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Post by netti on Jul 10, 2020 19:37:05 GMT -5
Kelly is over as a pop star. Then why are you even wasting time posting in her thread, just to spread negativity. Stay in the threads for people you like and then you will have positive or at least productive things to post about. Life's to short to be so negative!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 19:39:27 GMT -5
That's fine she can be over as a pop star but her talents are respected. She doesn't have to peddle ugly shoes she has her own daytime TV show! A catalogue that's worth respect and a voice!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 19:41:05 GMT -5
lol guys, not being neg. I love Kelly and have all her music, but as a pop star she is done and ya'll know it. Her star will continue to rise nonetheless. PS... Katy is over too
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 19:44:05 GMT -5
Fair enough but one thing I learned long ago is to never count a talented singer with real fans. They can surprise you with the right song at the right time.
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Post by bigb0882 on Jul 10, 2020 19:54:08 GMT -5
Fair enough but one thing I learned long ago is to never count a talented singer with real fans. They can surprise you with the right song at the right time. This. I think this is what we all kind of hold out hope for. That one last song that is just perfect and comes along at the exact right time. She has the voice to elevate anything. Cher had a hit when she was in her 50’s so anything is possible. I don’t care if Kelly ever goes top 10 on radio again but I know she has it in her to release a song that becomes one of her classics. Just based on vocals and lyrics and timing. It will happen. Mark my words. Kelly has another huge song in her. What that looks like exactly? We shall see.
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Post by musicfan134 on Jul 10, 2020 22:46:33 GMT -5
I don't think a song has to do well on radio to become a hit. Look no further than "Piece by Piece" for an example. Perks of the streaming age.
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Post by netti on Jul 10, 2020 23:07:41 GMT -5
I don't think a song has to do well on radio to become a hit. Look no further than "Piece by Piece" for an example. Perks of the streaming age. So true! And that era seemed "over". That one performance revived it and even though it didn't become a huge radio hit; its definitely a signature song now and forever a part of her setlists! Hell Kelly doesn't even need anymore radio hits or big album sales, that's not where the money is anymore anyways. Its touring. And she sold out arenas last tour! Many acts with huge radio hits couldn't come near to selling out arenas.
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Jul 11, 2020 3:24:40 GMT -5
I don't think a song has to do well on radio to become a hit. Look no further than "Piece by Piece" for an example. Perks of the streaming age. So true! And that era seemed "over". That one performance revived it and even though it didn't become a huge radio hit; its definitely a signature song now and forever a part of her setlists! Hell Kelly doesn't even need anymore radio hits or big album sales, that's not where the money is anymore anyways. Its touring. And she sold out arenas last tour! Many acts with huge radio hits couldn't come near to selling out arenas. I doubt she’ll ever want to sing PBP again... “But piece by piece, he collected me up Off the ground, where you abandoned things Piece by piece he filled the holes that you burned in me Six years old and you know He never walks away He never asks for money He takes care of me 'Cause he loves me Piece by piece, he restored my faith That a man can be kind and a father could, stay” “He” being Brandon of course. I’d throw this in with Irvine and Brandon’s Song as songs she’ll never sing live again :(
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The album that never ends... I mean 'THE TORTURED POETS DEPARTMENT: THE ANTHOLOGY' out now!
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Post by schnetzka on Jul 11, 2020 5:45:23 GMT -5
Piece by Piece reminds me of You're Still the One by Shania. That song is about still being with her (now ex) husband despite what everyone said would happen. Even now that they're divorced, she still sings it and instead changed its meaning so it could be a situation like that.
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Post by ampersand on Jul 11, 2020 6:54:41 GMT -5
Well, I mean, I feel like PxP is more about Brandon being a good father, which is still possible (and hopefully is the case) despite the divorce.
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Post by keeptheflowers on Jul 11, 2020 7:25:50 GMT -5
Kelly is a grammy and emmy winning superstar who still sells out arenas 15+ years into her career, has her own tv show and is about to get her own star on the walk of fame. Yup she's over as a "pop star". She's more than that now.
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Post by mamasboy on Jul 11, 2020 7:29:12 GMT -5
Kelly simply aged out of the market like other female pops stars. Of course there will be outliers here and there, but that is the trend. This is not a Kelly issue. Luckily Kelly has diversified her public profile in numerous ways, and she's now more prolific than ever.
I guess what I'm saying is, WHO FUCKING CARES THAT SHE'S NOT A POP STAR??!! Not me.
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Post by bb on Jul 11, 2020 9:28:15 GMT -5
Only thing to add to this discussion (which I feel like we have every few months) is if, in fact, she's unfairly aged out of the pop market, I'd love for her sound to evolve along with it. "Meaning of Life" was in my opinion a step in the right direction, but she can go even further with that sound. If the goal isn't to chase hits-- along with all of the personal issues in her life right now, which we're not privy to-- then I think it's well past time for an album that reflects the best of her as a songwriter, vocalist, and artist.
