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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 22:12:00 GMT -5
Easily my favorite year end top 10 1985 Year-End Top 10 1. Careless Whisper - Wham! (#1, February) 2. Like a Virgin - Madonna (#1, December 1984) 3. Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go - Wham! (#1, November 1984) 4. I Want To Know What Love Is - Foreigner (#1, February) 5. I Feel For You - Chaka Khan (#3, November 1984) 6. Out Of Touch - Daryl Hall & John Oates (#1, December 1984) 7. Everybody Wants To Rule The World - Tears For Fears (#1, June) 8. Money For Nothing - Dire Straits (#1, September) 9. Crazy For You - Madonna (#1, May) 10. Take On Me - a-ha (#1, October) Man, the Mid 80s were great. I looked at 1983 for my blog, and 43 out of the 100 songs on the Year-End lists were 5/5's, and while I don't think that'll be matched by any other year, I expect years like '84 and '85 to top 30 5/5 songs.
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Post by Amnesiac on Dec 27, 2020 22:22:21 GMT -5
If this holds, that means Donny Hathaway's "This Christmas" and Stevie Wonder's "What Christmas Means to Me" will at long last make their Hot 100 debuts this week. And Paul McCartney's "Wonderful Christmastime" will make the Top 40 for the first time ever. This would be Hathaway's first Hot 100 chart entry since 1980, Wonder's first since 2005, and Macca's first solo Top 40 hit (as in w/o Kanye or Rihanna) since 1989.
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Post by gikem on Dec 27, 2020 23:05:51 GMT -5
Easily my favorite year end top 10 1985 Year-End Top 10 1. Careless Whisper - Wham! (#1, February) 2. Like a Virgin - Madonna (#1, December 1984) 3. Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go - Wham! (#1, November 1984) 4. I Want To Know What Love Is - Foreigner (#1, February) 5. I Feel For You - Chaka Khan (#3, November 1984) 6. Out Of Touch - Daryl Hall & John Oates (#1, December 1984) 7. Everybody Wants To Rule The World - Tears For Fears (#1, June) 8. Money For Nothing - Dire Straits (#1, September) 9. Crazy For You - Madonna (#1, May) 10. Take On Me - a-ha (#1, October) I keep forgetting that Careless Whisper was the biggest hit of 1985. Not that it's a bad thing (it's still fondly remembered today), but even though I wasn't alive back then, I've always felt Like A Virgin had more of an impact on music going forward as it was the single that made Madonna a titan of popular music. George Michael is an undeniable legend (RIP), but it feels weird to say that he had two year-end chart-toppers in the same decade. Again, at least Careless Whisper is still hailed as the definitive '80s sex jam, unlike Faith, which is essentially the precursor to Shape of You.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 23:07:47 GMT -5
Easily my favorite year end top 10 1985 Year-End Top 10 1. Careless Whisper - Wham! (#1, February) 2. Like a Virgin - Madonna (#1, December 1984) 3. Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go - Wham! (#1, November 1984) 4. I Want To Know What Love Is - Foreigner (#1, February) 5. I Feel For You - Chaka Khan (#3, November 1984) 6. Out Of Touch - Daryl Hall & John Oates (#1, December 1984) 7. Everybody Wants To Rule The World - Tears For Fears (#1, June) 8. Money For Nothing - Dire Straits (#1, September) 9. Crazy For You - Madonna (#1, May) 10. Take On Me - a-ha (#1, October) I keep forgetting that Careless Whisper was the biggest hit of 1985. Not that it's a bad thing (it's still fondly remembered today), but even though I wasn't alive back then, I've always felt Like A Virgin had more of an impact on music going forward as it was Madonna's massive breakthrough single. George Michael is an undeniable legend (RIP), but it feels weird to say that he had two year-end chart-toppers in the same decade. Again, at least Careless Whisper is still hailed as the definitive '80s sex jam, unlike Faith, which is essentially the precursor to Shape of You. She had Holiday and Borderline in '84, but Like A Virgin was the song that cemented her superstar status.
