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Post by kingvavis on Dec 28, 2020 6:58:51 GMT -5
Like I mentioned, a lot of the big pop songs this year relied a lot on radio for its popularity. If you look at the most streamed songs in the US like here m.hitsdailydouble.com/streaming_songs you will see that 7 of the 10 most streamed songs are hip hop. Not to say there were no big pop songs, but hip hop songs are more dominant in the future of the charts which is streaming where as radio is not the future. Yes, but it's definitely not as dire as perhaps 2017 or 2018. True about 2018, 2017 was more interesting since the two most streamed songs of that year we're pop (Shape of You, Despacito) but the rest were hip hop.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Dec 28, 2020 6:59:50 GMT -5
And that's "all the rappers" to you? Post Malone has never made RAP music so I wouldn't call him a rapper. He's a pop singer who incorporates hip-hop elements in his music sometimes. DaBaby featuring on a Dua Lipa single doesn't mean he's now making pop songs, not when 99% of his music is still rap-oriented. Ok fair enough. But, the US haven't had a rap song at #1 on Spotify since late October regardless (Lemonade), and there have been 8 #1 songs since. Sure but that doesn't change the fact that rap is still unbelievably dominant and the only organic number ones this year outside of Blinding Lights were Mood, ROCKSTAR, and The Box
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Post by Enigma. on Dec 28, 2020 7:03:05 GMT -5
Ok fair enough. But, the US haven't had a rap song at #1 on Spotify since late October regardless (Lemonade), and there have been 8 #1 songs since. Sure but that doesn't change the fact that rap is still unbelievably dominant and the only organic number ones this year outside of Blinding Lights were Mood, ROCKSTAR, and The Box I think AIWFCIY for instance is the most organic of them all, but hey what do I know...
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Dec 28, 2020 7:16:16 GMT -5
Sure but that doesn't change the fact that rap is still unbelievably dominant and the only organic number ones this year outside of Blinding Lights were Mood, ROCKSTAR, and The Box I think AIWFCIY for instance is the most organic of them all, but hey what do I know... Wouldn't AIWFCIY not be organic though since it's been: a. tied to holiday and b. it's been a staple for said holiday for about two decades now. Blinding Lights, Mood, ROCKSTAR, and The Box weren't tied with any season, they didn't have any big name remixes (or at least any remixes they had weren't big enough to count towards the charts), and outside of the eeh-err of The Box, none of the songs were even tied to any memes
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 28, 2020 7:52:52 GMT -5
US Spotify - 12/26/20
1( +3) Ariana Grande - 34+35 766,537 ( +39,264) 12/26 or 12/27?
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Post by gikem on Dec 28, 2020 8:06:19 GMT -5
Another record-low #1 on Spotify, but given that it was a Sunday, I expect big recoveries tomorrow.
Also, 6 Christmas songs still charting. Is that a record for 12/27? (EDIT: I'm excluding Snowman and Holiday)
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Post by Groovy on Dec 28, 2020 8:39:48 GMT -5
Ok fair enough. But, the US haven't had a rap song at #1 on Spotify since late October regardless (Lemonade), and there have been 8 #1 songs since. Sure but that doesn't change the fact that rap is still unbelievably dominant and the only organic number ones this year outside of Blinding Lights were Mood, ROCKSTAR, and The Box What about Circles?
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Dec 28, 2020 8:42:06 GMT -5
Sure but that doesn't change the fact that rap is still unbelievably dominant and the only organic number ones this year outside of Blinding Lights were Mood, ROCKSTAR, and The Box What about Circles? okay NEW number ones. Had it not been for the Christmas Freeze, Circles would've been number one throughout December so it doesn't count
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 28, 2020 8:48:21 GMT -5
Yeah, at this point, it's expected that the biggest holiday tracks will re-enter annually and climb to their expected high points. Not much organic about that at this point. They're a category separate from "regular" recurrent tracks that return to the spotlight, whether as a result from social media or an act's passing. For instance, the re-entry of "Dreams" and holding on as it did for a few weeks was a nice surprise- while social media was the catalyst behind its resurgence, that led to the streams and sales required to chart as it did.
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Post by Enigma. on Dec 28, 2020 8:54:20 GMT -5
I don't get what is inorganic about Xmas hits? They are 1) reflection of how streaming has become #1 way to consume music 2) songs that everyone likes
Shouldn't they do well on charts just based on these two aspects? How a basic streaming hit which is consumed by 30% of those who listen to Brenda Lee is more "organic"?
