Lordef†ones
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Post by Lordef†ones on Mar 27, 2020 10:54:41 GMT -5
Although I would be remiss if I didn't plug the discord server that I play Mafia on (among other games) Feel free to join and play, we're always looking for new people and the mafia games are more inventive and fast-paced given the chatroom environment. discord.gg/hfKNv7b
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Web
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Post by Web on Mar 27, 2020 11:05:10 GMT -5
so we only have 5 hours left now, it's frustrating to be at this point again near EOD with a dead town, so little focus on the wagons and several players who haven't really offered thoughts on D3. @antigonerising I know you're probably busy rn but if you're town and you don't see the informational value in lynching Albie and the snarks wagon isn't gaining any traction I don't understand why you're not coming back to vote for me before EOD. @doinktheclown and gabe I appreciate you're new and don't want to put votes down without reason but could you at the very least say your feelings on a few of the players in the game so far after reading? (Jugg I know you said your feelings on me but if there anyone else you have feelings about?) I'm cautious of an experienced mafia player being left with less obstacles to control discussion but as long as town can pull it out in the end I don't really care what order any mislynches happen in. As I stated at the top of page 19 I'm perfectly fine with being lynched today if the town thinks that it's going to help provide information for future days. I'd almost prefer it at this point honestly bc I can't dig for information when several people aren't going to give it, it kind of undermines the point of the game lmao.So at the very least a Web mislynch would give some of my leans some weight, some of the other players' opinions of me clarity now that everyone would know I was town. I'm not voting for myself bc that's just kind of an official confirmation of giving up but I'm not going to push back against it. And that isn't me coming at anyone personally for being busy with their lives and everything going on but it does objectively make the game pretty difficult to play.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 12:06:24 GMT -5
Well I'm not feeling at all like I fell into a few traps at all in my dumb franticness
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 12:12:42 GMT -5
Vote for me if ya'll feeling it I'd rather be in the green room then further on with this shit show with no chance at actually getting the mafia out
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Mar 27, 2020 12:18:33 GMT -5
For quick reference/summary, this is where he moved his votes during his time in the game: - himself - Web - Max (the above three votes were RVS) - charmander - Nick Perkins (this is where his vote was when Hamed was lynched; he was the only person with a vote on Nick at the time) - charmander - anna - His last 'vote' action was actually an unvote and he was the only person who did not have a vote down on someone At the time he unvoted, Codex and BB were tied for most votes. He did look into them, but toward the end he leaned toward town on Codex and never fully hopped aboard the BB!scum train either. He leaned town on albie, Tanooki, and snarks, seemed stuck on his anna/charmander suspicions, and was null on everyone else. At one point he felt town about Lord but I guess that dissipated because in the next-to-last post where he stated who his town reads were, he didn't mention Lord's name. At one point Kunt said something to the effect of it being a fool's errand to try to 'get in the head' of mafia, and I do kind of agree with that for the most part so I won't spend too much time overthinking this. But in general, a Kunt kill IMO would come from one of two strategic ideas: 1) he was suspect of one or more mafia players and the mafia team feared he was convincing enough that he might drive the lynch toward them sooner than later. This theory makes the most sense if the entire mafia team is new(ish), bc gunning for someone who had an FoS on you is a rookie move 2) he wasn't suspect of any of the mafia players, but also wasn't firmly in support of any of them. In this instance, he was the most optimal target bc his exit leaves a 'cold' trail, without mafia losing a vocal supporter/vote insurance. The second theory feels closer to true to me than the first one, because looking at who he did vote for he didn't drive anyone else to vote for Nick and charmander, and he took his vote off anna/me at the end. Essentially he did not pose enough of a threat to anyone for it to make sense that a mafia member would have a kneejerk reaction and vote him off for it. I'll come back later and examine things through the theory #1 lens. So coming back to this - I meant to say I'd come back and examine things through theory #2, as I pretty much see nothing that would hold theory #1 up. So anyway, off to that theory. First we remove all the people the house seriously suspected (I'm not going to count the RVS votes in this): - anna/Cynthia - charmander - Nick/Ginger And then remove all the people he had strong town leans on (I realized his strong town leads are very beneficial bc 3/5 of these people had strong suspicions at one or more points in D1/D2 and snarks was starting to build up on albie, meaning if any of these people were scum they would not be motivated to off one of their biggest supporters) - Albie - BB/Juggs - Codex - snarks - Tanooki/gabe And of course take out the lynches (Hamed/walt91) and himself. This leaves: - .exclusive - Lordeftones - Mayman - Max - Web So, how do we all feel about