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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 15:01:46 GMT -5
oh yay the one hit wonder argument again  I may have skipped the last page and a half, ngl. Someone called mj a one hit wonder once, ‘he’s best known for billie jean and that’s it’, so i’m pretty sure the term is terribly loosely used Yeah, because Thriller, Beat It, Don't Stop Til You Get Enough, Rock With You, Man In The Mirror, Bad and Black or White have had no cultural staying power. If there is someone who should NOT be called a One-Hit Wonder, it's Michael Jackson. |
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Post by fernando4 on Nov 22, 2019 15:27:56 GMT -5
Who the f is Trevor Daniel? I've actually been listening to his stuff for a few months now. His song "Falling" just took over TikTok earlier this month. Also, if you're a fan of JUICE WRLD, I recommend his song "Mess" |
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Post by dynamac on Nov 22, 2019 16:20:42 GMT -5
oh yay the one hit wonder argument again I may have skipped the last page and a half, ngl. Someone called mj a one hit wonder once, ‘he’s best known for billie jean and that’s it’, so i’m pretty sure the term is terribly loosely used The sooner people realize the difference between a signature song and a one hit wonder the better |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 16:45:56 GMT -5
Now that you speak on it, is there a list somewhere of artists with the most year-end entries? is pretty comprehensive all the way to 2018 If there is a God out there, it’s the blessed soul who took their time and immense dedication to make this list. And you, golfradio, has been sent to deliver the message to us (my apologies for this incredibly wonky religious analogy, but this list is seriously a blessing) 🙏 |
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Post by Choco on Nov 22, 2019 17:04:26 GMT -5
Someone called mj a one hit wonder once, ‘he’s best known for billie jean and that’s it’, so i’m pretty sure the term is terribly loosely used The sooner people realize the difference between a signature song and a one hit wonder the better The signature song argunent is tricky too. For my money, MJ's is "Thriller", even if other songs were arguably bigger chart hits. |
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Nov 22, 2019 17:20:45 GMT -5
Re: MJ as OHW - during the discussion, it was noted that its ‘perception,’ not reality that guides.
Clearly this is one of the most extreme cases imaginable, but, like other legacy artists, the current generation maybe only hears one or two hits from these artists. Segregated radio and streaming lessens the odds of stumbling on a broad catalog. If you only listen to EDM, Country playlists or stations, why would you hear MJ?
For a whole slew of people, Olivia Newton-John is only defined by ‘Grease.’
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 17:20:57 GMT -5
this list is pretty comprehensive all the way to 2018 So, I guess I can add the 2019 Year-End ones once they are available and produce something to share right here! It’s noteworthy to mention that, before this year, Panic! At The Disco only had a single Year End entry to their name (“I Write Sins Not Tragedies”), which would technically make them one-hit wonders if we don’t consider the Hot Rock Year End Charts. I’m so glad this has changed this year (with a whooping three new entries for Brendon), but it’s still rather sad they never had any real hits in between, especially since there are so many genuinely great songs in their discography. 2019 will also make three more artists lose their ‘one-hit wonder’ status in the mainstream charts - Billy Ray Cyrus, the Jonas Brothers, and Snow (albeit through a sample of his only hit). I wonder if any other chart year was as interesting in that regard. |
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Post by Sambalada on Nov 22, 2019 17:24:55 GMT -5
Now that you speak on it, is there a list somewhere of artists with the most year-end entries? is pretty comprehensive all the way to 2018 Is this the document that I made? |
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Post by nathanalbright on Nov 22, 2019 17:29:18 GMT -5
So, I guess I can add the 2019 Year-End ones once they are available and produce something to share right here! It’s noteworthy to mention that, before this year, Panic! At The Disco only had a single Year End entry to their name (“I Write Sins Not Tragedies”), which would technically make them one-hit wonders if we don’t consider the Hot Rock Year End Charts. I’m so glad this has changed this year (with a whooping three new entries for Brendon), but it’s still rather sad they never had any real hits in between, especially since there are so many genuinely great songs in their discography. 2019 will also make three more artists lose their ‘one-hit wonder’ status in the mainstream charts - Billy Ray Cyrus, the Jonas Brothers, and Snow (albeit through a sample of his only hit). I wonder if any other chart year was as interesting in that regard. 1993 gave Kenny G, Go West, Ugly Kid Joe, and Inner Circle their second YE chart hits, for example. Also, P.M. Dawn got their second and third YE hits this year as well. Admittedly, though Inner Circle's situation was like Lil Nas X where their first YE hit and signature song "Bad Boys" (the Cops theme) came out the same year. |
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Post by nathanalbright on Nov 22, 2019 19:51:16 GMT -5
Changing chart methodology definitely is a mess. This is a pretty historic chart, though, to be sure.
