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Post by Choco on Dec 28, 2019 19:21:10 GMT -5
OTR hanging on at #40ish for another month doesn't change the narrative for it much.
I'm excited to see a few new tracks enter. Between hits going recurrent and the Xmas songs dying it's gonna be an interesting chart.
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Post by οΌ³ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½π€ο½ο½ on Dec 28, 2019 19:22:41 GMT -5
would be #51 without recurrent rules lol Old Town Road PLEASE hold on at #50. If RITMO is the one to hit #50 and not a record-breaking superhit i will be very mad OTR was #1 for 19 weeks, it's time for other songs to shine.
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Post by insen_13 on Dec 28, 2019 20:03:04 GMT -5
Old Town Road PLEASE hold on at #50. If RITMO is the one to hit #50 and not a record-breaking superhit i will be very mad OTR was #1 for 19 weeks, it's time for other songs to shine. I agree. It's dominance in 2019, I think, will never be forgotten though.
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Post by renfield75 on Dec 28, 2019 20:21:50 GMT -5
OTR was #1 for 19 weeks, it's time for other songs to shine. I agree. It's dominance in 2019, I think, will never be forgotten though. 2019 really was the year of 19...OTR got 19 record-breaking weeks at number one and Mariah got her 19th #1 single.
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Post by tanooki on Dec 29, 2019 0:43:19 GMT -5
now that YouTube is out, final predictions
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Post by Enigma. on Dec 29, 2019 3:24:45 GMT -5
About time to get rid of Only Human (it was airplay-only hit anyway), Ransom and OTR to some extent although that can still return.
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Post by οΌ³ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½π€ο½ο½ on Dec 29, 2019 8:09:05 GMT -5
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 29, 2019 8:34:55 GMT -5
I just will never understand how Santa tell me never re-enters but other Christmas songs with lower streams always do.. Do they have lower streams overall, or just on Spotify? Regardless, does this mean you don't look at airplay or sales stats?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 10:09:17 GMT -5
now that YouTube is out, final predictions I think One Man Band will be on its 18th week during the Christmas onslaught so I don't think it will go recurrent. Apart from that, great job! :)
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Post by kimberly on Dec 29, 2019 10:09:28 GMT -5
now that YouTube is out, final predictions the top 5 shutdown is impressive but I'm more shocked that Cozy Little Christmas might re-enter when Santa Tell Me has been on the edge forever.. thanks, Tanooki!
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Dec 29, 2019 10:11:05 GMT -5
As expected, All I Want for Christmas is You managed to be #1 in US YouTube. Old Town Road managed to rebound to #3, The Box and Suicidal entered at #8 and #9, respectively.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Dec 29, 2019 10:26:34 GMT -5
Lots of Recurrents songs gained in radio.
kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2019/12/29
1(=) Post Malone - Circles 129.74(+0.44) 2(=) Lizzo - Good as Hell 127.25(+0.60) 3(=) Maroon 5 - Memories 116.77 +0.63 4 116.77 1 30 75 4 4(=) Dan + Shay & Justin Bieber - 10,000 Hours 107.68(+0.92) 5(+1) Lewis Capaldi - Someone You Loved 105.29(+1.71) 6(-1) Selena Gomez - Lose You to Love Me 105.17(+0.42) 7(=) SHAED - Trampoline 82.39(+0.27) 8(=) Jonas Brothers - Only Human 76.31(+0.47) 9(=) Chris Brown - No Guidance (feat. Drake) 73.66(+0.01) 10(=) Lizzo - Truth Hurts 65.36(-0.55)
11(=) Shawn Mendes & Camila Cabello - SeΓ±orita 65.36(+1.50)
22(-2) Maren Morris - The Bones 51.53(+1.07)
30(+1) Lady Antebellum - What If I Never Get Over You 45.23(+0.60)
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Post by Az Paynter on Dec 29, 2019 10:33:11 GMT -5
Keeping in mind that some of the big audience boosts for older songs are related to AC bouncing back from Christmas mode; they spend the week directly following Christmas to return to their regular programming, so that 7 days of audience impressions can stack up.
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Post by reputainbow on Dec 29, 2019 11:11:58 GMT -5
7 christmas songs in the top 10 is insane. the fallout afterwards is going to be crazy too. two of the most exciting weeks of the year imo.