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Post by musicfan134 on Jul 11, 2020 15:03:31 GMT -5
Only thing to add to this discussion (which I feel like we have every few months) is if, in fact, she's unfairly aged out of the pop market, I'd love for her sound to evolve along with it. "Meaning of Life" was in my opinion a step in the right direction, but she can go even further with that sound. If the goal isn't to chase hits-- along with all of the personal issues in her life right now, which we're not privy to-- then I think it's well past time for an album that reflects the best of her as a songwriter, vocalist, and artist. One small edit: another album that reflects the best of her as a songwriter, vocalist and artist...My December says hi. :)
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Post by QAF on Jul 11, 2020 17:18:42 GMT -5
Kelly simply aged out of the market like other female pops stars. Of course there will be outliers here and there, but that is the trend. This is not a Kelly issue. Luckily Kelly has diversified her public profile in numerous ways, and she's now more prolific than ever. I guess what I'm saying is, WHO f**kinG CARES THAT SHE'S NOT A POP STAR??!! Not me. This. As long as we continue to get new music, I'm good.
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Post by BDGeek on Jul 11, 2020 21:36:34 GMT -5
I don't get why people always make such a fuss when someone is "over" as a pop star. Pop stardom isn't designed to last. You have a limited shelf life until you are forgotten (like so many), shift gears (like Kelly has done), or get pushed past your limits (see Elvis, Michael Jackson, Whitney, Britney, etc.). The course Kelly is on is one of the best-case, healthiest scenarios she could be on.
Would I love for Kelly to have another hit at radio or streaming? Absolutely. Am I expecting it at this point? Not necessarily, but she certainly has the talent and ability to do so. Granted, even the best voice on the best song doesn't guarantee a hit. There are so many factors beyond Kelly's control — age, gender, genre, producers, who manages which artists, promotions departments at record labels, etc. It's great if one can game these factors in her favor, but it's unusual for anyone to be able to do so 18 years into her career. Heck, it's hard to do even once. Think of all the artists striving for Kelly's level of success that we never hear a peep from, save for a viral Instagram or TikTok video we forget about a week after we watch it.
What Kelly has achieved up to this point is remarkable. Eras like Breakaway are rare. Comeback hits like "My Life Would Suck Without You," "Stronger," or "Piece By Piece" are also rare. Holiday staples like "Underneath The Tree" are nearly impossible to net in today's market. And defining an entire genre of reality competition shows was unheard of until Kelly came along. To expect her to keep being "relevant" in the way Ariana Grande, The Weeknd, Doja Cat, etc. are relevant is unrealistic. Kelly's had an amazing run up to this point and has entered a new phase of her career, one where she wins Emmys, voices animated characters, potentially forays into Broadway, etc. She's done more than enough incredible things to cement her legacy, yet she keeps going and continues to surprise in her achievements.
Kelly may not be the "it girl" she was a decade ago. But she's far from "over" in her career as an entertainer who can move and inspire others. I used to think she'd be an underrated footnote in pop music history. But she's repeatedly proven me wrong and reestablished herself as a force, a talent, and a likable, relatable human who people want to see and hear. I'm not counting her out anymore. She's here to stay.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 21:45:26 GMT -5
Piece by Piece is the kinda song she never has to perform again even if they lasted a life time or not. After that Idol performance it will never be topped and it's the one in a lifetime type of performance that speaks for itself.
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Post by bb on Jul 12, 2020 11:54:07 GMT -5
Only thing to add to this discussion (which I feel like we have every few months) is if, in fact, she's unfairly aged out of the pop market, I'd love for her sound to evolve along with it. "Meaning of Life" was in my opinion a step in the right direction, but she can go even further with that sound. If the goal isn't to chase hits-- along with all of the personal issues in her life right now, which we're not privy to-- then I think it's well past time for an album that reflects the best of her as a songwriter, vocalist, and artist. One small edit: another album that reflects the best of her as a songwriter, vocalist and artist...My December says hi. :) Ha I would have agreed before the last few years (2011-2013, and 2018-now)! Made me realize how much of her vocal talent got left off those early records because of production choices and the limitations of the pop-rock genre. I think she can do better— but I love that album too!
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Post by musicfan134 on Jul 12, 2020 14:00:23 GMT -5
Good point re: her vocal talent not necessarily being well showcased on some of her earlier albums. But she could sing the phone book and it would still sound good, so.
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Post by kelllyfan on Jul 12, 2020 14:06:43 GMT -5
A snippet from an unreleased song surfaced:
They are selling the song on a forum but it says the song has 2 verses with only instrumental so it's unfinished. And it was recorded on 2016/2017.
