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Post by Fire on May 1, 2020 19:04:24 GMT -5
Does Ryan Seacrest hear the music as he is recording the show? I don't think he does. There are several songs on here that also play on the HAC show, and I don't think Ryan would say the exact same thing in the exact same way (with no difference) if he was talking about a certain song for two different shows if they are in different positions.
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Post by MitchWolf - ChartStan on May 1, 2020 20:14:04 GMT -5
"You Should Be Sad" now ties "IDGAF" and "In My Feelings" for the biggest dropoff of the Seacrest era. 1982 AT40 called 2020 AT40, and wants its chart quirks back--specifically, songs falling right off from relatively high peak positions. 2020 don't do long distance dedications requests... wish they do that again during this dire time
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Post by mkarns on May 1, 2020 22:53:25 GMT -5
Does Ryan Seacrest hear the music as he is recording the show? I don't think he does. There are several songs on here that also play on the HAC show, and I don't think Ryan would say the exact same thing in the exact same way (with no difference) if he was talking about a certain song for two different shows if they are in different positions. For most of its history AT40 has been "voicetracked", in which the host records their speaking parts which are later edited or mixed in with the songs. The exception was for its first couple of years in the early 1970s, when Casey Kasem recorded it in "real time" giving the intros and outros as he was actually playing the records--which meant that any error would mean long segments would have to be re-recorded in full. Reportedly this changed after Dick Clark guest hosted in 1972 and complained about how long and difficult the recording sessions were. Since then it's been more efficient with the speaking parts recorded independently of the songs, often with the host simply reading off a script, though as a current working DJ in addition to his countdown duties Ryan is at least probably familiar with how most of the songs sound, which reportedly wasn't necessarily true of Casey or of Shadoe Stevens in earlier years. Casey is said to have worked with not only prepared scripts but also special tapes made of the beginnings and ends of the songs so he could adjust his delivery depending on their sound and tempo without necessarily knowing the full songs.
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Post by Top 40 Tracker on May 2, 2020 2:04:08 GMT -5
I bought the book "American Top 40" two decades ago and skimmed through it and forgot about it. A few days ago, I found it in the back of my closet, sat down and gave it a full re-read. It talks about how they recorded the show in real time before figuring out better ways to produce it. Casey taped the first 68 shows before taking a break. The book mentions that Dick Clark might have been the one that put the voice tracking idea into their heads at the time he guest hosted it.
As far as guest hosts go, the book mentions that all of them did well except for Hall & Oats, who thought they'd only be in the studio about 20 mins to lay down the voice tracks for a 4 hour show. Lol. They didn't understand their duties and complained the whole time.
Lots of fascinating behind the scenes details are discussed in the book.
The book mentions they were paying Billboard $200k per year to use the Hot 100 and the Radio Airplay charts in the 1990s while Radio and Records were allowing Rick Dees access for free. That's why Casey used R&R during AT40s rebirth in 1998, to save money. They also admit they liked R&R charts better than Billboard's.
One of the things I wanted to know was how the show was produced and sent to stations in time to air each week. The book doesn't answer it specifically. The best clue I could find was that Shadoe Steven's taped the final show on a Thursday, Jan 12, 1995. The show used a Billboard Airplay chart dated Jan 21 and the show aired Jan 28, 1995. His last four shows used charts that were one week older than the air dates, the only time that ever happened.
When the show started in 1970, they actually used a chart that was one week in the future than the the Billboard chart date. So AT40 actually aired the Top 40 before Billboard subscribers received the charts. Crazy. That stopped a few years into production before aligning the chart dates with the actual weekend.
So, my best guess is they got the chart information over the phone from Billboard on a Tuesday, then scripted the show later that day. Casey recorded the show on Wednesday, the show was finalized by Friday and then duplicated to tapes and eventually vinyl over the weekend and then shipped to affiliates on Mondays and then would air the next weekend. Quite impressive.
Another clue, when John Lennon was assassinated on a Monday night, AT40 had already shipped that week's show to affiliates. He had a song in the top 10. The next day, Tuesday, Casey re-recorded an emergency segment to replace what had already been shipped because what they would have said about him would not have made sense after everyone knew he had been killed. It's the only show that contained 5 vinyl records and is considered a rare collectors show.
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Post by mkarns on May 2, 2020 13:04:50 GMT -5
When the show started in 1970, they actually used a chart that was one week in the future than the the Billboard chart date. So AT40 actually aired the Top 40 before Billboard subscribers received the charts. Crazy. That stopped a few years into production before aligning the chart dates with the actual weekend. Actually the situation of AT40's giving the people the chart a week in advance ended after less than a year. The first show was aired the weekend of July 4-5, 1970 on seven stations (including one where I live now, though I wasn't alive then), and used the July 11, 1970 Billboard chart. The last show to do this was that aired on April 24-25, 1971, which used the May 1, 1971 chart. The first weekend of May AT40 aired its first special countdown, and then the weekend of May 8, 1971 it used the same-dated Billboard chart. Though as an aside, when Casey was using Radio & Records for his countdowns (1989-2003 for CHR, including both Casey's Top 40 and starting in March 1998 the revived American Top 40), the magazine's chart date was the Friday a week before the countdown aired. Thus the first CT40 used the chart from R&R's January 13, 1989 issue and aired on January 21-22.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on May 2, 2020 14:11:03 GMT -5
1982 AT40 called 2020 AT40, and wants its chart quirks back--specifically, songs falling right off from relatively high peak positions. 2020 don't do long distance dedications requests... wish they do that again during this dire time If I had the time, and a decent enough speaking voice, I’d be tempted to make a countdown in the same style as Casey’s show. Though I guess not having a place to upload it would make it rather pointless. But I do miss his more plain but to the point style of doing a countdown.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on May 2, 2020 14:14:10 GMT -5
I need to find me this AT40 book. Is it still available anywhere?
