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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Dec 27, 2019 21:52:06 GMT -5
Even if OTR falls off, isn’t it likely that it will re-enter in Top 25 with all the year-end countdowns? I assume there’s no Billboard rule preventing that. I expect a solid boost on streaming, radio and even sales for the tracking week that started today.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Dec 27, 2019 22:10:49 GMT -5
^Regarding OTR's radio airplay, it isn't even listed in kworb's daily updates. I don't think it will have much of a rebound there, if any. I'll keep an eye for it, though.
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Post by tanooki on Dec 28, 2019 0:50:42 GMT -5
It's not looking good for OTR so far. I have it going recurrent as of now. YouTube is the only thing that can save it
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Post by weirdo on Dec 28, 2019 1:00:31 GMT -5
It's not looking good for OTR so far. I have it going recurrent as of now. YouTube is the only thing that can save it How far do you have it from top 50? |
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Post by tanooki on Dec 28, 2019 1:02:31 GMT -5
It's not looking good for OTR so far. I have it going recurrent as of now. YouTube is the only thing that can save it How far do you have it from top 50? would be #51 without recurrent rules lol |
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Post by weirdo on Dec 28, 2019 1:05:56 GMT -5
How far do you have it from top 50? would be #51 without recurrent rules lol Old Town Road PLEASE hold on at #50. If RITMO is the one to hit #50 and not a record-breaking superhit i will be very mad |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Dec 28, 2019 6:07:13 GMT -5
Circles will go back to number one, then Yummy then ROXANNE
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Post by Push The Button on Dec 28, 2019 8:07:56 GMT -5
Billboard please fix this, all of the top 10 is just Christmas songs.. Why does it need fixing? I’m glad that they’ve done away with those antiquated recurrent rules. |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Dec 28, 2019 9:41:09 GMT -5
It's not looking good for OTR so far. I have it going recurrent as of now. YouTube is the only thing that can save it Yeah. The meme seems to have a fair amount of views over the tracking week. It will probably return to the top 5 on the US YT weekly chart.. |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Dec 28, 2019 10:00:44 GMT -5
kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2019/12/28
1(=) Post Malone - Circles 129.31(+0.67)
2(=) Lizzo - Good as Hell 126.65(+0.27)
3(=) Maroon 5 - Memories 116.14(+1.66)
4(=) Dan + Shay & Justin Bieber - 10,000 Hours 106.76(+1.90)
5(=) Selena Gomez - Lose You to Love Me 104.75(+0.72)
6(=) Lewis Capaldi - Someone You Loved 103.59(+1.98)
7(=) SHAED - Trampoline 82.12(+0.48)
8(=) Jonas Brothers - Only Human 75.84(+0.60)
9(=) Chris Brown - No Guidance (feat. Drake) 73.65(+0.15)
10(=) Lizzo - Truth Hurts 65.91(+0.29)
11(=) Shawn Mendes & Camila Cabello - Señorita 63.86(+1.10) 26(+1) Halsey - Graveyard 47.75(+0.73)
31(=) Lady Antebellum - What If I Never Get Over You 44.63(+0.77)
33(=) Jon Pardi - Heartache Medication 43.83(+0.76)
39(=) DaBaby - BOP 35.16(+1.05)
46(+1) Sam Hunt - Kinfolks 31.53(+1.05) 50(+2) Kane Brown - Homesick 28.44(+0.70)
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Post by kierz7 on Dec 28, 2019 12:21:54 GMT -5
Oh...
So Xmas songs completely occupying the majority of the top ten ten is “wonderful”, but when Drake occupied the majority of the top ten during a casual charting week it was a constant B*TCHFEST.
Interesting. 🤔 🤔 🤔
(And no, I’m not solely referring to Pulse).
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Post by chanman on Dec 28, 2019 12:26:37 GMT -5
At least the Christmas Songs were by different artists, who all got a chance to make top 10.
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Post by korbel16 on Dec 28, 2019 12:35:03 GMT -5
I just will never understand how Santa tell me never re-enters but other Christmas songs with lower streams always do..