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Post by Groovy on Dec 28, 2020 8:55:04 GMT -5
okay NEW number ones. Had it not been for the Christmas Freeze, Circles would've been number one throughout December so it doesn't count Wouldn't WAP count too? It had great sales and streaming with a little bit of a radio run with no remixes that I can think of.
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Post by Groovy on Dec 28, 2020 8:58:29 GMT -5
Afterglow has been a big let down on streaming, I know it had to deal with all the Christmas music but now that that's gone, it's still not on the charts on Spotify.
Edit: Nevermind, it's at 36.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Dec 28, 2020 9:11:30 GMT -5
Afterglow has been a big let down on streaming, I know it had to deal with all the Christmas music but now that that's gone, it's still on the charts on Spotify. Edit: Nevermind, it's at 36. Payola is definitely saving Afterglow's ass It only has 377,559 on Spotify while already having a rather underwhelming debut and yet it's already at #26 on radio, above songs like 34+35, Body, DÁKITI, willow, HOLIDAY, What You Know Bout Love, Monster, Golden, Mr. Right Now, my ex's best friend, and you broke me first
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Post by Groovy on Dec 28, 2020 9:14:06 GMT -5
Afterglow has been a big let down on streaming, I know it had to deal with all the Christmas music but now that that's gone, it's still on the charts on Spotify. Edit: Nevermind, it's at 36. Payola is definitely saving Afterglow's ass It only has 377,559 on Spotify while already having a rather underwhelming debut and yet it's already at #26 on radio, above songs like 34+35, Body, DÁKITI, willow, HOLIDAY, What You Know Bout Love, Monster, Golden, Mr. Right Now, my ex's best friend, and you broke me first That and sales, it's 2 on iTunes.
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Post by kcdawg13 on Dec 28, 2020 9:23:18 GMT -5
I mean, there has been kind of a pattern since the 90s of the pendulum swinging back and forth between Pop and Hip-Hop being more represented on the Hot 100. 1980s-1992: Pop 1993-1996: Hip-Hop (Peak: 1995) 1997-2001: Pop (Peak: 1999 or 2000) 2002-2007: Hip-Hop (Peak: 2004) 2008- 2015: Pop (Peak: 2010) 2016-Present: Hip-Hop (Peak: Likely to be 2018) Now, that's not to say that the other genre is completely dead during the time where one genre dominates, but it either takes a back seat (Pop in the Mid 2000s) or incorporates more elements from the dominant genre (Hip-Hop in the Early 2010s). Keep in mind, this is only what I've noticed, so I could be wrong. I know all about the cycles. What I'm criticizing is the impatience of popheads who can't stand when rap is dominant, so they leap as soon as possible at anything (or even nothing) they can use to say the next year is going to be when pop comes back and shoves everything else into the corner. I've been hearing the same thing every Winter since 2018. And I don't think Rap and R&B fans complain as much when Pop is dominant. And I'm not saying you (or kcdawg) are the most guilty of this, you just happen to be the people opening the discussion this time. Others on this forum in the past have been more clearly disdainful while making their proclamations. I have nothing against Hip-Hop, I love Hip-Hop and I think the downbeat trap era is not bad at all. I'm just simply stating that a post-pandemic world would probably be the best foot forward for the pendulum to swing back Pop's way, as people will be likely partying all the time. If COVID didn't exist, I'm not sure if Pop would make a huge comeback this swiftly.