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Post by gabe on Dec 27, 2020 23:19:06 GMT -5
like there are literally 25 Christmas songs ahead of it π. It'd be at 13 in a normal week which is still a steep drop but nowhere near as bad as 69/Nicki or even BTS Big dips for Taylor & BTs AWWWWW. The Not-So Swifties & Fail Army will get a brown lump in heir stockings. Also got to be honest like Circles Blinding Lights should've been gone LONG ago. Pepperidge Farms remembers when in 52 weeks Michael or Janet Jackson would have 7 Top 10 hits in the same time those two lingered around like molding cheese in a mouse trap. what the fuck does any of this mean?
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Post by hughster1 on Dec 27, 2020 23:49:45 GMT -5
Easily my favorite year end top 10 1985 Year-End Top 10 1. Careless Whisper - Wham! (#1, February) 2. Like a Virgin - Madonna (#1, December 1984) 3. Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go - Wham! (#1, November 1984) 4. I Want To Know What Love Is - Foreigner (#1, February) 5. I Feel For You - Chaka Khan (#3, November 1984) 6. Out Of Touch - Daryl Hall & John Oates (#1, December 1984) 7. Everybody Wants To Rule The World - Tears For Fears (#1, June) 8. Money For Nothing - Dire Straits (#1, September) 9. Crazy For You - Madonna (#1, May) 10. Take On Me - a-ha (#1, October) I keep forgetting that Careless Whisper was the biggest hit of 1985. Not that it's a bad thing (it's still fondly remembered today), but even though I wasn't alive back then, I've always felt Like A Virgin had more of an impact on music going forward as it was the single that made Madonna a titan of popular music. George Michael is an undeniable legend (RIP), but it feels weird to say that he had two year-end chart-toppers in the same decade. Again, at least Careless Whisper is still hailed as the definitive '80s sex jam, unlike Faith, which is essentially the precursor to Shape of You. I still remember going to the bookstore at the mall to check out the year-end Billboard ('cause that's what we used to have to do in the pre-Internet age, kids) and being really surprised that it was "Careless Whisper" and not "Like a Virgin" at number one for the year. I think "Virgin", which hit the charts in November, lost a few weeks to the previous chart year, and might have had its chart run shortened a bit by the releases of "Material Girl" and "Crazy for You," whereas I think "Careless Whisper" had its entire chart run during the 1985 chart year. That might have made the difference. But even at the time, I think you'd have to say that "Like a Virgin" was the more impactful hit.
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Post by hughster1 on Dec 28, 2020 0:10:20 GMT -5
Wait so with Run Rudolph Run expected to crack the top ten won't that give Chuck Berry the longest break between top tens? and also the record for longest time between first and latest top tens, or maybe Dean Martin at number eight but it definitely won't be Wham. Chuck's last top ten was '72, Dean's was '66, so Dean would win, but I think Burl Ives still gets longest gap between top tens with 56 years and 7 months. Between first and most recent, it depends if you're counting Hot 100 (which began in August 1958) or not. If you aren't, then I think Dean takes that one. If you are, though, both first hit the Top Ten of the Hot 100 in '64, and Brenda, Burl, Bobby Helms (with the same song), and Andy Williams all have longer spans.
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Post by anecdote on Dec 28, 2020 5:10:07 GMT -5
like there are literally 25 Christmas songs ahead of it π. It'd be at 13 in a normal week which is still a steep drop but nowhere near as bad as 69/Nicki or even BTS Big dips for Taylor & BTs AWWWWW. The Not-So Swifties & Fail Army will get a brown lump in heir stockings. Also got to be honest like Circles Blinding Lights should've been gone LONG ago. Pepperidge Farms remembers when in 52 weeks Michael or Janet Jackson would have 7 Top 10 hits in the same time those two lingered around like molding cheese in a mouse trap. Ms. Swift has two albums in the top ten for yet another week, and she holds steady at no. 1 with Evermore for another week, after having spent 8 weeks at no. 1 earlier this year with Folklore. I am sure the Swifties are celebrating.