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Post by billboardtopten on Dec 28, 2019 12:36:38 GMT -5
Oh... So Xmas songs completely occupying the majority of the top ten ten is “wonderful”, but when Drake occupied the majority of the top ten during a casual charting week it was a constant B*TCHFEST. Interesting. 🤔 🤔 🤔 (And no, I’m not solely referring to Pulse). having one person occupy most of the top ten versus having a different variety of christmas songs by different artists hitting it are two completely things imo |
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Post by jodakyellow on Dec 28, 2019 12:38:15 GMT -5
At least the Christmas Songs were by different artists, who all got a chance to make top 10. And they “feel” more “legitimate” because they rise over the course of several weeks. They’re equally legitimate, but, for me anyway, the instinct to bitch about a Drake takeover comes from the way it just flashes in the pan |
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Post by lurker2 on Dec 28, 2019 12:42:54 GMT -5
I just will never understand how Santa tell me never re-enters but other Christmas songs with lower streams always do.. The Christmas Establishment at Amazon is keeping our 21st century faves down. /s |
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Post by kierz7 on Dec 28, 2019 12:55:45 GMT -5
Oh... So Xmas songs completely occupying the majority of the top ten ten is “wonderful”, but when Drake occupied the majority of the top ten during a casual charting week it was a constant B*TCHFEST. Interesting. 🤔 🤔 🤔 (And no, I’m not solely referring to Pulse). having one person occupy most of the top ten versus having a different variety of christmas songs by different artists hitting it are two completely things imo I agree. However, I see this weeks predictions on Twitter and the vast majority of the comments are basically praising this and say things along the line of: “Streaming is finally getting it right... Real classics are taking over” AND/OR “I’m glad real classics are slaying and not these random Hip-Hop album bomb songs that disappear next week aka. Drake” etc. 💀 Like... |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 28, 2019 12:59:51 GMT -5
Yes. Spotify isn't the only streaming outlet, korbel. We will see if it re-enters on this chart.
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Post by moonlite on Dec 28, 2019 13:06:17 GMT -5
At least the Scorpion tracks were truly being consumed by the public and not getting nearly half their points from manufactured Amazon streams
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Post by chanman on Dec 28, 2019 13:28:23 GMT -5
At least the Scorpion tracks were truly being consumed by the public and not getting nearly half their points from manufactured Amazon streams Different outlets show different consumer appeal....Amazon, Pandora, iTunes, Spotify, Apple, TIDAL etc. I personally like Amazon. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2019 15:08:44 GMT -5
If you compare the current chart week (12/28/19) to its comparable chart week last year (12/29/18), there are actually slightly less Christmas songs charting right now - 14 vs. 16. There is one 'new' entry, but three of the songs from this time last year aren't charting yet. Of those that have appeared so far, six of them are charting lower than they were at the same time last year. Furthermore, the 1/5/19 chart had 21 Christmas songs on it, and tanooki's prediction for 1/4/20 only has 19. Frank Sinatra's Jingle Bells, Elvis' Blue Christmas, John Lennon's Happy Xmas (War Is Over), and Perry Como's (There's No Place Like) Home For The Holidays are apparently not going to make it this time and only two other entries are showing up to fill the gap. I'd keep an eye out for those four potentially showing up in the end, but overall it doesn't seem like Christmas music is really "taking over" the way people claim. There's a small number of staples (barely a third of the top 50 chart space) that will rechart for a few weeks every year and then five to six others that will join them in the last week. We haven't yet reached the point where the holidays take up more than half of the top 50, and even if we did they aren't so strong that they would outpeak a bona fide smash (see 2018, TUN/Without You). Putting aside chart peaks, in terms of genuine 'classic' status there are only two Christmas songs making consistent, noticeable gains. Last Christmas is (hopefully) moving up into the top 10 and Underneath The Tree is the sole 21st century entry making a repeat appearance, which IMO is very impressive considering how long it usually takes for a holiday tune to become a 'classic.' Jonas Brothers showing up with Like It's Christmas is also quite notable, but theirs is a new release, so let's see if they're able to duplicate that success in subsequent years. The Christmas Song and Rudolph The Red Nosed Reindeer OTOH are losing quite a bit of ground. I'm not too surprised about Rudolph, but Nat is rather shocking. I would have expected his to be the next song to enter the top 10 - he peaked at #11 last year - but he's about to entirely miss the top 20 this time. Ariana and Biebs need to start pushing Santa Tell Me/Mistletoe to the AC format and Amazon. They have the potential to become their generation's seasonal classics, but sleigh-ing it on Spotify alone is not going to do the job. |
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Post by Mayman on Dec 28, 2019 15:28:39 GMT -5
At least the Scorpion tracks were truly being consumed by the public and not getting nearly half their points from manufactured Amazon streams What? People streaming Christmas music on Amazon is now considered "manufactured"? The stuff you guys come up with... |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 28, 2019 15:42:20 GMT -5
Yeah, I wouldn't say "manufactured." Granted, a good amount of holiday streaming may come as a result of auto-generated streams, whether from playlists or Alexa command- meaning, the listener may not necessarily choose specific songs. But, it's not much different than radio. A listener may leave one station on and listen to all that the station plays.
