Billboard Hot 100: 03/07/2020

[tuna]

Most of the hate for the radio here seems to come from how the radio doesn’t let songs die. If they moved along at a more rapid pace instead of having Girls Like You at #1 for 140+ days then more people would be fine with it.

I personally would prefer the radio to reflect stuff like the Today’s Top Hits playlist. Playing some big hits while also giving a boost to other slightly less big songs

[annoymous1]

Feb 24, 2020 7:34:53 GMT -5 gabe said:

Feb 23, 2020 23:32:51 GMT -5 annoymous1 said:

I agree on it being a inconsistent platform. I get why it is counted a fair percentage but it's like c'mon it peaked already why it's still charting? Radio is my initial reaction to songs like I don't care and sucker .I know nothing won't change and I'm basically beating a dead horse but I'm just saying

if 60M people are still listening to the song on radio, it still deserves to chart.. you may not like radio holding on to songs but that's just what happens.

Yeah you're right but anyways this will be my last time talking about radio in a negative light .

[Crimsonio]

I swear if Before You Go becomes a hit, I will forever hate radio for making Lewis Capaldi a thing in the US

[tuna]

Feb 24, 2020 8:36:04 GMT -5 Crimsonio said:

I swear if Before You Go becomes a hit, I will forever hate radio for making Lewis Capaldi a thing in the US

This reminded me, by 'give lower songs a boost' I meant songs like stupid or Never Seen The Rain not Lewis

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Feb 24, 2020 7:42:49 GMT -5 tuna said:

Most of the hate for the radio here seems to come from how the radio doesn’t let songs die. If they moved along at a more rapid pace instead of having Girls Like You at #1 for 140+ days then more people would be fine with it.

I personally would prefer the radio to reflect stuff like the Today’s Top Hits playlist. Playing some big hits while also giving a boost to other slightly less big songs

People who listen to radio =/= people who listen to music on streaming.

[tuna]

Feb 24, 2020 9:08:20 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Feb 24, 2020 7:42:49 GMT -5 tuna said:

Most of the hate for the radio here seems to come from how the radio doesn’t let songs die. If they moved along at a more rapid pace instead of having Girls Like You at #1 for 140+ days then more people would be fine with it.

I personally would prefer the radio to reflect stuff like the Today’s Top Hits playlist. Playing some big hits while also giving a boost to other slightly less big songs

People who listen to radio =/= people who listen to music on streaming.

Radio jockeys can control those people's taste

[nak]

Who is out there that only listens to FM radio and no streaming? what is this, 1970?

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Feb 24, 2020 9:12:02 GMT -5 tuna said:

Feb 24, 2020 9:08:20 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

People who listen to radio =/= people who listen to music on streaming.

Radio jockeys can control those people's taste

Apple Music/Spotify can control these people’s taste.

Though even still, this would be a separate issue. Should Billboard be measuring people’s tastes and what they like, or what people are listening to? Should we even be measuring passive listening at all? What about people who listen to the radio on purpose? What about people who listen to songs via YouTube as background music?

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Feb 24, 2020 9:12:59 GMT -5 nak said:

Who is out there that only listens to FM radio and no streaming? what is this, 1970?

This question actually pisses me off because of how ignorant it is. What bubble do you live in where everyone you know listens to music via streaming? Do you know anyone over 40 because they’re less likely to stream. Or are we suggesting the charts actively dismiss anyone over the ages of 30 or 40 because the music they listen to isn’t current enough for the tastes of 8 people who stream only the latest singles?

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Spotify - 02/23/20

1(=) Roddy Ricch - The Box 2,225,031 (-281,670)
2(=) The Weeknd - After Hours 1,159,050 (-343,520)
3(=) Future - Life is Good 1,134,066 (-128,619)
4(=) Justin Bieber - Intentions 1,094,958 (-163,208)
5(=) The Weeknd - Blinding Lights 1,075,511 (-109,030)
6(=) Lil Mosey - Blueberry Faygo 1,021,220 (-86,140)
7(=) Arizona Zervas - ROXANNE 1,003,194 (-92,574)
8(=) Roddy Ricch - High Fashion 896,964 (-90,883)
9(=) Dua Lipa - Don't Start Now 830,804 (-90,833)
10(=) Trevor Daniel - Falling 818,526 (-71,537)

30(-5) BTS - ON 531,266 (-95,629)
32(+3) Surfaces - Sunday Best 527,321 (-18,228)
37(-10) BTS - ON (Sia Remix) 497,119 (-126,763)
40(-3) Future - Life is Good Remix 458,941 (-85,011)
43(+14) powfu - death bed 436,520 (-17,491)
48(+40) Ashe - Moral of the Story 420,598 (+68,402)

Life is Good is #2 combining both versions, and ON would be above Blueberry Faygo with both versions.

[annoymous1]

Red Day!

[tuna]

Feb 24, 2020 9:19:28 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Feb 24, 2020 9:12:02 GMT -5 tuna said:

Radio jockeys can control those people's taste

Apple Music/Spotify can control these people’s taste.

Though even still, this would be a separate issue. Should Billboard be measuring people’s tastes and what they like, or what people are listening to? Should we even be measuring passive listening at all? What about people who listen to the radio on purpose? What about people who listen to songs via YouTube as background music?

I'm saying that the radio controls what popular music a lot of people know and they use that power to play 10,000 Hours some more instead of going around streaming to find up-and-coming songs. If the radio industry started playing WHATS POPPIN every half-hour a lot more people would know what it is and it would chart a lot higher

[Choco]

"Radio doesn't let songs die"

Spotify: *has like 6 different Post Malone and 5 different Drake singles still charting*

Youtube: *probably has Despacito and Gangnam Style charting*

It might be time to accept that consumers are the ones that don't let songs die.