these last five names here? Would you guys feel comfortable focusing attention on these people for D3? Now, my own feelings on the Nick/Ginger role are still ambivalent so I personally would not mind throwing him in with the five above. I realize snarks is still stuck on albie so he may not be a fan of this approach since it basically sits albie out, but I'd appreciate if he would humor me for a little bit on this one - .exclusive and Web are almost certainly not partners and I don't think Web and May could be partners but I need to re-examine their interactions/mentions of each other again to be sure of that feeling - Very early in the game Max asked everyone to state what their experience level was and he explained that it was to help with determining a player's intent (e.g. if someone is fairly experienced and then evades a question, that could be a scum tell, but if they're new, they might simply not know what to do). I'm noting this now bc this could have been a very sly way of giving some inexperienced teammates a built-in 'excuse' for any mistakes or not playing hard enough. - I still keep coming back to that early bandwagon on Lord and wondering if he and his teammates intentionally set that up IF Web is mafia, given the narrowed I'm thinking the possible scum combos are Web/Max/Lordeftones, Web/Ginger/Max, or Web/Ginger/Lordeftones (and if we take my null on Ginger out of the equation it is strictly Web/Max/Lord). If Web is town, then the mafia team options are more varied; due to relatively low activity on several players' parts any of the remaining players could be a plausible set. Vote: Max because why not tell me how you feel about this breh I actually do think this is an interesting discussion point because as of right now, the only definitive activity we've received from the mafia is Kunt's lynch. That's all we got. Everything else is just speculation. The list you gave above (exclusive, Lord, Mayman, me and Web) are all players kunt didn't give any solid thought to from what you found. I might also include those people he leaned town on (Albie, BB/Juggs, Codex, snarks, and Tanooki/Gabe) because what better way to forge a distance than to off one of your supporters? I guess I'm not so sure I'd be so quick to remove them from the discussion. All that is fine and all except when you think how much of a benefit it is to get rid of the house before he had a chance to read me and albies interactions and the last few pages before the Night mode since he was still supporting us. Just really seems like a lot of speculation over nothing for no reason when there's way more substantial things to go on lol but I'll humour your theories if you humour mine girl. This just seems like biggest stretch when The house had no real input besides unvoting for Anna once suspicion started to build for albie from me. I'm going to jump in here. I'm not sure you're looking at this from the right angle. In this, we're not so much looking at Kunt's analysis (which wasn't a ton anyway) but how mafia possibly responded to his analysis. It's a common tactic in this game when trying to narrow down possible suspects to use clues from the lynches and nightkills. The nightkills offer more solid suggestions because they come from the hands of mafia themselves. So what we want to look into is whether anything (and everything) kunt said might help narrow down the list of suspects. It's unlikely anyone Kunt would have gone after would risk a kill on him because typically the first people to get questioned after a nightkill are the ones who potentially had something to lose by keeping that person around. If Kunt was gungho that you were mafia, snarks, you might fear him and if you actually were mafia, you might be tempted to nightkill him. Now, if the next day phase begins and Kunt is the one who was nightkilled, because you were his target during the previous day, you might have a lot of suspicion on you. The only thing against this whole theory is that Kunt didn't really have *strong* opinions on anyone. So all of this could be leading us nowhere but Kunt's nightkill is still the only piece of solid evidence we have to go on. I am in agreement though that I don't think a Lord lynch would give us a lot to go on other than to satisfy curiosities. It's one of the reasons why I'm not gung-ho on voting Codex right now. If he flipped town, it would a waste. Whereas someone like Albie or even Web, no matter which way they flipped, there's information to take away from that. I want to clarify that I'm not interested in sacrificing a likely town for the sake of gathering information. That ship has sailed. At this point, I think we need to be more than just 'suspicious' of where we place our votes. Devil Marlena Nylund my thoughts on Web are more or less neutral. I haven't really leaned on either side of him being scum or mafia. Him and Albs are going after each other which makes me think that they're both on opposite sides of the spectrum, but I can't pinpoint quite yet. Seems like as of now since they're the most likely to be lynched, we would gain information of either two's reveal. I don't think they're both mafia as idk why two scum players would draw this much attention to themselves, and two town players I don't think would be going after each other this hard, but given everyone else's inactivity, I can see why bc not much to go off of anyone else. This is true. I agree that I don't think both are mafia and I think that's partly why I'm also leaning town on Web is because I'm leaning more scum on Albie. My question now for everyone is, in these last few hours, we need to consider what the possible outcomes are. Right now, Web and Albie have the most votes and unless everyone comes in and lays down a vote, we're looking at an Albie lynch.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Mar 27, 2020 12:20:15 GMT -5