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Post by Soulsista on Dec 29, 2019 11:30:38 GMT -5
Billboard Top 10 from 60, 55, 50, 45, and 40 years ago:
December 28, 1959 (For the week ending January 2, 1960)
01 02 Why - Frankie Avalon (1st and only week at #1) 02 03 El Paso - Marty Robbins 03 04 The Big Hurt - Miss Toni Fisher 04 06 It's Time To Cry - Paul Anka 05 05 Way Down Yonder In New Orleans - Freddy Cannon 06 01 Heartaches By The Number - Guy Mitchell 07 09 Among My Souvenirs - Connie Francis 08 07 Mack The Knife - Bobby Darin 09 10 Hound Dog Man - Fabian 10 19 Pretty Blue Eyes - Steve Lawrence
15 47 The Little Drummer Boy - The Harry Simeone Chorale
January 2, 1965
01 01 I Feel Fine - The Beatles (2nd of 3 weeks at #1) 02 02 Come See About Me - The Supremes 03 03 Mr. Lonely - Bobby Vinton 04 04 She's a Woman - The Beatles 05 11 Love Potion No. 9 - The Searchers 06 06 Goin' Out Of My Head - Little Anthony & The Imperials 07 05 She's Not There - The Zombies 08 12 Amen - The Impressions 09 09 The Jerk - The Larks 10 14 The Wedding - Julie Rodgers
12 41 Downtown - Petula Clark 14 34 You've Lost That Lovin' Feeling - The Righteous Brothers
January 3, 1970
01 03 Raindrops Keep Fallin' On My Head - B.J. Thomas (1st of 4 weeks at #1) 02 02 Leaving On a Jet Plane - Peter, Paul & Mary 03 01 Someday We'll Be Together - Diana Ross & The Supremes 04 05 Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye - Steam 05 04 Down On The Corner / Fortunate Son - Creedence Clearwater Revival 06 09 Whole Lotta Love - Led Zeppelin 07 08 I Want You Back - The Jackson 5 08 19 Venus - Shocking Blue 09 06 Holly Holy - Neil Diamond 10 14 La La La - Bobby Sherman
January 4, 1975
01 02 Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds - Elton John (1st of 2 weeks at #1) 02 03 You're The First, The Last, My Everything - Barry White 03 04 Kung Fu Fighting - Carl Douglas 04 06 Junior's Farm - Paul McCartney & Wings 05 08 Laughter In The Rain - Neil Sedaka 06 01 Angie Baby - Helen Reddy 07 09 Only You - Ringo Starr 08 10 Boogie On Reggae Woman - Stevie Wonder 09 11 Please Mr. Postman - The Carpenters 10 12 Mandy - Barry Manilow
January 5, 1980
01 02 Please Don't Go - K.C. & The Sunshine Band (1st and only week at #1) 02 01 Escape (The Pina Colada Song) - Rupert Holmes 03 11 Rock With You - Michael Jackson 04 04 Send One Your Love - Stevie Wonder 05 06 Do That To Me One More Time - The Captain & Tennille 06 03 Babe - Styx 07 05 Still - The Commodores 08 22 Coward Of The County - Kenny Rogers 09 09 Ladies Night - Kool & The Gang 10 13 We Don't Talk Anymore - Cliff Richard
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Post by Soulsista on Dec 29, 2019 11:49:39 GMT -5
Billboard Top 10 from 35, 30, 25, and 20 years ago:
January 5, 1985
01 01 Like a Virgin - Madonna (3rd of 6 weeks at #1) 02 02 Wild Boys - Duran Duran 03 04 Sea Of Love - The Honeydrippers 04 05 Cool It Now - New Edition 05 06 We Belong - Pat Benatar 06 09 All I Need - Jack Wagner 07 03 Out Of Touch - Daryl Hall & John Oates 08 12 Run To You - Bryan Adams 09 15 You're The Inspiration - Chicago 10 10 Valotte - Julian Lennon
20 65 Do They Know It's Christmas? - Band Aid
January 6, 1990
01 01 Another Day In Paradise - Phil Collins (3rd of 4 weeks at #1) 02 04 Rhythm Nation - Janet Jackson 03 02 Don't Know Much - Linda Ronstadt & Aaron Neville 04 07 Pump Up The Jam - Technotronic 05 05 With Every Beat Of My Heart - Taylor Dayne 06 11 How Am I Supposed To Live Without You - Michael Bolton 07 09 This One's For The Children - New Kids On The Block 08 08 Just Like Jesse James - Cher 09 03 We Didn't Start The Fire - Billy Joel 10 12 Everything - Jody Watley
January 7, 1995
01 01 On Bended Knee - Boyz II Men (4th of 6 weeks at #1) 02 04 Creep - TLC 03 02 Here Comes The Hotstepper - Ini Kamoze 04 03 Another Night - Real McCoy 05 05 Always - Bon Jovi 06 06 I Wanna Be Down - Brandy 07 08 Before I Let You Go - Blackstreet 08 09 Tootsee Roll - 69 Boyz 09 07 I'll Make Love To You - Boyz II Men 10 11 You Want This / '70s Love Groove - Janet Jackson
