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Post by galfor on Nov 18, 2020 14:30:36 GMT -5
It completely baffles me how Cam can release such a wonderful album with fantastic songs, come across as such a sweetheart and perform live to perfection and not have more of an impact. Her new album is stunning and the singles have been amazing. I just don’t get the disconnect. Is it poor marketing?! She deserves so much better. I completely agree. She is being marketed in a genre and industry she is actively very critical of. (I do NOT think she should stop this, she is a forceful voice). I imagine this works against her in ways that are similar to Kacey Musgraves. Is she critical of country music?! Or is she just a normal nice enlightened person?!
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Post by .indulgecountry on Nov 18, 2020 15:14:19 GMT -5
Cam is also totally starting over from scratch basically because all her momentum from "Burning House" is long gone. I'm sure she isn't exactly what radio PDs are clamoring to play right now for a number of reasons, but it also doesn't help that "Classic" just sounds so passive... that chorus is admittedly a bit of a sneaky earworm and gets to you after repeated listens, but the verses feel pretty lifeless and the nothing about the overall feel of the song or the production scream "hit" single. Trying to re-launch her at radio with that single just seems weak, especially in hindsight (I wasn't too hopeful initially but now after hearing the album in full I'm definitely thinking it was an odd move to put that out as her first radio single in like 3 years).
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Post by taylor on Nov 18, 2020 18:02:52 GMT -5
I completely agree. She is being marketed in a genre and industry she is actively very critical of. (I do NOT think she should stop this, she is a forceful voice). I imagine this works against her in ways that are similar to Kacey Musgraves. Is she critical of country music?! Or is she just a normal nice enlightened person?! She's critical of the country music industry and its many flaws, and it works against her in the same vein as Kacey Musgraves. As .indulgecountry pointed out too, the momentum from "Burning House" (released 5 years ago) is long since gone and she has to work from scratch now. "Classic" was the oddest possible choice to try and do so, and if they wanna have a chance again, they have to push "Till There's Nothing Left" or "Like A Movie." Those are the songs that I feel have the greatest hit potential at country radio. If they decide to even play her, given how critical she's been of the country music industry.
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Post by galfor on Nov 19, 2020 0:40:19 GMT -5
Well hopefully like Kacey she won’t need radio. Radio have their own agenda. I’m proud of Cam and the artist she is and we’re lucky to have such a great female artist who won’t be tossed around by the country machine. I’m pleased that she speaks her mind and calls things out. If only other artist were so honest. It’s a fantastic album and it’s everyone else’s loss at the end of the day.
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Post by Jack on Nov 19, 2020 6:55:58 GMT -5
Is she critical of country music?! Or is she just a normal nice enlightened person?! She's critical of the country music industry and its many flaws, and it works against her in the same vein as Kacey Musgraves. Yeah I agree. The difference is Kacey had established herself with two big albums, a Christmas record, and really cultivated a broad coalition of fans and critical claim alike. By the time she started speaking her mind more and being rightly critical about things, she had a base and momentum. Cam, doesn't really have either, and if music - and Country music especially - is a game, she isn't playing it very well. I don't think anybody should be silent or be silenced, but there are certain realities one has to contend with. Cam's new label JV, and promo push indicate a desire to be a player within the industry. Her activism, criticism and dismissal of that industry seem at odds. If she wants to be a folk singer/songwriter who sings and speaks about the injustice of the world, do that. If she wants to to be a Country star who changes the industry from within, plays ball, get enough success that she isn't beholden to radio programmers and the ACM etc. then she's going about it the wrong way. Conducting a half life where she's trying to do a bit of it all clearly isn't working. I say this all coming from the mindset that I absolutely think she's the most talented Country artist in the world rn.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2020 10:33:18 GMT -5
Yeah, move on. This was cute, but Like A Movie is waiting to SMASH.
