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Post by kcdawg13 on Feb 3, 2021 13:24:03 GMT -5
Was not expecting action to be taken this swiftly LMAO
This is good, dude had his second chance in December when he was allowed to be back on SNL despite not caring about the pandemic, there's no reason to give this man a third chance.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Feb 3, 2021 13:24:48 GMT -5
Iβm from the NYC area so I actually never heard of Morgan Wallen until today. But a country artist caught being racist? Shocker. Iβm pleasantly surprised to see that the rather conservative country music industry is punishing him already. That alone is progress. I would have been here for this if they said they dropped him from their label. That's a more radical response. This just seems like it's meant to pacify people and act like it's more fiery than it actually is. Correct me if Iβm wrong, but if they dropped him couldnβt another label swoop in and sign him tomorrow? It seems this way is actually greater punishment since it effectively chains him to a label that refuses to promote him. He could always sign with another label if he got dropped by his current label but knowing how labels usually structure contracts, if his label really wanted, they could find a way to make his current situation a way of him jeopardizing his contract and violating the terms of his deal and he could get really punished that way. There are likely some wild financial repercussions included in his contract in the event that he ever does anything to jeopardize it. Some contracts can state that for a specific period of time, you make no money from all the funds your recordings generate and that can be anywhere from months to years, depending on what you agreed on. Artists never expect that they'll breach their contracts so they usually agree to whatever the labels suggest as punishement in the event that they do. His label is only suspending him because they want to build him up to be a mainstream star so they can make as much money from him for as long as possible. They lose in the long run if they drop him and they know. |
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Post by velaxti on Feb 3, 2021 13:35:34 GMT -5
This is the biggest over-reaction with history. I reckon if Morgan Wallen was put in prison for saying the N-word all you people would say "It's the right thing to do" or brainstorming ways to keep him in prison for longer.
Saying the N-word is considered to be worse nowadays by many people than things like getting a girl pregnant and abandoning her and the child. I think the latter is obviously a much worse thing to do, but you people clearly don't think this way.
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Post by wavey. on Feb 3, 2021 13:39:03 GMT -5
^Um...WHAT. Racism in Country has been a THING clearly, and this revelation proves that. So we shouldn't be jumping down his throat for what he said?! Just slap him on his wrist huh?  |
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Post by Groovy on Feb 3, 2021 13:39:40 GMT -5
To get away from Morgan Wallen for a minute, Sweater Weather is about 18 on Spotify rn.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Feb 3, 2021 13:44:34 GMT -5
This is the biggest over-reaction with history. I reckon if Morgan Wallen was put in prison for saying the N-word all you people would say "It's the right thing to do" or brainstorming ways to keep him in prison for longer. Saying the N-word is considered to be worse nowadays by many people than things like getting a girl pregnant and abandoning her and the child. I think the latter is obviously a much worse thing to do, but you people clearly don't think this way. |
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Feb 3, 2021 13:45:59 GMT -5
So this Morgan Wallen talk has opened up a debate that Iβve been thinking out for a while now, can you seperate the person from the artist? Personally, I assume every famous and rich person is trash and has done/said problematic things behind the scenes because no one is perfect so I'm hardly ever surprised when they get exposed. I'm a fan of people strictly for their artistic or athletic contributions to society and nothing else. I don't look up to any famous person as a role model or someone I should fashion my life after and I believe more people need to do the same. You shouldn't look up to a person simply because they're more rich, more famous and more successful than you are. This ^^^ After being fooled by fans into believing Brendon Urie had 'changed' from his very problematic past, I've really grown skeptical of celebrities - not to mention the pandemic really showed how much they live in their own privileged bubble (*coughs* Dua Lipa). And of course, how many of them have been unapologetically willing to give a platform to known sex offenders and abusers, from Nicki Minaj and Drake to Lady Gaga, Bruno Mars, and Mariah Carey. While I do believe the art and the artist are often intrinsically connected, especially in a medium so personal as music, I can look past some controversies and focus on their artistic contributions. Ultimately, it's a case-by-case situation, though. From my experience, I've struggled to separate the art from the artist when much of their persona and lyrics are related to their real life scandals. Otherwise, if the music resonates with me, I can appreciate it objectively, though I agree that depending on the offense, the individual doesn't deserve to have a platform and further industry support, especially when they have shown no growth. |
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Post by kcdawg13 on Feb 3, 2021 13:46:42 GMT -5
