on Nov 6, 2019 9:43:19 GMT -5
It's top ten on Spotify and AM, hardly a "streaming monster"
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Nov 6, 2019 9:56:12 GMT -5
Streaming Songs has 11 songs at 20 weeks or older: "Ransom," "Old Town Road," "No Guidance," "bad guy," "Sunflower," "Truth Hurts," "Baby Shark," "Money in the Grave," "Suge," "Lucid Dreams," and "Without Me." And that's with a Kanye West album bomb. Over on Radio Songs, there are 8 songs at 20 weeks or older: "Truth Hurts," "I Don't Care," "Sucker," "Talk," "Dancing with a Stranger," "bad guy," "You Need to Calm Down," and "Suge." Three of these songs are also listed above. It's not just radio. Hell, even on Digital Songs you've got "Truth Hurts," "Someone You Loved," "Thriller" (gets a pass, though), "Old Town Road," "The Git Up," "No Guidance," "You Say," and "Sunflower" all at 20 weeks or older. Literally the same amount as radio. Does radio hold on to songs too long? Yup. But not anymore so than streaming and even digital does. Americans just love to hold on to songs forever no matter how they're consuming them. Streaming Songs numbers would be even higher if not for the Kanye album bomb and since it and Digital Songs have no recurrent rules preventing older songs from charting.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Nov 6, 2019 10:11:41 GMT -5
kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2019/11/06
1(=) Lizzo - Truth Hurts 132.00(-2.16) 2(=) Lewis Capaldi - Someone You Loved 131.47(-0.33) 3(=) Shawn Mendes & Camila Cabello - Señorita 126.88(-1.08) 4(=)Post Malone - Circles 109.62(+1.20) 5(=) Jonas Brothers - Only Human 99.74(-0.25) 6(=) Ed Sheeran & Justin Bieber - I Don't Care 96.44(-0.60) 7(=) Ed Sheeran - Beautiful People (feat. Khalid) 95.26(+0.56) 8(=) Lizzo - Good as Hell 92.18(+1.71) 9(=) SHAED - Trampoline 89.40(+0.44) 10(=) Chris Brown - No Guidance (feat. Drake) 86.81(-0.15)
13(=) Maroon 5 - Memories 71.27(+1.11) 14(=) Dan + Shay & Justin Bieber - 10,000 Hours 67.57(+0.72)
18(=) Wale - On Chill (feat. Jeremih) 60.24(+0.96)
20(+1) Brantley Gilbert & Lindsay Ell - What Happens in a Small Town 55.85(+0.90)
41(+5) Selena Gomez - Lose You to Love Me 35.71(+2.38)
-(-) Tones and I - Dance Monkey 14.97(+0.75) -(-) Luke Bryan - What She Wants Tonight 13.79(+1.00) -(-) Dua Lipa - Don't Start Now 9.73(+1.34)
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