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Post by galfor on Nov 19, 2020 12:30:51 GMT -5
She's critical of the country music industry and its many flaws, and it works against her in the same vein as Kacey Musgraves. Yeah I agree. The difference is Kacey had established herself with two big albums, a Christmas record, and really cultivated a broad coalition of fans and critical claim alike. By the time she started speaking her mind more and being rightly critical about things, she had a base and momentum. Cam, doesn't really have either, and if music - and Country music especially - is a game, she isn't playing it very well. I don't think anybody should be silent or be silenced, but there are certain realities one has to contend with. Cam's new label JV, and promo push indicate a desire to be a player within the industry. Her activism, criticism and dismissal of that industry seem at odds. If she wants to be a folk singer/songwriter who sings and speaks about the injustice of the world, do that. If she wants to to be a Country star who changes the industry from within, plays ball, get enough success that she isn't beholden to radio programmers and the ACM etc. then she's going about it the wrong way. Conducting a half life where she's trying to do a bit of it all clearly isn't working. I say this all coming from the mindset that I absolutely think she's the most talented Country artist in the world rn. It’s a shame that there is a game that has to be played at all. Maybe she should play the ‘game’ but I don’t think she will and good on her. The music should speak for itself. But like many female musicians I’m afraid there is too much patriarchy at the top of the tree. Hopefully the real fans who like authentic artists will still get to enjoy her music and she continues to be a fantastic role model for all young female musicians.
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Post by Jack on Nov 20, 2020 4:57:07 GMT -5
Yeah I agree. The difference is Kacey had established herself with two big albums, a Christmas record, and really cultivated a broad coalition of fans and critical claim alike. By the time she started speaking her mind more and being rightly critical about things, she had a base and momentum. Cam, doesn't really have either, and if music - and Country music especially - is a game, she isn't playing it very well. I don't think anybody should be silent or be silenced, but there are certain realities one has to contend with. Cam's new label JV, and promo push indicate a desire to be a player within the industry. Her activism, criticism and dismissal of that industry seem at odds. If she wants to be a folk singer/songwriter who sings and speaks about the injustice of the world, do that. If she wants to to be a Country star who changes the industry from within, plays ball, get enough success that she isn't beholden to radio programmers and the ACM etc. then she's going about it the wrong way. Conducting a half life where she's trying to do a bit of it all clearly isn't working. I say this all coming from the mindset that I absolutely think she's the most talented Country artist in the world rn. It’s a shame that there is a game that has to be played at all. Maybe she should play the ‘game’ but I don’t think she will and good on her. The music should speak for itself. But like many female musicians I’m afraid there is too much patriarchy at the top of the tree. Hopefully the real fans who like authentic artists will still get to enjoy her music and she continues to be a fantastic role model for all young female musicians. I guess! I suppose you can't choose to play chess and then complain about the rules of chess. You can not play, or play other things. Cam and her team have re-engaged their efforts to make her a Country star, there is nothing to say she has to try and be one. I doubt if Beyoncé, for instance, after having one Pop hit song five years later spent time re-entering the space routinely critical of the industry and genre, that she would have been quite so successful and implementing the change and carving out the empire she has for herself now. I'm not saying Cam wants to be Beyoncé, merely Beyoncé is a good example of somebody that hustles for years, establishes herself, proves herself beyond all doubt time and again, and then uses her success and power to render institutions like radio and the promo circuit useless to her and effects real philanthropic good via her immense power from within. Obviously the two don't have too much in common, although I do think Cam has the equivalent amount of talent sofar as her own industry relates, if she could just get out of her own way a bit more. I hear you, but if her music continues to underperform - incredible, well-crafted, commercial music that's amongst the best its genre has to offer - then there won't be a 'fantastic role model for all young female musicians to look up to' as her profile and visibility (not to mention label, budget, promotional opportunities etc.) will be such that she won't be there to look up to.
