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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2020 14:39:40 GMT -5
In any case, I did explain everything in Day 3 and nothing really changed since then, but I'll be open to any questions/clarifications the rest of you have. Can you read back and see if anything else can be added. It's not fair we all presenting our ideas again and you're sitting back on day 3 notes. Anything will be helpful so we not just isolated on Coco,zeebs and kunt talking back n forth.
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Post by Lukas on Apr 30, 2020 14:52:39 GMT -5
In any case, I did explain everything in Day 3 and nothing really changed since then, but I'll be open to any questions/clarifications the rest of you have. Can you read back and see if anything else can be added. It's not fair we all presenting our ideas again and you're sitting back on day 3 notes. Anything will be helpful so we not just isolated on Coco,zeebs and kunt talking back n forth. I mean, I do have some new information, but not much, such as: -My suspicions of there possibly being a the house/Carrie team is debunked since the house is the bulletproof townie. -Zeebz's suspicions of me weren't that high either. His points of me being "intentionally vague" and "intentionally separating" are in fact, quite simply worded and doesn't go into much detail besides "well it's possible", and would lead me to think more concretely that he is scum. As it looks to me as if he just put my name out there by using POE (and by purposely eliminating himself as well). Until I get justifications and clarifications here, my suspicion of him being Carrie's scum partner is really high. I'll read back everything so I can come up with more concrete claims. I have several days.
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Post by Zeebz on Apr 30, 2020 15:03:45 GMT -5
It was definitely a case of me trying to think ahead as to who other scum options could be, as I was definitely leaning town on everyone else except Carrie. Today, given process of elimination, he’s the only person I feel even remotely non-Town about so moreso he’s the odd one out.
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Post by Koochie on Apr 30, 2020 15:26:16 GMT -5
I’m with Coco honestly, from what I read there seemed to be an effort by Carrie to throw Lukas under the bus. This seemed like more than just casual distancing to me. The other thing is that Lukas went against the grain to say Carrie actually seemed Town, which was not a popular position at the time. I would think scum!Lukas would just not speak on Carrie at all, or make a stronger case for Carrie being Town if that actually was his intention. Otherwise, why put your neck out there like that?
It’s also more than just how Carrie interacted with the two of you, but how you’ve both played the game. Lukas’ posts on Day 3 in particular implied he was actually scum hunting, while Zebra appeared to be overly concerned with whatever heat he thought was on him and remained generally defensive. Honestly, outside of Carrie, I can’t think of anyone he attempted to push for besides the weak push for Lukas on D3 and a brief push for Mylo on D1 and D2 which, honestly, I’m curious about.
Zebra (idr your tag fuck), on D1 you were eager to hammer Mylo and said that on D2, you found his assumption that you and Nick were scum to be suspicious after Nick flipped town, but I don’t recall you mentioning Mylo as suspicious again and this seemed to kind of fizzle out. What made you change your mind on Mylo, and can you explain again exactly what about that was suspicious to you?
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Post by Albie on Apr 30, 2020 21:49:19 GMT -5
It is Day 4. Deadline has been set for 05/03/2020 at 11:59 PM EST
Day 4 Vote Count 2: It takes 3/4 Votes to lynch!
Not Voting: Zeebz / Lukas / @pma2015 / Koochie
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Post by Zeebz on May 1, 2020 9:20:27 GMT -5
I was eager to vote for Mylo because, based on the limited information that we had, he was the most suspicious to me at that time. However, I was not eager to "hammer", per say. I gave the decision time and wanted to wait for more input from other players, hence why my vote came at the last minute, putting him at L-1. I found his mention of Nick and I as a scum team to be odd, at best, and was more confused as to why he would throw us out at the Twilight phase with no justification as to why he thought this way. I guess, in some way, I thought of it as setting the stage for getting the ball rolling on a lynch wagon for me the next day, which, as we all know, never quite happened.
This is also not quite why my suspicions fizzled out, though. The more I thought about Nick flipping Town, though, I realized it made little sense for Mylo to be scum as scum wouldn't throw out the name of someone they found "sus" and then immediately NK them. Likewise, Mylo's tunneling and erratic behavior throughout that Day Phase (plus what we knew of his gameplay the day prior) just did not seem like smart gameplay for someone who is scum as it draws a lot of attention to Mylo and I felt that he was more of a messy town, at best.