January 1, 2000
01 01 Smooth - Santana feat. Rob Thomas (11th of 12 weeks at #1) 02 02 Back At One - Brian McKnight 03 03 I Wanna Love You Forever - Jessica Simpson 04 05 My Love Is Your Love - Whitney Houston 05 04 I Knew I Loved You - Savage Garden 06 06 I Need To Know - Marc Anthony 07 07 Hot Boyz - Missy Elliott feat. Lil' Mo, Nas, Eve & Q-Tip 08 08 U Know What's Up - Donell Jones 09 09 Bring It All To Me - Blaque 10 11 Girl On TV - LFO
18 47 The Christmas Song (Chestnuts Roasting On An Open Fire) - Christina Aguilera
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Dec 29, 2019 11:52:15 GMT -5
The other chart for this week I'd expect to be more than 50% holiday songs is Streaming Songs.
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Post by Soulsista on Dec 29, 2019 12:07:52 GMT -5
Billboard Top 10 Flashback:
January 1, 2005
01 02 Let Me Love You - Mario (1st of 9 weeks at #1) 02 01 Drop It Like It's Hot - Snoop Dogg feat. Pharrell 03 03 1, 2 Step - Ciara feat. Missy Elliott 04 07 Soldier - Destiny's Child feat. T.I. & Lil Wayne 05 06 Lovers And Friends - Lil Jon & The East Side Boyz feat. Usher & Ludacris 06 04 My Boo - Usher & Alicia Keys 07 05 Over & Over - Nelly feat. Tim McGraw 08 08 Wonderful - Ja Rule feat. R. Kelly & Ashanti 09 09 Lose My Breath - Destiny's Child 10 12 I Don't Want To Be - Gavin DeGraw
January 2, 2010
01 02 TiK ToK - Ke$ha (1st of 9 weeks at #1) 02 01 Empire State Of Mind - Jay-Z & Alicia Keys 03 03 Bad Romance - Lady Gaga 04 04 Replay - Iyaz 05 05 Fireflies - Owl City 06 06 Sexy Bitch - David Guetta feat. Akon 07 07 Whatcha Say - Jason Derulo 08 10 Down - Jay Sean feat. Lil Wayne 09 08 Meet Me Halfway - The Black Eyed Peas 10 09 3 - Britney Spears
January 3, 2015
01 01 Blank Space - Taylor Swift (6th of 7 weeks at #1) 02 02 Take Me To Church - Hozier 03 03 Uptown Funk! - Mark Ronson feat. Bruno Mars 04 06 Thinking Out Loud - Ed Sheeran 05 04 Lips Are Movin' - Meghan Trainor 06 05 I'm Not The Only One - Sam Smith 07 09 Love Me Harder - Ariana Grande & The Weeknd 08 11 Jealous - Nick Jonas 09 08 Animals - Maroon 5 10 07 All About That Bass - Meghan Trainor
14 NE Wasted Love - Matt McAndrew
January 5, 2019
01 01 thank u, next - Ariana Grande (7th and final week at #1) 02 02 Without Me - Halsey 03 07 All I Want For Christmas Is You - Mariah Carey 04 03 Sicko Mode - Travis Scott 05 04 Sunflower - Post Malone & Swae Lee 06 06 High Hopes - Panic! At The Disco 07 05 Happier - Marshmello & Bastille 08 13 Jingle Bell Rock - Bobby Helms 09 11 Rockin' Around The Christmas Tree - Brenda Lee 10 12 A Holly Jolly Christmas - Burl Ives
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Dec 29, 2019 12:44:18 GMT -5
I hope the entire top 5 is holiday songs - just to see you all seethe
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Post by bat1990 on Dec 29, 2019 12:47:11 GMT -5
*sighs* Madonna, Whitney, Janet, Celine, and Mariah all on the chart at the same time
Oh the 90s
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 13:42:48 GMT -5
I hope the entire top 5 is holiday songs - just to see you all seethe Fun coincidence: I was looking back at my 12 Rankdowns of Christmas thread from last year (/this year because I was a mess and didn't finish it until the end of January), and I realized that the top 6 songs in the 'Classic Christmas' rankdown also happen to be the top 6 Christmas songs that will presumably appear on the 1/4 chart (albeit in a different order). And if I had ranked by median first instead of average first, the top 7 songs in that rankdown would be the seven songs that are about to appear in the Hot 100 top 10. I know this wouldn't matter to most people here but I got a good laugh out of it. Of course these songs are about to take over the top 10. Pulse knows best after all!