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Dec 28, 2020 6:24:30 GMT -5
like there are literally 25 Christmas songs ahead of it π. It'd be at 13 in a normal week which is still a steep drop but nowhere near as bad as 69/Nicki or even BTS Big dips for Taylor & BTs AWWWWW. The Not-So Swifties & Fail Army will get a brown lump in heir stockings. Also got to be honest like Circles Blinding Lights should've been gone LONG ago. Pepperidge Farms remembers when in 52 weeks Michael or Janet Jackson would have 7 Top 10 hits in the same time those two lingered around like molding cheese in a mouse trap. There's only radio to blame here for letting these songs overshadow other tracks from their respective projects. "After Hours" and "Hollywood's Bleeding" were brimming with excellent single material ("In Your Eyes" and "Take What You Want"), but despite any push they got, radio only stuck with the aforementioned. Guess this is also a product of the streaming era in general. Album cycles from Michael and Janet lasted significantly longer compared to these days, which allowed them to push more singles in such time span, helped by radio knowing how to drop songs once they're done with their run. This was also what happened for other impressive eras like Usher's "Confessions" (5 top 10 hits) and Katy Perry's "Teenage Dream" (6 top 10 hits + 2 from reissue). Meanwhile, these days, the album cycle is basically done once the album is released, unless you're still establishing yourself like Dua Lipa and Harry Styles. It's a shame, since there are so many great tracks that never get the opportunity to gain mass exposure anymore, but it is what it is.
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Post by leoapp on Dec 28, 2020 6:33:27 GMT -5
I keep forgetting that Careless Whisper was the biggest hit of 1985. Not that it's a bad thing (it's still fondly remembered today), but even though I wasn't alive back then, I've always felt Like A Virgin had more of an impact on music going forward as it was Madonna's massive breakthrough single. George Michael is an undeniable legend (RIP), but it feels weird to say that he had two year-end chart-toppers in the same decade. Again, at least Careless Whisper is still hailed as the definitive '80s sex jam, unlike Faith, which is essentially the precursor to Shape of You. She had Holiday and Borderline in '84, but Like A Virgin was the song that cemented her superstar status. Well, Like A Virgin already hit no. 1 in December 1984, so its chart points were divided for 1984 and 1985
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Post by anecdote on Dec 28, 2020 7:04:05 GMT -5
She had Holiday and Borderline in '84, but Like A Virgin was the song that cemented her superstar status. Well, Like A Virgin already hit no. 1 in December 1984, so its chart points were divided for 1984 and 1985 Didn't the chart year run from November to November back then too like it does now? I personally think any ranking prior to the Sound Scan era should be taken with a grain of salt since they're not based on actual sales or airplay but rather on what record store owners thought was popular.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 28, 2020 8:53:44 GMT -5
^Stores, like radio, submitted ranked reports of their most popular songs/singles. In essence, if a single was a big hit across the major charts of the time- Billboard, Radio & Records and CashBox (plus Record World up through 1982), then they were undisputed hits, based on the methodologies at their disposal It's not like there were regular instances of the CashBox situation with Wayne Newton's "The Letter." :)
Hopefully "Mele Kalikimaka" hits the chart, as it would mark the first appearance by one of the most successful and important girl groups- The Andrews Sisters. The ladies were among the biggest acts from the late 1930s through the early 1950s.
Would also like to see "Linus and Lucy" appear, as it was No. 8 Recurrent last week, though it's not in TOTC's predictions.
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Post by otaviohmg on Dec 28, 2020 9:15:14 GMT -5
BL will survive i saw on kworb he had increase in audience
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Post by imbondz on Dec 28, 2020 9:23:05 GMT -5
Easily my favorite year end top 10 1985 Year-End Top 10 1. Careless Whisper - Wham! (#1, February) 2. Like a Virgin - Madonna (#1, December 1984) 3. Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go - Wham! (#1, November 1984) 4. I Want To Know What Love Is - Foreigner (#1, February) 5. I Feel For You - Chaka Khan (#3, November 1984) 6. Out Of Touch - Daryl Hall & John Oates (#1, December 1984) 7. Everybody Wants To Rule The World - Tears For Fears (#1, June) 8. Money For Nothing - Dire Straits (#1, September) 9. Crazy For You - Madonna (#1, May) 10. Take On Me - a-ha (#1, October) I keep forgetting that Careless Whisper was the biggest hit of 1985. Not that it's a bad thing (it's still fondly remembered today), but even though I wasn't alive back then, I've always felt Like A Virgin had more of an impact on music going forward as it was the single that made Madonna a titan of popular music. George Michael is an undeniable legend (RIP), but it feels weird to say that he had two year-end chart-toppers in the same decade. Again, at least Careless Whisper is still hailed as the definitive '80s sex jam, unlike Faith, which is essentially the precursor to Shape of You. Like A Virgin split years I think. Careless Whisper was gigantic that year. Im more surprised it only had 3 weeks at #1.