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Dec 28, 2020 9:57:10 GMT -5
Afterglow has been a big let down on streaming, I know it had to deal with all the Christmas music but now that that's gone, it's still on the charts on Spotify. Edit: Nevermind, it's at 36. Payola is definitely saving Afterglow's ass It only has 377,559 on Spotify while already having a rather underwhelming debut and yet it's already at #26 on radio, above songs like 34+35, Body, DÁKITI, willow, HOLIDAY, What You Know Bout Love, Monster, Golden, Mr. Right Now, my ex's best friend, and you broke me first I'd say it has a very strong radio deal, absolutely. However, I usually only qualify a boost as payola when the song gets consistent negative callouts but still keeps rising ("My Oh My", "Hey Look Ma, I Made It"), and even then it's tricky. But yeah, be it from Sheeran or from his label/team, this definitely wasn't meant to be just a little gift.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 10:04:32 GMT -5
I mean sure, if you only list hip hop songs and ignore all the huge pop songs then yeah maybe hip hop dominated. But if you look at the 2020 year end, pop songs are at #1 (Blinding Lights), #2 (Circles), #4 (Don't Start Now), #6 (Adore You), #8 (Memories), and #10 (Someone You Loved) while hip hop only has The Box at #3, Rockstar at #5, and Life is Good at #7. This extends even further down the chart too: from 11-20, there's 5 pop songs, 1 country song, and 4 hip hop songs. Like I mentioned, a lot of the big pop songs this year relied a lot on radio for its popularity. If you look at the most streamed songs in the US like here m.hitsdailydouble.com/streaming_songs you will see that 7 of the 10 most streamed songs are hip hop. Not to say there were no big pop songs, but hip hop songs are more dominant in the future of the charts which is streaming where as radio is not the future. But streaming isn't the only way that music is consumed. You can't just disqualify methods you don't like. Rap and hip hop have dominated streaming because that fan base adopted streaming for its method consumption. as pop, country, gospel etc fans switch to streaming, they will still listen to those genres. Not suddenly listen to rap simply because they now stream music.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 10:08:49 GMT -5
Seven of the top ten and 13 of the top 20 for the year were not hip hop. as those radio listeners transition to streaming, its likely they will demand the same type of music they demanded at radio, rather than suddenly All becoming hip hop fans. I expect all other genres to continue to grow significantly at streaming as radio and sales continue to die. Whereas most hip hop genre listeners already made the transition over the past few years. The songs I mentioned were the most streamed songs of the year which is the important metric to look at regarding the future of the charts since radio and sales will continue to decline throughout the decade. I will agree that there is portion of the pop audience that will transition over to streaming, but the question is if it will allow pop to eclipse hip hop in the next few years which I'm not convinced it will. If listeners will further abandon sales and radio, where will they go other than to streaming?
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Post by bigolefreak on Dec 28, 2020 11:16:42 GMT -5
WAP back in the Top 10 and only ~200K streams from #1, America just can't get enough Where's the second single Cardi, we're starving
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Post by starlord on Dec 28, 2020 11:26:56 GMT -5
WAP back in the Top 10 and only ~200K streams from #1, America just can't get enoughWhere's the second single Cardi, we're starving Seriously Sis? Juice wrld got 15 songs top 200. This is just because of PLAYLISTS. All the streaming numbers are relative.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Dec 28, 2020 11:41:51 GMT -5
And that's "all the rappers" to you? Post Malone has never made RAP music so I wouldn't call him a rapper. He's a pop singer who incorporates hip-hop elements in his music sometimes. DaBaby featuring on a Dua Lipa single doesn't mean he's now making pop songs, not when 99% of his music is still rap-oriented. Ok fair enough. But, the US haven't had a rap song at #1 on Spotify since late October regardless (Lemonade), and there have been 8 #1 songs since. Hmm. Well, at least 8/10 most-consumed acts in the US this year are rappers. Same with albums (5/10 most-consumed albums of the year are rap albums) and same with singles (7/10 most-consumed songs of the year are rap songs) but when you flip over to radio airplay, there's only three rappers in the top 10 most-played acts this year. I believe we'll continue to see more of that as the years go by. Pop stars will always get more airplay while rappers will get more pure consumption through streaming. Next year should be eventful because many of the biggest rappers will be dropping albums.
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Post by kingvavis on Dec 28, 2020 11:46:55 GMT -5
Like I mentioned, a lot of the big pop songs this year relied a lot on radio for its popularity. If you look at the most streamed songs in the US like here m.hitsdailydouble.com/streaming_songs you will see that 7 of the 10 most streamed songs are hip hop. Not to say there were no big pop songs, but hip hop songs are more dominant in the future of the charts which is streaming where as radio is not the future. But streaming isn't the only way that music is consumed. You can't just disqualify methods you don't like. Rap and hip hop have dominated streaming because that fan base adopted streaming for its method consumption. as pop, country, gospel etc fans switch to streaming, they will still listen to those genres. Not suddenly listen to rap simply because they now stream music. Of course I don't think streaming is the only form of music consumption, however streaming will be the most dominant form of consumption throughout this decade as the other forms are in decline.
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Post by kingvavis on Dec 28, 2020 11:54:25 GMT -5
Ok fair enough. But, the US haven't had a rap song at #1 on Spotify since late October regardless (Lemonade), and there have been 8 #1 songs since. Hmm. Well, at least 8/10 most-consumed acts in the US this year are rappers. Same with albums (5/10 most-consumed albums of the year are rap albums) and same with singles (7/10 most-consumed songs of the year are rap songs) but when you flip over to radio airplay, there's only three rappers in the top 10 most-played acts this year. I believe we'll continue to see more of that as the years go by. Pop stars will always get more airplay while rappers will get more pure consumption through streaming. Next year should be eventful because many of the biggest rappers will be dropping albums. The fact that 2020 was still so big for rap without the big name releases like in 2018 (Drake, Travis, Cardi B, J Cole, etc) shows that rap is not gonna be surpassed for a while.