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Post by tanooki on Dec 29, 2019 13:43:23 GMT -5
now that YouTube is out, final predictions I think One Man Band will be on its 18th week during the Christmas onslaught so I don't think it will go recurrent. Apart from that, great job! :) Yeah that was my mistake. Its 53 i think
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Post by bat1990 on Dec 29, 2019 14:27:50 GMT -5
I hope the entire top 5 is holiday songs - just to see you all seethe Fun coincidence: I was looking back at my 12 Rankdowns of Christmas thread from last year (/this year because I was a mess and didn't finish it until the end of January), and I realized that the top 6 songs in the 'Classic Christmas' rankdown also happen to be the top 6 Christmas songs that will presumably appear on the 1/4 chart (albeit in a different order). And if I had ranked by median first instead of average first, the top 7 songs in that rankdown would be the seven songs that are about to appear in the Hot 100 top 10. I know this wouldn't matter to most people here but I got a good laugh out of it. Of course these songs are about to take over the top 10. Pulse knows best after all! I feel like there's a statistical argument/extrapolation some where in there about Pulse being full of a diverse array of music listeners across the country and world and that can be generalized within 90-95% confidence to the part of the American public that drives the Billboard charts.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 14:50:45 GMT -5
I hope the entire top 5 is holiday songs - just to see you all seethe Then maybe they will adjust the rules for Holiday songs if this does happen
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Post by Lukas on Dec 29, 2019 15:40:41 GMT -5
Baesd off of Tanooki's predictions - we have a strong chart near the top this week!
I hope AIWFCIY can get to 60K this week. This would make it the third song from this past year to reach that mark (7 Rings peaked with 66K, OTR peaked with 100K). And with Circles being the highest charting non-Christmas song this week with less than 30K points, rules for holiday songs should absolutely not be changed. It would be ridiculous to create one that would diminish the power of the #1 song by more than half.
The top 3 this week is the strongest since the highly competitive era of spring/summer 2017. Nowhere since then has the #3 song have had such high points. (The last time the #3 song had such high points was That's What I Like when Despacito was early in its dominance).
Also, regarding Christmas songs "taking over" the charts, the amount of Christmas songs may not go up, but the number of chart points they are getting has. The projected top 4 all have gained 50%+ in points since just last year. With the same projected points this year last year during Christmas week TUN would be at #4 instead of #1. So near the top, Christmas songs are definitely taking over, but overall, not so much.
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Post by Abbaschand on Dec 29, 2019 16:24:28 GMT -5
January 2, 201001 02 TiK ToK - Ke$ha (1st of 9 weeks at #1)[br The beginning of something special, but yet also something destructive. This thing cause a butterfly effect on the pop genre history.
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Post by fhas on Dec 29, 2019 18:28:01 GMT -5
Baesd off of Tanooki's predictions - we have a strong chart near the top this week! I hope AIWFCIY can get to 60K this week. This would make it the third song from this past year to reach that mark (7 Rings peaked with 66K, OTR peaked with 100K). And with Circles being the highest charting non-Christmas song this week with less than 30K points, rules for holiday songs should absolutely not be changed. It would be ridiculous to create one that would diminish the power of the #1 song by more than half. The top 3 this week is the strongest since the highly competitive era of spring/summer 2017. Nowhere since then has the #3 song have had over 40,000 points. (The last time the #3 song had such high points was That's What I Like when Despacito was early in its dominance). Also, regarding Christmas songs "taking over" the charts, the amount of Christmas songs may not go up, but the number of chart points they are getting has. The projected top 4 all have gained 50%+ in points since just last year. With the same projected points this year last year during Christmas week TUN would be at #4 instead of #1. So near the top, Christmas songs are definitely taking over, but overall, not so much. In August 2018, FEFE peaked at #3 with 41k points (65M streams) and that same week GLY was #4 with 40k. Later that month, Sicko Mode debuted at #4 with 37k (its best week points wise). In January/February 2018, Finesse had two weeks at #3 with 43k points and Havana had a week at #4 with 40k.