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 28, 2020 9:27:31 GMT -5
"Like A Virgin" first hit #1 on the chart dated December 22, 1984. I assume the first chart of the 1985 chart year was the December 1, 1984 chart, so "LAV" surely lost a few weeks to the previous chart year.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Dec 28, 2020 9:28:28 GMT -5
kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2020/12/28
1(=) 24kGoldn - Mood (feat. iann dior) 132.16(-0.94) 2(=) Chris Brown & Young Thug - Go Crazy 118.94(+0.02) 3(=) Justin Bieber - Holy (feat. Chance the Rapper) 111.78(-0.85) 4(=) Ariana Grande - positions 107.41(-0.70) 5(=) Drake - Laugh Now Cry Later (feat. Lil Durk) 98.29(-0.32) 6(=) Ava Max - Kings & Queens 94.00(-0.62) 7(=) Gabby Barrett - I Hope (feat. Charlie Puth) 84.61(+1.51) 8(+1) The Weeknd - Blinding Lights 76.37(+2.78) 9(-1) AJR - Bang! 75.95(-0.01) 10(=) Dua Lipa - Levitating (feat. DaBaby) 67.66(-0.36)
26(+9) Ed Sheeran - Afterglow 38.87(+4.11)
30(+2) Megan Thee Stallion - Body 36.44(+0.85)
52(+2) Taylor Swift - willow 26.34(+0.44)
91(-1) CJ - Whoopty 16.49(+0.55) -(-) Luis Fonsi & Farruko - Perfecta 12.87(+0.54) -(-) Kem - Live Out Your Love f/T.Braxton 8.82(+0.41)
-(-) Nio Garcia & Casper Magico - Travesuras 3.40(+1.20) +
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Dec 28, 2020 9:32:41 GMT -5
For the record, the 1985 year-end covered the charts dated November 17, 1984 to November 16, 1985, except for the Pop Singles chart, whose period extended to the December 7th, 1985 charts.
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 28, 2020 9:38:20 GMT -5
For the record, the 1985 year-end covered the charts dated November 17, 1984 to November 16,1985, except for the Pop Singles chart, whose period extended to the December 7th, 1985 charts. Oh wow, early cut off. That means "LAV" had 5 weeks of eligible charting in the 1985 chart year before it hit #1.
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Post by fengyu on Dec 28, 2020 10:15:27 GMT -5
26(+9) Ed Sheeran - Afterglow 38.87(+4.11) how is ed sheeran getting such huge increases in radio audiences every day when people aren't that interested in the song on streaming...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 10:34:05 GMT -5
She had Holiday and Borderline in '84, but Like A Virgin was the song that cemented her superstar status. Well, Like A Virgin already hit no. 1 in December 1984, so its chart points were divided for 1984 and 1985 Like a Virgin was released on October 31. I don't have handy the tracking dates for 1985 year end but Billboard in general was even earlier than now on its cut off date of mid November, my guess is Like A Virgin got all its points counted. Careless Whisper did have more T40 and T100 weeks. I didn't check T10 weeks. Virgin also fell fast 1-9-17. #3 Also by Wham had an August US release date and definitely would have lost points.