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Post by G-Reg on Jul 12, 2020 17:03:03 GMT -5
Though personally I'd love to see the return of Rockelly, does anyone else think that she would smash on a dance/edm/electronic song? Either with a famous producer or, dare I say it, on her own a-la "Believe"
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Post by Mike on Jul 12, 2020 18:16:41 GMT -5
I'll say this.
The way we consume media is not the same as it was 15, 10, or even 2 years ago. The term "popstar" is so tangible. We are able to tailor our musical input to our exact taste and preferences in a way we never have before.
I know there's something to be said about <insert artist> garnering 80 million+ streams in their first week of availability. That's great! Good for them! But it's not what I consume. It's not what any of my friends listen to. You could name 10 artists that topped the album charts because of their streaming in the last year and I literally could not tell you a single lyric of theirs.
Kelly has sold all the records, won prestigious awards, cemented her status as a TV personality on multiple network shows, sold out monstrous venues and proven herself to be one of the best vocalists alive. Not even up for discussion. Her catalog is constantly in rotation in mine and my friends' lives.
If there's ever a definition of a"popstar" (if that's what you want to call it), it's Kelly Clarkson to me.
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Post by G-Reg on Jul 13, 2020 2:23:05 GMT -5
I don't think anyone is denying that Kelly is a popstar, or at least I hope not. She definitely is. We don't need to over-justify. But as a fan of her music and musical persona, I'd still like to see her have hits. I don't watch TV, or even care about that type of media. But just because I want hits doesn't mean I'm not happy for her achievements or career highs she's having now. Maybe now she's becoming more of a "star" rather than a popstar if that makes any sense. Only time will tell.
And not knowing current artists is not a new thing for people as they get older. Every generation has fallen out of touch with the younger generation's music and artists, though it does seem to be especially obvious in this era of fragmented media consumption.
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Post by Mike on Jul 13, 2020 8:04:45 GMT -5
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Post by QAF on Jul 13, 2020 8:46:18 GMT -5
Beautiful. Queen.
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Post by kmbgs on Jul 13, 2020 13:20:00 GMT -5
Isn't Kelly's current status as a multi-media mogul, more difficult to get than becoming a simple popstar? Our queen is vers.
Not everybody has that!
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Jul 13, 2020 21:42:39 GMT -5
Can we get a Duets album out of Kelly ala Reba’s. I’d love to hear here duet with some of her famous friends on their popular hits. She would make them sound so much better.
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Post by ampersand on Jul 13, 2020 22:54:20 GMT -5
^ She needs to at least hop on a track with fellow divorce queens Adele and Kacey Musgraves.
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Jul 13, 2020 23:21:46 GMT -5
^ She needs to at least hop on a track with fellow divorce queens Adele and Kacey Musgraves. I want some Mary J Blige, Bruno Mars, Pink... has she ever had a super high profile duet? Besides the country songs she’s done, and the John Legend song (I don’t consider him super high profile)... I can’t think of anything else. Such a shame because she knows how to harmonize so damn well, one of the best in pop music at doing that.
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Post by ampersand on Jul 14, 2020 0:06:33 GMT -5
^ She needs to at least hop on a track with fellow divorce queens Adele and Kacey Musgraves. I want some Mary J Blige, Bruno Mars, Pink... has she ever had a super high profile duet? Besides the country songs she’s done, and the John Legend song (I don’t consider him super high profile)... I can’t think of anything else. Such a shame because she knows how to harmonize so damn well, one of the best in pop music at doing that. “Don’t You Wanna Stay” with Jason Aldean was massive in the country world; it won many industry awards and she performed it live with him at the Grammy‘s (edit: sorry, just realized you mentioned her country duets). She’s also performed live with Demi and P!nk, but nothing in studio. There’s the duet with Josh Groban, as well. On top of that, she recorded two duets with Daughtry that were scrapped (one for AIEW and another for Stronger). She’s been pretty open about the fact that she hasn’t done many duets simply because she just hasn’t been asked. She’s admitted this in many interviews. IIRC, she reached out to a rapper (I think Lil Wayne?) and Bruno Mars but they said they were too busy to record a song with her. I remember her saying that the tracks she presented to each of them were very different. There was also the time she tweeted @ GaGa, Katy, P!nk for a collab but received no response. I think the song ended up becoming “People Like Us.” She also mentioned that she suggested an all-female group performance at the Grammy’s but that one of the artists shut it down because she (the anonymous artist) didn’t want to perform with other women. Once upon a time she actually also tweeted it was a goal of hers to sing with Amy Lee after seeing her live and meeting her backstage, but Amy demurred when asked about this in an interview... Lol
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