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Post by chanman on Nov 22, 2019 20:01:17 GMT -5
I remembered that particular chart. Music was full of variety that much I enjoyed.
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Post by nathanalbright on Nov 22, 2019 20:07:38 GMT -5
One thing that seemed so weird to me was, for example, "The Way I Feel About You" by Karyn White. It had yet to chart on the published charts or the test charts, and it appears at #84 this week... but it's not an official new entry. I suppose because it was "eligible" before this week? It just seems so nonsensical, at least compared to typical chart decisions. To me, each week is what it is, there shouldn't be fake previous weeks to help smooth the transition. Just explain the transition and let the results speak for themselves. The same situation holds for Word To The Bad!! by Jermaine Jackson and I Want You by Jody Watley. Neither of them show additional weeks in either the weeks shown on the chart or the test charts that had been going on for the two previous weeks. Yet neither of them are considered debuts either, bafflingly. |
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Post by velaxti on Nov 22, 2019 20:19:05 GMT -5
Top 3 debut for Billie Eillish? Late last year she barely charted now she's a hit maker shaping the sound of the 2020s, wow Didn't she have like 5 old un-promoted songs charting in the bottom half of the Hot 100 this time last year? I remember saying that it was a strong sign she was going to blow up. It's similar to what happened with Macklemore, Adele, Post Malone, etc. |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Nov 22, 2019 20:37:32 GMT -5
So there's this new song by a Trevor Daniel? Is this another TikTok song? I tried looking it up on YouTube and there weren't that many results for it so I thought it was just getting a lot of streams thanks to playlist placement
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Post by imbondz on Nov 22, 2019 20:41:59 GMT -5
The sooner people realize the difference between a signature song and a one hit wonder the better The signature song argunent is tricky too. For my money, MJ's is "Thriller", even if other songs were arguably bigger chart hits. One could make the case for Billy Jean, Thriller and Man in the Mirror. |
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Post by jebsib on Nov 22, 2019 21:31:04 GMT -5
LOL! That Nov 30, 1991 chart was a hot effing mess.
The tendency to show previous weeks from test charts and not the official published chart is so confusing and stupid
(They did it again in 1998).
It is of course meant to show insight into the new chart behavior patterns, but it just is so unnecessary.
I totally forgot about Karyn White and Jermaine Jackson debuting on the chart (and test chart) - but not being labeled a debut.
Classic.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Nov 22, 2019 21:58:21 GMT -5
Top 3 debut for Billie Eillish? Late last year she barely charted now she's a hit maker shaping the sound of the 2020s, wow Didn't she have like 5 old un-promoted songs charting in the bottom half of the Hot 100 this time last year? I remember saying that it was a strong sign she was going to blow up. It's similar to what happened with Macklemore, Adele, Post Malone, etc. Those were songs from her EP, the songs that made her get a fanbase and get noticed in the first place. |
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Post by somelikeitwhen on Nov 22, 2019 22:04:40 GMT -5
They kept the small market stations until around 2005 when they introduced downloads, but the panel was drastically downsized around the chart change in 1998. Honestly I don't think it was label control, playlists in smaller markets were way more varied back then (since Clear Channel didn't own everything yet) plus BDS only covered the top 200 or such markets. I don't think they did the "PPW" thing of reporting all spins for the week so you've got me on the inaccuracy thing, we really needed a small market monitor back then.