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Post by Koochie on May 1, 2020 11:28:17 GMT -5
I was eager to vote for Mylo because, based on the limited information that we had, he was the most suspicious to me at that time. However, I was not eager to "hammer", per say. I gave the decision time and wanted to wait for more input from other players, hence why my vote came at the last minute, putting him at L-1. I found his mention of Nick and I as a scum team to be odd, at best, and was more confused as to why he would throw us out at the Twilight phase with no justification as to why he thought this way. I guess, in some way, I thought of it as setting the stage for getting the ball rolling on a lynch wagon for me the next day, which, as we all know, never quite happened. This is also not quite why my suspicions fizzled out, though. The more I thought about Nick flipping Town, though, I realized it made little sense for Mylo to be scum as scum wouldn't throw out the name of someone they found "sus" and then immediately NK them. Likewise, Mylo's tunneling and erratic behavior throughout that Day Phase (plus what we knew of his gameplay the day prior) just did not seem like smart gameplay for someone who is scum as it draws a lot of attention to Mylo and I felt that he was more of a messy town, at best. Thanks, but I wasn’t implying your vote on Mylo was suspicious. We agreed no lynch was a bad idea a long time ago, I just cited it to show a record of you being on Mylo that seemed to go nowhere without explanation. Lukas have you had a chance to read through the thread yet?
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Post by Zeebz on May 1, 2020 11:35:56 GMT -5
Yeah, totally get that! I was just explaining the whole situation. Sorry if I came off as defensive, wasn’t my intention.
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Post by Koochie on May 2, 2020 8:37:52 GMT -5
So uh, with Lukas having been active and not responding how should we proceed lol
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2020 10:03:38 GMT -5
This is why I was hoping to have that extension Lukas hopefully will vote before the deadline but also he said he will be back with further thoughts so patiently awaiting . Truth be told it will take something majorly red flag to move me at this point as nobody is going to say or do anything they haven't most game. I'm prepared to wait for Lukas but also prepared to vote on what happened leading up to this day.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2020 10:09:47 GMT -5
Zeebs to be honest everything you're saying makes sense . The only disagreement I have is the posts that Carrie was adamant about you and Max being town was day 1. If that was to distance from her partner and frame you then I ask why so early? How would scum know that far ahead who would be helpful and who would be a detriment. If it was later in the game I could see that but mind is saying there wouldn't be such a early "framing" For me it comes down to where is the argument for Lukas? I know you're probably doing process of elimination but for me to vote Lukas I'll need more. So I'll go backwards and see. And also the problem with Lukas is also there was slight fingerprinting him so I have to ask is that because it's harder to make a case for others and he is an easier choice? Or do you believe that. Also here is the problem Carrie would say I have no read on Lukas and then she came back that night and said " Coco and Lucas might be the scum" which raised my eyebrow on her. This is your post from last night "Lukas is also someone whose posts I want to analyze more in depth in the morning when I am more awake, but I still am not liking his vague mentions of me/Carrie being a scum team. It just seems too coincidental given that Mylo also said this around the same time, but I am left questioning this as well. Partly because with his recent statements in mind I don't think Carrie and Lukas could both be scum, given that he threw her out there (even if this could just be distancing, but idk, especially given how critical of Mylo's theories I have been), but also I am waiting for his justifcation." I dont know if that's you throwing out Lukas as scum idea to think ahead or just regular town looking around but then today you're more confident he is scum I'll add this to my working theory of using the new angle for Carrie which Carrie herself played up and to be fair we all used that to excuse the newbies not being as active but its just more slight fingerprinting towards Lukas. I feel like part of the strategy might have been to make Lukas seem more scummy than Carrie Zeebs looking back even at end of day 1 there was crumbs and then it stopped. "Regarding Lukas, I am not liking that he came in and put Gabe on L-1 (as well as not liking the fact that Gabe hammered himself, lmao, but okay), as his reasoning seemed to be incredibly similar to everyone's else's, so I am getting parroting vibes from both him and Carrie at this point. I want to talk this up to the fact that they are new, and this point slightly moreso applies to Carrie as I haven't seen many definitive stances that she has taken (as evidenced by her lack of a vote last go round."