Looking through what has been said, Web as of now is the most sus to me. Vote: WebOk..... why?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 13:29:49 GMT -5
Where is the updated vote count? I'll throw my vote in I just need to see where what is
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 13:32:24 GMT -5
if you're town I hope you feel pleased with yourself for being a distraction and giving scum exactly what they want I just have to say regardless of whether you're right or not, this is exactly correct lmfao. I got way more into this game then I expected to and have been a fucking mess and even if I've had some right leads I've definitely helped out mafia with being such a distraction and letting any points I had that might be legit get covered by how bad I tunnel everything and won't give in/shut up. So I'm sorry about that for every one cause some good points (not just by me obviously but by everyone) probably become harder to stand out in the middle of my 1000 frantic IT HAS TO BE THIS posts. Also contributed to both mislynches and am probably the biggest part of the last two day phases being a shit show. Just don't want to act like I think I'm making the greatest contributions to this game lol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 14:02:57 GMT -5
I guess I really see only one option here
Vote: Albs
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Web
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Post by Web on Mar 27, 2020 14:05:12 GMT -5
it's super busy today so i'll try to be on as much as possible heading up to EOD, I hope we can get some final thoughts from Albie on everything or at least my thought process but if he's frustrated by how everything panned out this day phase I don't blame him bc i've felt that too. if you're town I hope you feel pleased with yourself for being a distraction and giving scum exactly what they want I just have to say regardless of whether you're right or not, this is exactly correct lmfao. I got way more into this game then I expected to and have been a f**king mess and even if I've had some right leads I've definitely helped out mafia with being such a distraction and letting any points I had that might be legit get covered by how bad I tunnel everything and won't give in/shut up. So I'm sorry about that for every one cause some good points (not just by me obviously but by everyone) probably become harder to stand out in the middle of my 1000 frantic IT HAS TO BE THIS posts. Also contributed to both mislynches and am probably the biggest part of the last two day phases being a s**t show. Just don't want to act like I think I'm making the greatest contributions to this game lol I wanted to point out that putting aside that eagerness and energy is what made and continues to make me lean so heavily town on you lol i'm glad you posted this bc sometimes taking an extra 10 seconds to and re-reading what you're about to post can make you realize some of your thoughts aren't stated in the best way and can avoid people jumping at you for one or two words that in your head you know made sense later. Activity is good, energy and willingness to ask questions and pursue leads is good, but making typos/errors bc you're just going so fast your thoughts aren't completely connecting in the post end up hurting overall.
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Exclusive
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Post by Exclusive on Mar 27, 2020 14:10:40 GMT -5
Looking through what has been said, Web as of now is the most sus to me. Vote: WebI guess I really see only one option here Vote: AlbsOh hell naw. Could can we get some more reasoning behind these votes. I know things are kinda hectic now but throwing down votes with little to no reason after all this time is really suspicious.
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Post by Mayman on Mar 27, 2020 14:12:05 GMT -5
Web is really playing that town game hard, maybe a little too hard. It's beneficial for us what he's doing I guess, but maybe that's why he wants us to think.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 14:19:40 GMT -5
And I got screwed game wise. If I voted for anyone else, either
A) Will be for someone who doesn't have the votes
B) Wouldve caused a 3way tie that Albs still would've lost
Or C) Make me look suspicious as hell because I'd be voting Web right after defending them
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Web
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Post by Web on Mar 27, 2020 14:21:32 GMT -5
i'll just say in my defense for that -
1. I really like mafia if it wasn't obvious lmao
2. If I was mafia it would have been about 10000x easier (and probably better for my health) for me to just offer occasional observations and decent cases, and let the moments where the town completely dies off stay that way for longer so we have even less to go on each day and all players would look equally bad.
but you're free and completely fair to hold your point if that's what you think is best
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 14:45:48 GMT -5
D3 Vote Count #7:
[4] Albie - snarks , Web , Devil Marlena Nylund , @doinktheclown * [3] Web - Exclusive , Albie , Mayman [2] Codex - charmander78 , Lordef†ones [1] @antigonerising - Baby Spice [1] snarks - @antigonerising [1] Lordef†ones - Codex Not Voting: gabe *Albs has the most votes With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch
You have 1 hour and 14 minutes on the clock!Sub Reminders: Ginger replaced Nick, Cynthia replaced Anna, CagedJuggalo replaced BB, Gabe replaced Tanooki.