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Post by nathanalbright on Nov 23, 2019 1:55:51 GMT -5
So there's this new song by a Trevor Daniel? Is this another TikTok song? I tried looking it up on YouTube and there weren't that many results for it so I thought it was just getting a lot of streams thanks to playlist placement According to his pr people he wants to gain chart success the "old fashioned" way so a Tiktok craze and playlist placement it would appear to be. |
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Post by jebsib on Nov 23, 2019 9:08:56 GMT -5
Bill - Two peak typos -
Curtis Stagers had peaked at #9 by the time of this chart;
Van Halen had peaked at #27;
Can't see anything else, but trust me, that week I GET why it's easy to overlook!
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Nov 23, 2019 10:12:56 GMT -5
Circles managed to get to #1 in Pandora.
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Post by Enigma. on Nov 23, 2019 10:42:13 GMT -5
Spotify, Week ending 11/21/2019
1 everything i wanted by Billie Eilish 11,794,982
2 ROXANNE by Arizona Zervas 11,628,793
3 Circles by Post Malone 8,614,588
4 HIGHEST IN THE ROOM by Travis Scott 7,932,251
5 Bandit (with YoungBoy Never Broke Again) by Juice WRLD 6,850,655
6 Lose You To Love Me by Selena Gomez 6,505,652
7 Someone You Loved by Lewis Capaldi 5,943,398
8 hot girl bummer by blackbear 5,855,345
9 Memories by Maroon 5 5,839,365
10 Watermelon Sugar by Harry Styles 5,465,192
"Hot" is #5 combined.
SYL week-on-week: -115,304
Circles week-on-week: +41,964
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Post by imbondz on Nov 23, 2019 16:55:36 GMT -5
Is circles a guaranteed #1?
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Post by rimetm on Nov 23, 2019 20:10:02 GMT -5
 This race just insists on remaining maddeningly close... At this point, the factors are: -HITS possibly underestimating Circles' ODS as usual -Someone You Loved's YouTube numbers going down instead of up like last week. -Circles getting a healthy bump within these next 2 days on radio. |
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Post by gs on Nov 23, 2019 20:24:23 GMT -5
This race just insists on remaining maddeningly close... At this point, the factors are: -HITS possibly underestimating Circles' ODS as usual -Someone You Loved's YouTube numbers going down instead of up like last week. -Circles getting a healthy bump within these next 2 days on radio. I think you have Passive overestimated for Someone You Loved and underestimated for Circles, as Someone You Loved has tanked on Pandora this week and Circles is over 3,000,000 spins on the platform. My current predictions are: Circles 28,000 (Sales 12,500; Paid 16,300,000; Free 3,500,000; Passive 3,200,000; Radio 91,000,000) Someone You Loved 27,200 (Sales 10,000; Paid 13,100,000; Free 7,400,000; Passive 2,800,000; Radio 92,000,000) |
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Post by tuna on Nov 24, 2019 1:28:12 GMT -5
How's Lover doing?
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Post by Enigma. on Nov 24, 2019 3:17:40 GMT -5
Even though the points are low, I think it's very exciting to see a race like this when all the tiny nuances are defining factors.
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Post by gs on Nov 24, 2019 9:53:46 GMT -5
Early predictions  Final predictions  The HDD chart for "everything i wanted" seems kinda low given its Spotify streams, so I feel like top 10 is very possible if it's quite off in that regard. But I don't have any proper data, so this will have to do. |
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Post by Leo ✔ on Nov 24, 2019 11:45:07 GMT -5
Is really close.
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Post by lurker2 on Nov 24, 2019 11:51:52 GMT -5
What did Post Malone do to make all his Number Ones be so close lol.
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