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Post by amid on Dec 28, 2020 11:55:17 GMT -5
Lil Durk is doing wayyy better than Playboi Carti on Apple Music. Lil Durk is barely mainstream meanwhile WLR was one of the most anticipated releases of the year. I guess this proves that actual quality still does matter in the music industry.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Dec 28, 2020 12:02:21 GMT -5
But streaming isn't the only way that music is consumed. You can't just disqualify methods you don't like. Rap and hip hop have dominated streaming because that fan base adopted streaming for its method consumption. as pop, country, gospel etc fans switch to streaming, they will still listen to those genres. Not suddenly listen to rap simply because they now stream music. Of course I don't think streaming is the only form of music consumption, however streaming will be the most dominant form of consumption throughout this decade as the other forms are in decline. As of this year, streaming is 85% of all music consumption in the US. I think you have every right to only give a damn about how an artist performs on streaming. The biggest songs, albums and artists throughout this decade will be the ones who can dominate streaming for long periods of time. Sales and radio are dying yearly and that'll keep happening for the foreseeable future, while streaming, at worse, will plateau, but it still has lots of room to grow in the US and particularly in the overall global music market. I think another point missing from this rap/pop music debate is the fact that rap gets way more new stars every year than pop does. I mean, in the last year alone, Roddy Ricch, Megan Thee Stallion, DaBaby, Doja Cat and Lil Baby have all established themselves as mainstream commercial forces in their own right, meanwhile, it's not like the staple massive acts in rap have disappeared or lost their powers. They're still there - they just haven't dropped new albums yet. Like I said in a previous post, 2021 will be a most eventful year in music with most rappers who didn't drop this year/haven't dropped in the last few years dropping albums.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 12:05:43 GMT -5
But streaming isn't the only way that music is consumed. You can't just disqualify methods you don't like. Rap and hip hop have dominated streaming because that fan base adopted streaming for its method consumption. as pop, country, gospel etc fans switch to streaming, they will still listen to those genres. Not suddenly listen to rap simply because they now stream music. Of course I don't think streaming is the only form of music consumption, however streaming will be the most dominant form of consumption throughout this decade as the other forms are in decline. They are in decline because those music lovers are slowly adopting streaming. You will therefore see increased streams for their favourite genres. there aren't a lot of rap listeners to still leave sales and radio, so therefore there will be little growth in overall streams of that genre over the coming decade.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 12:12:45 GMT -5
Of course I don't think streaming is the only form of music consumption, however streaming will be the most dominant form of consumption throughout this decade as the other forms are in decline. As of this year, streaming is 85% of all music consumption in the US. Based on a methodology made up by someone trying to merge consumption methods. there is absolutely no way 85 percent of every song listened to in the US was done on streaming. Not a chance.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Dec 28, 2020 12:17:51 GMT -5
As of this year, streaming is 85% of all music consumption in the US. Based on a methodology made up by someone trying to merge consumption methods. there is absolutely no way 85 percent of every song listened to in the US was done on streaming. Not a chance. Lol, okay.
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Post by Golden Bluebird on Dec 28, 2020 12:22:14 GMT -5
Lil Durk is doing wayyy better than Playboi Carti on Apple Music. Lil Durk is barely mainstream meanwhile WLR was one of the most anticipated releases of the year. I guess this proves that actual quality still does matter in the music industry. I wouldn't call Lil Durk "barely mainstream". While he didn't have any big hits besides "Laugh Now Cry Later", his albums this year including this recent one have performed quite well and it wouldn't be inaccurate to say that he's one of the biggest rappers of the year. Also, while Whole Lotta Red was very highly anticipated, it's not like Playboi Carti was ever really that big. He has a very passionate cult following, but in terms of charting presence, his biggest hit "Magnolia" only peaked at #29, and his previous album Die Lit only yielded one charting song. While he's definitely a popular rapper, he's not on the level of rappers like Lil Baby, DaBaby, and Roddy Ricch when it comes to commercial success.
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Post by Groovy on Dec 28, 2020 12:25:19 GMT -5
I don't see pop overtaking rap in streaming especially on Apple Music where hip hop is very dominant.
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