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 28, 2020 10:39:18 GMT -5
Well, Like A Virgin already hit no. 1 in December 1984, so its chart points were divided for 1984 and 1985 Like a Virgin was released on October 31. I don't have handy the tracking dates for 1985 year end but Billboard in general was even earlier than now on its cut off date of mid November, my guess is Like A Virgin got all its points counted. Careless Whisper did have more T40 and T100 weeks. I didn't check T10 weeks. Virgin also fell fast 1-9-17. #3 Also by Wham had an August US release date and definitely would have lost points. Good catch on the #3 "WMUBYGG." It actually hit #1 before "Like A Virgin." It first hit #1 on the chart dated November 17, 1984. Even if that was the first week of the chart year, it obviously didn't have its run up the chart counted for 1985. It's really impressive it finished at #3. Wow.
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Post by otaviohmg on Dec 28, 2020 10:49:15 GMT -5
26(+9) Ed Sheeran - Afterglow 38.87(+4.11) how is ed sheeran getting such huge increases in radio audiences every day when people aren't that interested in the song on streaming... aloyap
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 10:54:26 GMT -5
Like a Virgin was released on October 31. I don't have handy the tracking dates for 1985 year end but Billboard in general was even earlier than now on its cut off date of mid November, my guess is Like A Virgin got all its points counted. Careless Whisper did have more T40 and T100 weeks. I didn't check T10 weeks. Virgin also fell fast 1-9-17. #3 Also by Wham had an August US release date and definitely would have lost points. Good catch on the #3 "WMUBYGG." It actually hit #1 before "Like A Virgin." It first hit #1 on the chart dated November 17, 1984. Even if that was the first week of the chart year, it obviously didn't have its run up the chart counted for 1985. It's really impressive it finished at #3. Wow. 11th week on the chart when it hit #1.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Dec 28, 2020 10:58:54 GMT -5
Yea. It is well established by now that the chart is not the straight up top 100 songs. So songs missing from the list isn't that big a deal anymore or a shock. My take is, if you are going to have recurrent rules, then use those rules. It shouldn't be an on off switch. If you go recurrent,you stay recurrent. im not advocating for recurrency. Just if it exists, follow it. so you say that BL shouldn't re-enter, despite being the most consumed song of the week (it won't be, but for example). and all that just because he needed 2 points for the top 25 (filled with 20 Xmas songs). Sounds like theyβre saying it shouldnβt disappear at all, especially if itβs all but certain to return just because of an arbitrary position-placement above/below #25. I donβt disagree either.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Dec 28, 2020 11:12:35 GMT -5
There's literally Christmas songs still at #1, #2 and #3 on Dec. 26, and the #1's streams is like the weakest all year, since who even knows how long ago. No one is streaming the current hits, something is seriously wrong lol Wouldn't another reason be that 90% of current hits are crap? If you hate music of today, why are you even here posting in threads about it?
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Dec 28, 2020 11:17:33 GMT -5
kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2020/12/28
8(+1) The Weeknd - Blinding Lights 76.37(+2.78) 9(-1) AJR - Bang! 75.95(-0.01)
Blinding Lights not going recurrent confirmed!!!
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Post by forg on Dec 28, 2020 11:26:37 GMT -5
If Last Christmas won't make it to the top 10, please don't be #11 again at least lol
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 11:57:31 GMT -5
Wouldn't another reason be that 90% of current hits are crap? If you hate music of today, why are you even here posting in threads about it? Do you need to actually like the music to be interested in what happens on the chart? i haven't seen a movie in a theatre in about a decade. I still check out the weekend box office charts.
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Post by at40fansince1984 on Dec 28, 2020 12:00:46 GMT -5
I've got the Billboard Year-End issue for every year since 1988 but 1. Does anybody know if they still sell single issues as I'd like to have this years too but saw nothing about ordering single issues on their site.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Dec 28, 2020 12:17:41 GMT -5
If you hate music of today, why are you even here posting in threads about it? Do you need to actually like the music to be interested in what happens on the chart? i haven't seen a movie in a theatre in about a decade. I still check out the weekend box office charts. Theyβve shown no interest in the charts at all. Every post they make is a negative about the music today that is also either ageist or borderline racist. Would you check out the weekend box office charts if 90% of the movies on there made you miserable for some reason?
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