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Post by galfor on Nov 20, 2020 12:16:02 GMT -5
It’s a shame that there is a game that has to be played at all. Maybe she should play the ‘game’ but I don’t think she will and good on her. The music should speak for itself. But like many female musicians I’m afraid there is too much patriarchy at the top of the tree. Hopefully the real fans who like authentic artists will still get to enjoy her music and she continues to be a fantastic role model for all young female musicians. I guess! I suppose you can't choose to play chess and then complain about the rules of chess. You can not play, or play other things. Cam and her team have re-engaged their efforts to make her a Country star, there is nothing to say she has to try and be one. I doubt if Beyoncé, for instance, after having one Pop hit song five years later spent time re-entering the space routinely critical of the industry and genre, that she would have been quite so successful and implementing the change and carving out the empire she has for herself now. I'm not saying Cam wants to be Beyoncé, merely Beyoncé is a good example of somebody that hustles for years, establishes herself, proves herself beyond all doubt time and again, and then uses her success and power to render institutions like radio and the promo circuit useless to her and effects real philanthropic good via her immense power from within. Obviously the two don't have too much in common, although I do think Cam has the equivalent amount of talent sofar as her own industry relates, if she could just get out of her own way a bit more. I hear you, but if her music continues to underperform - incredible, well-crafted, commercial music that's amongst the best its genre has to offer - then there won't be a 'fantastic role model for all young female musicians to look up to' as her profile and visibility (not to mention label, budget, promotional opportunities etc.) will be such that she won't be there to look up to. If that’s the case then so be it. Cam will always be creative and have some kind of presence within music and she’ll always be a role model no matter what. Just because you have an opinion about something doesn’t make dishonest about still wanting to achieve success. Sure she is no Beyoncé but then WHO is ?! She’s certainly a one off and not really a fair comparison. If she isn’t given the same commercial possibilities that she is privy to at the moment then so be it. It’s a shame but it is what it is. Hopefully the next single can spark a resurgence .... What Goodby Needs is an amazing song. Still so annoyed that Diane was not a smash. SUCH an amazing song!!
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Post by Jack on Nov 20, 2020 12:56:10 GMT -5
Sure she is no Beyoncé but then WHO is ?! She’s certainly a one off and not really a fair comparison. Now, you see, I think I went out of my way to spell out the point I was making and not suggesting Cam should be releasing Formation. I also think I went in to enough detail to avoid reactions like "not fair to say she's not Beyoncé". Again, it's the principle that carries. Somebody is far more likely to affect change, influence others, defang and demonopolize power from a position of strength. Believe me, in all the ways Cam (and me and probably everybody here) wants reform, change and progress within the Country music industry - and the music industry at large - she would be far better poised to bring it about with a grab bag of huge hits, Grammys, and a broad fanbase. All of which I think she's more than capable of getting, if she focuses and sees beyond the future right in front of her and to further down the road. Which requires a bit of lip-biting and finessing the system. It just does. If that’s the case then so be it. Cam will always be creative and have some kind of presence within music and she’ll always be a role model no matter what. Just because you have an opinion about something doesn’t make dishonest about still wanting to achieve success. If she isn’t given the same commercial possibilities that she is privy to at the moment then so be it. It’s a shame but it is what it is. Hopefully the next single can spark a resurgence .... What Goodby Needs is an amazing song. Still so annoyed that Diane was not a smash. SUCH an amazing song!! Yes, Cam will always be creative. And as a fan, I am I here to eagerly support anything she releases. I know she hadn't meant for the break to be as long as it was, and label politics came into it. So, more's the reason to focus since she's playing catch up. I agree. If Carrie Underwood had released Classic, Till There's Nothing Left or Diane in 2011, I have no doubt all would have been career songs/massive hits for her. The material is 10/10. The chance that material gets in the world is out of her hands for the most part, but it's within her control for the last 10%. It's a shame to use that 10% to self-destructive ends, is all.
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Post by tim on Nov 21, 2020 22:48:01 GMT -5
How about a little Saturday night distraction:
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Post by galfor on Nov 22, 2020 1:18:21 GMT -5
Love this!!! 👏👏👏👏👏
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