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Post by Lukas on Dec 29, 2019 19:11:25 GMT -5
Baesd off of Tanooki's predictions - we have a strong chart near the top this week! I hope AIWFCIY can get to 60K this week. This would make it the third song from this past year to reach that mark (7 Rings peaked with 66K, OTR peaked with 100K). And with Circles being the highest charting non-Christmas song this week with less than 30K points, rules for holiday songs should absolutely not be changed. It would be ridiculous to create one that would diminish the power of the #1 song by more than half. The top 3 this week is the strongest since the highly competitive era of spring/summer 2017. Nowhere since then has the #3 song have had over 40,000 points. (The last time the #3 song had such high points was That's What I Like when Despacito was early in its dominance). Also, regarding Christmas songs "taking over" the charts, the amount of Christmas songs may not go up, but the number of chart points they are getting has. The projected top 4 all have gained 50%+ in points since just last year. With the same projected points this year last year during Christmas week TUN would be at #4 instead of #1. So near the top, Christmas songs are definitely taking over, but overall, not so much. In August 2018, FEFE peaked at #3 with 41k points (65M streams) and that same week GLY was #4 with 40k. Later that month, Sicko Mode debuted at #4 with 37k (its best week points wise). In January/February 2018, Finesse had two weeks at #3 with 43k points and Havana had a week at #4 with 40k.
Thanks for pointing that out. I changed the wording in the original post to reflect that. Kinda rushed through that post tbh, which was how I missed the first case. I use a slightly different formula for the 2017/2018 era (which gives less points than your formula) and I use estimations for unpublished metrics.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Dec 30, 2019 1:47:41 GMT -5
I also wonder if part of the reason for the abundance of holiday songs at the top of the chart, combined with the general weakness of the chart in recent months (if I remember that correctly) is the utter lack of excitement in music in general. Maybe it's me, and while I've been able to find songs I've liked among the releases over the last half a year, I can't help but feel a near lack of excitement in pop music. Post Malone and Ariana are the biggest names in pop music and they don't seem to generate the sae level of hype and excitement that Rihanna, Adele, Gaga, Katy, etc, did during their peak. An award show with their names as headliners don't seem like such a big deal. Is it because I'm getting older? Am I actually that out of touch? I've never felt so blah toward music and the charts and I can't help but wonder if it's a general sentiment among most others. I've never felt like I don't care as much as I have lately. What concerns me the most is that I'm almost wondering if this is just the new normal. With the stars of yesteryear no longer guaranteed to attain high numbers anymore, and even Ariana doesn't have that pull, it's almost like it's just the next big thing for a few weeks and then we're moving on to something else over and over again.
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Post by weirdo on Dec 30, 2019 1:50:35 GMT -5
I also wonder if part of the reason for the abundance of holiday songs at the top of the chart, combined with the general weakness of the chart in recent months (if I remember that correctly) is the utter lack of excitement in music in general. Maybe it's me, and while I've been able to find songs I've liked among the releases over the last half a year, I can't help but feel a near lack of excitement in pop music. Post Malone and Ariana are the biggest names in pop music and they don't seem to generate the sae level of hype and excitement that Rihanna, Adele, Gaga, Katy, etc, did during their peak. An award show with their names as headliners don't seem like such a big deal. Is it because I'm getting older? Am I actually that out of touch? I've never felt so blah toward music and the charts and I can't help but wonder if it's a general sentiment among most others. I've never felt like I don't care as much as I have lately. What concerns me the most is that I'm almost wondering if this is just the new normal. With the stars of yesteryear no longer guaranteed to attain high numbers anymore, and even Ariana doesn't have that pull, it's almost like it's just the next big thing for a few weeks and then we're moving on to something else over and over again. I actually agree. I think ever since 2018 its been this way for me. I miss the days when there were actually big megastars in music, and i think part of the reason that music has become less interesting lately is the viral hits. Also the high debuts and big falls afterwards. Songs are just not having as much longebity it seems like
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