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2020 10:11:15 GMT -5
I can find plenty of these when I look backwards but I cant find one link between Lukas and Carrie and I just dont think they would be that efficient as new pair considering they were the least active.
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Post by Koochie on May 2, 2020 10:43:13 GMT -5
I don’t think a deadline extension would matter at this point. Even if we no lynch, scum still wouldn’t win tonight. They’d probably NK me since I’m the only confirmed town, but that still leaves Lukas, yourself, and Zebra for D5.
We also still have until tomorrow night, so Lukas has time, but I’m also confident enough to vote. I genuinely can’t find anything incriminating in Lukas’ posts that places him in an alliance with Carrie, and I’m fairly sure Coco is town. I also haven’t seen much of an effort on Zebra’s part to actually say Lukas or Coco are all that guilty today either 💀
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Post by Albie on May 2, 2020 18:25:22 GMT -5
#Mod: Umm y'all have like 28 hours left k
It is Day 4.
Deadline has been set for 05/03/2020 at 11:59 PM EST
Day 4 Vote Count 3: It takes 3/4 Votes to lynch!
Not Voting: Zeebz / Lukas / @pma2015 / Koochie
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2020 18:31:11 GMT -5
Thanks for prodding them.
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Post by Koochie on May 2, 2020 20:37:52 GMT -5
I’ll be casting my vote tomorrow. I hope Lukas is present for that.
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Post by Koochie on May 3, 2020 10:05:24 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2020 11:54:20 GMT -5
I hope after I wake up for a nap there will be new posts in here. Yawn. Good thing I have enough to vote this evening but Miss Lukas and Miss Zebra letsgo!
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2020 11:55:18 GMT -5
One of you hors been liking my posts elsewhere so I know you been on!
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Post by Albie on May 3, 2020 12:47:32 GMT -5
#Mod: Umm y'all have like 10 hours left k
It is Day 4.
Deadline has been set for 05/03/2020 at 11:59 PM EST
Day 4 Vote Count 4: It takes 3/4 Votes to lynch!
Not Voting: Zeebz / Lukas / @pma2015 / Koochie
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Post by Zeebz on May 3, 2020 12:51:45 GMT -5
Sorry, I’ve been a tad checked out of the game due to irl events. Anyway
It seems that everyone is set to vote and admittedly I haven’t done much to alleviate the suspicions on me since I’ve been checked out, but I do intend to comb through Lukas’s posts to try and find more concrete examples of why I find him the most suspicious. Otherwise, I don’t know how to defend my case more than I have. Do y’all have any questions about specific moves I’ve made or anything you’d like my answer to? I want to try to be as helpful as possible.
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Post by Lukas on May 3, 2020 13:26:33 GMT -5
Very late but I skimmed through the entire thread so more thoughts on that later.
But yeah, I'm still waiting on clarification as to how Zeebz thinks I was purposefully separating myself from Carrie in the first half of the game when we didn't even do anything anyways.
I know I'm town but I'm also sure that Coco is town since Carrie tried to deflect suspicion to me and Coco in the middle of day 3.
And going through day 1, I found Zeebz's posts to be way more informed and helpful to us townpeople; and then they kind of shifted gears to being very defensive and uninformative on Day 3. Maybe I'm overthinking this and maybe I'm crazy but....doesn't going from being 100% on one extreme end to 100% on the other seem suspicious, at the very least?
I didn't see anything else that I felt was of high value at this point. And I feel confident to put in my vote anyways.