[tuna]

right now the only thing Spotify is helping to keep alive is Circles. Everything else is new or on its way out

[Enigma.]

I wouldn't call Roxanne, Falling and BOP exactly new.

[thegreatdivine]

dremolus - solarpunk how is After Hours #2 with less streams than Life Is Good?

[dovahduck]

Feb 24, 2020 9:44:06 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

dremolus - solarpunk how is After Hours #2 with less streams than Life Is Good?

He combined the two versions on here for "Life is Good".

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Feb 24, 2020 9:44:06 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

dremolus - solarpunk how is After Hours #2 with less streams than Life Is Good?

apologies, forgot to edit the streams for the two songs. Now updated to reflect their proper streams!

[thegreatdivine]

Feb 24, 2020 9:49:03 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Feb 24, 2020 9:44:06 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

dremolus - solarpunk how is After Hours #2 with less streams than Life Is Good?

apologies, forgot to edit the streams for the two songs. Now updated to reflect their proper streams!

No need to apologize, it was a simple mistake.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Feb 24, 2020 9:28:25 GMT -5 tuna said:

Feb 24, 2020 9:19:28 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Apple Music/Spotify can control these people’s taste.

Though even still, this would be a separate issue. Should Billboard be measuring people’s tastes and what they like, or what people are listening to? Should we even be measuring passive listening at all? What about people who listen to the radio on purpose? What about people who listen to songs via YouTube as background music?

I'm saying that the radio controls what popular music a lot of people know and they use that power to play 10,000 Hours some more instead of going around streaming to find up-and-coming songs. If the radio industry started playing WHATS POPPIN every half-hour a lot more people would know what it is and it would chart a lot higher

This is such a surface level look at radio and just doesn’t work. Think about listener habits. People who listen to radio do so for limited periods of time. While they commute to or from work. To or from the grocery store. To or from visiting someone or going somewhere. The time they spend listening to radio could range from 10 minutes to an hour - or however long their commute is. People who listen to radio want to hear songs they know and enjoy. The second a song they don’t like come on, they’re switching the station until they find one they like. The second they hear a song they don’t know, they might give it a chance. If they don’t like it, they’re changing it to a station playing a song they like.

Radio stations can’t force new songs on people whenever you want. It’s a process. If you had a station randomly playing two or three new songs back to back in the middle of the day, they’re going to lose people, if not by the first song, definitely by the third. This is why radio isn’t a reliable method of breaking new artists (unless they package them as such, which IHeartRadio has been doing with their monthly breakout Star now for a few years). There’s a reason why AT40 plays a countdown that includes recurrents and has such a high rotation of older songs as extras. People who listen to radio don’t want to be forced new songs because listening habits have changed since the 90s. And radio must do the most to keep the listening ears of people in the short amounts of time they are tuned in - and that’s by playing the reliable hits.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Going back to the part about switching the station - when people switch from one radio station to another the second a song they don’t like comes on, that station is losing a listener from hearing their advertisements to a competitive radio station. Streaming services don’t have this issue because for every person who jumps ship from Top Hits on Apple Music, they’re jumping to something else on Apple Music.

[Crimsonio]

Harry Styles is releasing his new video for his new single "Falling" on the 28th! I'm super excited because it's become my favorite on the album. I think it could do really well on AC especially.

[Deleted]

i have a feeling “before you go” might be #1 in the summer

[tuna]

Feb 24, 2020 12:12:57 GMT -5 @lil14 said:

i have a feeling “before you go” might be #1 in the summer

At that point I would just become numb

[tuna]

Could the new 100 gecs track impact the hot 100? Charli XCX and Rico Nasty are big names

[atg]

Feb 24, 2020 12:22:34 GMT -5 tuna said:

Feb 24, 2020 12:12:57 GMT -5 @lil14 said:

i have a feeling “before you go” might be #1 in the summer

At that point I would just become numb

I swear if it has a someone you loved run

[divasummer]

Feb 24, 2020 10:04:34 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Going back to the part about switching the station - when people switch from one radio station to another the second a song they don’t like comes on, that station is losing a listener from hearing their advertisements to a competitive radio station. Streaming services don’t have this issue because for every person who jumps ship from Top Hits on Apple Music, they’re jumping to something else on Apple Music.

You are making WAY to much sense through out this thread.
Thank you it saved me a lot of typing time. lol.
I don't get how people don't realize that listening to a curated playlist from a streaming service is and different than radio.
You brought up some other good points as well.

The age old question: Should only Sales and On Demand streaming count because those people care more about music than passive listeners....?

I personally know a couple of people who own streaming packages and I don't think they ever search out music.
If they do it's very rarely. I don't think they make playlists etc. They just want to hear some music w/out commercials for a couple of hrs (if that).
They listen to playlists and then skip a song they don't like it I guess or suffer through it..

[violentdreams]

One thing I've noticed about these TikTok driven hits is that they tend to rise rapidly then hit a wall within like two or three weeks. Only a few of them actually break out and become massive hits, like Roxanne, the rest stagnate in the 500k-700k range before gradually falling.

[korbel16]

Dance monkey still number 1 on global Spotify? It was a cute bop but damn it’s old as dirt now

[korbel16]

Say so sounds just like a top 10 hit to me i don’t get how it’s not climbing faster!