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Post by Albie on Mar 27, 2020 14:58:03 GMT -5
so we only have 5 hours left now, it's frustrating to be at this point again near EOD with a dead town, so little focus on the wagons and several players who haven't really offered thoughts on D3. @antigonerising I know you're probably busy rn but if you're town and you don't see the informational value in lynching Albie and the snarks wagon isn't gaining any traction I don't understand why you're not coming back to vote for me before EOD. @doinktheclown and gabe I appreciate you're new and don't want to put votes down without reason but could you at the very least say your feelings on a few of the players in the game so far after reading? (Jugg I know you said your feelings on me but if there anyone else you have feelings about?) I'm cautious of an experienced mafia player being left with less obstacles to control discussion but as long as town can pull it out in the end I don't really care what order any mislynches happen in. As I stated at the top of page 19 I'm perfectly fine with being lynched today if the town thinks that it's going to help provide information for future days. I'd almost prefer it at this point honestly bc I can't dig for information when several people aren't going to give it, it kind of undermines the point of the game lmao.So at the very least a Web mislynch would give some of my leans some weight, some of the other players' opinions of me clarity now that everyone would know I was town. I'm not voting for myself bc that's just kind of an official confirmation of giving up but I'm not going to push back against it. And that isn't me coming at anyone personally for being busy with their lives and everything going on but it does objectively make the game pretty difficult to play. Try being at this point but with everything you’ve said being made a complete mockery of. I’ve never played in a game where someone has gone as low as to literally mock someone else’s game play. There is analyzing and picking apart someone’s gameplay. And then there’s plain old mocking it. It made me completely lose interest and taste for the game and go back to my stance from the other day of just being done. As much as he’s said he would try and continues to say “I know I need to stop but”, I have seen zero evidence that snarks is going to be able to do anything but dig at me until I’m out of the game. And there is no way that I’ll be able to stand another 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 days of that. Snarks, this game isn’t about solo glory. We’re a team but you are way too focused on just being right even if its to the detriment of town. While I’ve tunneled, I’ve at least tried to look at things about other players and offered my thoughts, as stupid as you may think they've been. I’m too big of an obstacle for snarks to move on from and if you all want to put me out of my misery, I’d be eternally grateful. I thank the lord that Cynthia still has an objective brain to work with. I can’t tell anymore if web and max are too far down my tunnel or if they’re just using this all to their advantage. If the latter though, damn y’all are cold. I do find it hard to believe that all three of them as mafia currently have their vote on me, but I don’t have it in me to process this any further. I can’t wait until snarks reads everything I’ve said back and sees just how big a bathtub he’s going to need to wipe all the egg off his face (unless he’s scum, of course – which he probably is now that he suddenly ‘fell into traps’). He’ll be in heaven. You’re welcome bitch. Go town.
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Web
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Post by Web on Mar 27, 2020 15:07:18 GMT -5
ok so there's like an hour left and idk if there's enough time to shift votes around (and idk if Albie still even *wants* to be in this game tbh) but I'm annoyed at myself bc the same frustrated, emotional feelings I was having about this game and posted about are basically perfectly reflected in that post, and it wasn't really fair to Albie to put so much effort into the game like I did and have this end up being the result and it's what was making me hold off so much from voting him....
...the fact that we could just be two town players tunneling on the only shit that was actually there to work with in the game and slamming up against each other while the mafia just watched with popcorn.
that post gave me such strong town vibes and I don't think Albie would post something like that if he was mafia, there wouldn't really be a point.
I guess it's not really fair to torture him by shifting my vote somewhere since even if I went somewhere else (other than myself) he'd still be lynched...but yeah this whole game has just been the most draining experience to me and I was practically begging to be lynched today so I'd be free from it.