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Post by Zeebz on May 3, 2020 13:30:04 GMT -5
Hi, all. If I had had the foresight to actually do so, I should have asked for a replacement for this Day phase because I haven't been as diligent in playing as I should be at this point. I am not sure what to do to specifically prove that I am Town. However, to elaborate more on my suspicions on Lukas by starting with his questions:
Okay, so maybe intentionally wasn't the right word to use in that case, but that comment was both referring to your conclusions being similar to others, which I should have specified, but moreso your lack of a committal decision on some players for the majority of the last Day phase, namely Coco. In the majority of your posts, you mention that you view her as either a wildcard or claim she hasn't been as active during Day phases so you're unable to read her, which.. isn't true? Even if she wasn't as vocal during Day 2, she was still active enough for some sort of read. (I'd like to clarify that I think Coco is Town at this point, which is why I am honing in on Lukas specifically) That, coupled with the conclusions that Carrie and I must be aligned based on similar reasoning as Mylo (which you admitted was similar) just felt like parroting and trying to make a mislynch happen while also avoiding hard stances on several other players. I don't know. Literally your entire argument regarding me being scum with Carrie seems similar to Mylo's in every facet and it just seems... convenient? At this point I feel like I am rambling, so
I definitely understand what you're saying here Coco, but her stance on Day 1 could have just been based off of the limited information that we had, during which everyone except Mylo was p sure I was Town or had a Town lean. This could have been an example of her parroting and just agreeing with the crowd, so I am not sure why this point would necessarily disprove my argument. If they are trying to frame me/set me up for a mislynch, I think that developed later in the game.
That said, I have no explanation as to why Carrie threw out a Coco/Lukas scum team if they were partners. That is one of the holes in my argument, but unless I am totally off base on you I have nothing else to go off of. Kunt is the Bulletproof and I know for a fact that I am Town. I also strongly believe that you are Town based on everything you have displayed. So that left me with Lukas as a process of elimination and I am likely grasping at straws with this argument. I do believe that he is the most likely to be scum out of everyone left, though.
I do see the logic behind the argument that you and Kunt have presented, with my Lukas/Carrie scum team idea seeming like a stretch just based on previous dynamics and the way we played the last Day phase (admittedly I spent too much time trying to argue with Mylo, lol, whereas Lukas tried to seem more helpful-- even if this could have been him trying to seem Town), so I understand why your suspicions lie where they do. At this point I don't know what else to do to prove that I am Town other than to vote for myself. I am getting definitive Town reads on everyone except Lukas and idk at this point lmfao
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Post by Zeebz on May 3, 2020 13:33:13 GMT -5
I don't have concrete examples of distancing yourself from Carrie, but you both seemingly avoided mentioning one another and did not interact with one another. I think I read too much into that point, though, and it was likely just because you were both inactive.
The only reason why I suspect you is because I have seen the least amount of a Town read on you and I don't see anything to make me suspicious of Coco. I honestly don't know what else to say at this point, I'm fighting a losing battle lol
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Post by Koochie on May 3, 2020 17:00:57 GMT -5
I’m gonna say vote: Zebra
Something about asking for a replacement D4 screams desperation play
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Post by Albie on May 3, 2020 17:03:38 GMT -5
#Mod: Umm y'all have like 6 hours left k It is Day 4. Deadline has been set for 05/03/2020 at 11:59 PM EST
Day 4 Vote Count 5: It takes 3/4 Votes to lynch!
Zeebz [1]: Koochie
Not Voting: Zeebz / Lukas / @pma2015
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2020 17:07:37 GMT -5
Great post and great emotional plea. I feel you girl. I was hoping you'd bring something in the form of emails, receipts, fax on Lukas that would have me pause.
I'll do another quick glance on Lukas real quick be back.
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Post by Zeebz on May 3, 2020 17:13:51 GMT -5
The mention of getting a replacement was genuine, I knew that coming into Day 4 I wouldn’t have as much time for the game. Not an excuse, and obviously a lack of initiative on my part, but just wanted to clarify where I’m coming from re: inactivity.
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Post by Zeebz on May 3, 2020 17:15:24 GMT -5
(Not sure if I clarified in the post above, but I was only going to ask for a replacement during Night 3. Once Day 4 started, I figured it would be too late to ask for one so I wanted to still try and play this day phase. Def wasn’t asking for a replacement last minute lol)
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2020 17:35:12 GMT -5
Outside of early zeebs you played great lol. I had you as town until I took a deep dive on Carrie. I think her newness left tiny crumbs outside of even the subtle Lukas push. I admit I came into this day pretty certain you were her scum partner based on what I outlined.
The only reason I'm not voting yet is that tiny 10% I could be wrong and its Lukas but I cant picture a Lukas and Carrie team being beyond unable to be linked to each other and I looked and looked . I looked at a Kunt/Carrie link too but that ended on day 4.
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