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Post by moonlite on Dec 28, 2019 16:18:25 GMT -5
At least the Scorpion tracks were truly being consumed by the public and not getting nearly half their points from manufactured Amazon streams What? People streaming Christmas music on Amazon is now considered "manufactured"? The stuff you guys come up with... Manufactured may have been a strong word, but my points the same. It makes no sense to me for people to complain about a top 10 where most of the songs points come from people actually selecting and streaming a song.... but love when these Christmas songs are clogging up the charts from playlist shuffle and Alexa streams where they have the song running in the background and mindlessly. |
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Post by Mayman on Dec 28, 2019 16:31:37 GMT -5
I personally don't have any problem with album bombs, christmas, etc. If it's what people are listening to then it's fine with me.
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Post by Au$tin on Dec 28, 2019 16:36:52 GMT -5
We seem to be forgetting streaming playlists and Pandora exist as well, creating these "manufactured" streams for normal songs too.
It's kind of a massive deal in the industry right now: playlist placement.
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Post by tanooki on Dec 28, 2019 16:45:56 GMT -5
Unless YouTube updates, here are my final predictions  {Christmas Songs}1 All I Want For Christmas Is You 59,449
2 Rockin Around the Christmas Tree 49,237
3 Jingle Bell Rock 43,590
4 A Holly Jolly Christmas 39,025
5 It's the Most Wonderful Time of the Year 28,448
7 Last Christmas 25,806
9 Feliz Navidad 24,668
14 The Christmas Song (Merry Christmas To You) 22,020
15 Let It Snow, Let It Snow, Let It Snow 21,965
20 Sleigh Ride 20,730
22 Like It's Christmas 19,537
23 Christmas (Baby Please Come Home) 19,252
24 It's Beginning to Look A Lot Like Christmas 19,035
25 Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer 18,398
27 Happy Holiday/The Holiday Season 17,962
29 Here Comes Santa Claus 17,117
31 Blue Christmas 16,508
32 Underneath the Tree 16,009
36 White Christmas 15,373
39 Run Rudolph Run 14,759
40 Cozy Little Christmas 14,487
42 Jingle Bells 14,408
45 Deck the Hall 14,303
53 Happy Xmas (War Is Over) (John Legend) 11,775
REC Baby It's Cold Outside 13,425
REC Little Saint Nick 13,223
REC You're a Mean One, Mr. Grinch 12,105
REC Wonderful Christmastime 11,915
REC Santa Tell Me 11,736
REC Happy Xmas (War Is Over) 9,594 Going recurrent: Only Human, Old Town Road, Lucid Reams, One Man Band |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2019 17:45:56 GMT -5
^So we're looking at 23 songs instead of 19 (24 if you count John Legend charting just beneath the top 50 for the first time). And The Christmas Song won't take nearly as big a hit as I thought. Still a bit disappointing that it's underpeaking by a few spots, though.
- Jingle Bells and Blue Christmas are indeed going to be in this year. But Happy Xmas is out - I guess Legend's cover taking some listens away is the reason the original might miss - as is Home For The Holidays.
- Baby, it's cold outside of that top 50! lol. I hate that song and I'm glad it's going to miss the chart. Such an overrated controversy.
- Four 'new' top 50 entries this year: JoBros' Like It's Christmas, Andy Williams' Happy Holiday/The Holiday Season, Katy's Cozy Little Christmas, and (what I presume is Nat King Cole's version of) Deck The Halls.
- Happy Holiday/The Holiday Season is the one song on here that I think would give credence to 'manufactured' Amazon streams; I swear I have no idea where this came from, let alone why it's charting that high, and can only assume someone added it to one or more of Amazon's more popular lists. Lowkey Cozy Little Christmas might be indicative of that too because it didn't do a lot of damage on Spotify, but the fact that it is showing up at all may bode well for it in the long run.
- I am admittedly sad to see OTR go and there's a part of me still crossing fingers that it's able to muster a few more points to hang on. But needless to say, it had a great run regardless.
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Post by korbel16 on Dec 28, 2019 17:50:04 GMT -5
I personally don't have any problem with album bombs, christmas, etc. If it's what people are listening to then it's fine with me. yeah same here. I think people just have a problem with it because songs might go recurrent. which sucks because you can’t just exclude songs on the chart if they’re below #50 or below #25 because they’re “old” obviously they’re still relevant and popular enough to be on the chart for that long still but hey i mean we could have it worse🤷🏽♀️like how the uk has that ACR rule |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2019 18:34:58 GMT -5
Damn does amazon music just hate Ariana
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