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Post by mkarns on May 2, 2020 15:58:58 GMT -5
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Post by johnnywest on May 2, 2020 16:37:43 GMT -5
"You Should Be Sad" now ties "IDGAF" and "In My Feelings" for the biggest dropoff of the Seacrest era. Meanwhile, on the Rick Dees Weekly Top 40, it falls off from #11 this week.
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Post by Fire on May 2, 2020 16:49:04 GMT -5
"You Should Be Sad" now ties "IDGAF" and "In My Feelings" for the biggest dropoff of the Seacrest era. Meanwhile, on the Rick Dees Weekly Top 40, it falls off from #11 this week. Is that an all-time record there? I never pay attention to Rick Dees (partly because it got Top 40 Tracker's orginal channel taken down :sip2: )
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Post by gemini79 on May 2, 2020 17:41:17 GMT -5
I know Earned It went to number 1, but I can't remember what other song by The Weeknd went to number 1
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2020 17:44:49 GMT -5
I know Earned It went to number 1, but I can't remember what other song by The Weeknd went to number 1 Can’t Feel My Face
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Post by gemini79 on May 2, 2020 17:58:52 GMT -5
How did Casey or does Ryan determine what versions of the songs played on the chart? For instance in 1989 Casey played the album version of Cold Hearted despite the radio version was more popular. And in 1990 he played a remix version of the Other Side by Aerosmith despite playing the album version.
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Post by Top 40 Tracker on May 3, 2020 3:15:15 GMT -5
Meanwhile, on the Rick Dees Weekly Top 40, it falls off from #11 this week. Is that an all-time record there? I never pay attention to Rick Dees (partly because it got Top 40 Tracker's orginal channel taken down :sip2: ) The record for biggest drop off the WT40 is Kesha's "Die Young". It fell of the chart from #1.
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Post by Top 40 Tracker on May 3, 2020 3:16:27 GMT -5
$200? Wow. I got a piece of gold now. In the back of the book, it lists all the top 40 positions of every special ever aired on AT40. Plus, it contains a Top 100 of all the songs to ever make the Top 40 and alot more including most popular artists and such.
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Post by kaseyken on May 3, 2020 16:06:25 GMT -5
The story about the shadow Steven's countdown brings back memories.i remember listening to that particular show that did the dramatic chart change. songs were making huge jumps and drops and songs that had fallen off suddenly just reappeared. Meanwhile Shadow made no mention of the chaotic chart like it was business as usual.
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Post by MitchWolf - ChartStan on May 3, 2020 16:49:53 GMT -5
The story about the shadow Steven's countdown brings back memories.i remember listening to that particular show that did the dramatic chart change. songs were making huge jumps and drops and songs that had fallen off suddenly just reappeared. Meanwhile Shadow made no mention of the chaotic chart like it was business as usual. Shadoe best known when he was the announcer of the 90's edition of "Hollywood Squares" with JM J Bullock as host b4 he took over as host of AT40
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Post by richie on May 4, 2020 3:23:33 GMT -5
The story about the shadow Steven's countdown brings back memories.i remember listening to that particular show that did the dramatic chart change. songs were making huge jumps and drops and songs that had fallen off suddenly just reappeared. Meanwhile Shadow made no mention of the chaotic chart like it was business as usual. And something similar happened at the beginning of 2004 when Ryan took over from Casey. Especially since the recurrent rule was abandoned and songs like In Da Club came back on after many months.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on May 4, 2020 8:04:00 GMT -5
Thanks for picking these extras this week Top 40 Tracker. Can’t wait to see what you choose next weekend!
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on May 4, 2020 8:05:18 GMT -5
The story about the shadow Steven's countdown brings back memories.i remember listening to that particular show that did the dramatic chart change. songs were making huge jumps and drops and songs that had fallen off suddenly just reappeared. Meanwhile Shadow made no mention of the chaotic chart like it was business as usual. Casey’s chart did that too in April 1994 when they switched to the plays per week model.
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Post by momzquotes on May 6, 2020 18:10:37 GMT -5
Oh dear. Why "Underdog" played as an Extra three times?
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2020 18:15:08 GMT -5
Oh dear. Why "Underdog" played as an Extra three times? A combination of the fact that it’s getting a second wave and that AT40 is annoying.
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