but fuck
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 15:15:57 GMT -5
Unvote: Albs
Vote: Web
It's just a game, but me of all people know what it's like to put your entirety into a game. Not even talking game, If you really feel that drained, I got you
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 15:19:14 GMT -5
Unvote: Albs
Vote: WebIt's just a game, but me of all people know what it's like to put your entirety into a game. Not even talking game, If you really feel that drained, I got you Fuck no please take me out please I can't do this anymore lol unvote: Albs vote: snarks web albs everyone please I can't I will be far into this game and just keep tunneling like a cray cray or just be a distraction Everyone please it will help you it will help me let's all help each other
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 15:21:34 GMT -5
Can we all just end this game why did I agree to this why is this actually hell
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 15:23:06 GMT -5
Can we all just end this game why did I agree to this why is this actually hell Yeah, Mylo we all love you and know you had good intentions, but this damn game driving everyone crazy. Hell I barely joined this phase and I feel the effects
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 15:23:14 GMT -5
so we only have 5 hours left now, it's frustrating to be at this point again near EOD with a dead town, so little focus on the wagons and several players who haven't really offered thoughts on D3. @antigonerising I know you're probably busy rn but if you're town and you don't see the informational value in lynching Albie and the snarks wagon isn't gaining any traction I don't understand why you're not coming back to vote for me before EOD. @doinktheclown and gabe I appreciate you're new and don't want to put votes down without reason but could you at the very least say your feelings on a few of the players in the game so far after reading? (Jugg I know you said your feelings on me but if there anyone else you have feelings about?) I'm cautious of an experienced mafia player being left with less obstacles to control discussion but as long as town can pull it out in the end I don't really care what order any mislynches happen in. As I stated at the top of page 19 I'm perfectly fine with being lynched today if the town thinks that it's going to help provide information for future days. I'd almost prefer it at this point honestly bc I can't dig for information when several people aren't going to give it, it kind of undermines the point of the game lmao.So at the very least a Web mislynch would give some of my leans some weight, some of the other players' opinions of me clarity now that everyone would know I was town. I'm not voting for myself bc that's just kind of an official confirmation of giving up but I'm not going to push back against it. And that isn't me coming at anyone personally for being busy with their lives and everything going on but it does objectively make the game pretty difficult to play. Try being at this point but with everything you’ve said being made a complete mockery of. I’ve never played in a game where someone has gone as low as to literally mock someone else’s game play. There is analyzing and picking apart someone’s gameplay. And then there’s plain old mocking it. It made me completely lose interest and taste for the game and go back to my stance from the other day of just being done. As much as he’s said he would try and continues to say “I know I need to stop but”, I have seen zero evidence that snarks is going to be able to do anything but dig at me until I’m out of the game. And there is no way that I’ll be able to stand another 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 days of that. Snarks, this game isn’t about solo glory. We’re a team but you are way too focused on just being right even if its to the detriment of town. While I’ve tunneled, I’ve at least tried to look at things about other players and offered my thoughts, as stupid as you may think they've been. I’m too big of an obstacle for snarks to move on from and if you all want to put me out of my misery, I’d be eternally grateful. I thank the lord that Cynthia still has an objective brain to work with. I can’t tell anymore if web and max are too far down my tunnel or if they’re just using this all to their advantage. If the latter though, damn y’all are cold. I do find it hard to believe that all three of them as mafia currently have their vote on me, but I don’t have it in me to process this any further. I can’t wait until snarks reads everything I’ve said back and sees just how big a bathtub he’s going to need to wipe all the egg off his face (unless he’s scum, of course – which he probably is now that he suddenly ‘fell into traps’). He’ll be in heaven. You’re welcome bitch. Go town. I gotchu boo unvoted for you plz vote for me so I can go back in the bath and we can end this nightmare
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Post by Mayman on Mar 27, 2020 15:25:57 GMT -5
Can we all just end this game why did I agree to this why is this actually hell
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Mar 27, 2020 15:27:41 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 15:32:45 GMT -5
@doinktheclown MaymanWebPlease lmfao I can't keep doing this another day phase of both me and albie will drive everyone insane think of the good of the group Everyone think of how much stupid shit you'll have to read through think of all the typos
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Post by Web on Mar 27, 2020 15:33:00 GMT -5
so maybe the one majority vote we can actually reach this game is the one to end it
i joined this mafia game to try and escape from all of the shit that's going on rn, i check the news every day when i wake up and watch more places shut down and see more depressing news stories and just kind of sit numb waiting for some sign that it's going to slow down or a light that it's going to be over
we're all on edge and stressed every day that something else is going to happen to disrupt all of this shit that we just took for granted and this intense, deductive, sometimes emotional and difficult game really doesn't mix well with it
idk if this is way too deep for this moment or not but it's what i'm feeling right now, and i don't think this game is really worth going forward with anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 15:34:17 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 15:38:21 GMT -5
vote: albie
K the franticness won again but I will vote with my strongest option and not myself cause that's a bad townie but please ya'll just get me out if this isn't going to end lol
I guess I'll just have to find a way to get this site blocked or something or Mylo pleae just end it lol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 15:40:50 GMT -5
Web enjoy being free 😞 jealous of you rn if you turn out to be mafia you really played me well lmfao
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Mar 27, 2020 15:53:10 GMT -5
6 minutes left!
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