This is the biggest over-reaction with history. I reckon if Morgan Wallen was put in prison for saying the N-word all you people would say "It's the right thing to do" or brainstorming ways to keep him in prison for longer. Saying the N-word is considered to be worse nowadays by many people than things like getting a girl pregnant and abandoning her and the child. I think the latter is obviously a much worse thing to do, but you people clearly don't think this way. Serving "I can excuse racism" energy |
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Post by kacpi on Feb 3, 2021 13:49:05 GMT -5
This is the biggest over-reaction with history. I reckon if Morgan Wallen was put in prison for saying the N-word all you people would say "It's the right thing to do" or brainstorming ways to keep him in prison for longer. Saying the N-word is considered to be worse nowadays by many people than things like getting a girl pregnant and abandoning her and the child. I think the latter is obviously a much worse thing to do, but you people clearly don't think this way. this is the whitest shit i've ever seen on this website |
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Post by velaxti on Feb 3, 2021 13:49:22 GMT -5
This is the biggest over-reaction with history. I reckon if Morgan Wallen was put in prison for saying the N-word all you people would say "It's the right thing to do" or brainstorming ways to keep him in prison for longer. Saying the N-word is considered to be worse nowadays by many people than things like getting a girl pregnant and abandoning her and the child. I think the latter is obviously a much worse thing to do, but you people clearly don't think this way. What a pathetic response. So what do you think is worse, a father abandoning his child or a guy saying the N-word? This is the biggest over-reaction with history. I reckon if Morgan Wallen was put in prison for saying the N-word all you people would say "It's the right thing to do" or brainstorming ways to keep him in prison for longer. Saying the N-word is considered to be worse nowadays by many people than things like getting a girl pregnant and abandoning her and the child. I think the latter is obviously a much worse thing to do, but you people clearly don't think this way. this is the whitest s**t i've ever seen on this website Another pathetic response. What do you think is worse, a father abandoning his child or a guy saying the N-word? I think I know the answer. But I want to hear the truth from you people. Just admit it. |
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Post by korbel16 on Feb 3, 2021 13:49:49 GMT -5
This is the biggest over-reaction with history. I reckon if Morgan Wallen was put in prison for saying the N-word all you people would say "It's the right thing to do" or brainstorming ways to keep him in prison for longer. Saying the N-word is considered to be worse nowadays by many people than things like getting a girl pregnant and abandoning her and the child. I think the latter is obviously a much worse thing to do, but you people clearly don't think this way. a white man saying the N word, especially with the hard er is horribly disgusting..why do you feel the need to justify racism. |
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Post by Groovy on Feb 3, 2021 13:52:14 GMT -5
What a pathetic response. So what do you think is worse, a father abandoning his child or a guy saying the N-word? Why can't they both be bad? Why try to make a comparison to justify his doing? And he's not getting arrested let alone going to prison. |
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Post by suzcruz7 on Feb 3, 2021 13:52:21 GMT -5
This is the biggest over-reaction with history. I reckon if Morgan Wallen was put in prison for saying the N-word all you people would say "It's the right thing to do" or brainstorming ways to keep him in prison for longer. Saying the N-word is considered to be worse nowadays by many people than things like getting a girl pregnant and abandoning her and the child. I think the latter is obviously a much worse thing to do, but you people clearly don't think this way. Will never understand why some people bend themselves over backwards in foolishness to defend racist scumbags. There's so many country artists out there who are decent people and much MUCH more talented than Morgan. Support them instead. |
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Post by whales10268 on Feb 3, 2021 13:52:54 GMT -5
This is a shame that Wallen said this. Oh well. Luckily I listen to his music as an endorsement of his talent rather than to say I agree with his morals, so I will have no shame in continuing to bop to the best country album in a while.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Feb 3, 2021 13:53:24 GMT -5
If Eminem after promoting homophobia, misogyny, violence, abuse & rape his whole career is still having huge fanbase (that defends his every action), unwavered sales & relevance in popculture without sincere remorse then Morgan will be fine after this cools down coz his fans/MAGA guys will find excuses & explanations like stans do & ppl after few years will stop giving s**t if he's racist/not π¬ I feel like Eminemβs fans have (had?) more influence than Morganβs fans - but I suppose it depends because I donβt see the impacts of country fandom the way I have from alternative/rap that Eminem catered to. If anything, he might have fans of Toby Keith fans maybe? Idk. At any rate, I doubt Eminem would have as much an impact today if he came out with the same songs he started with back then and his continued popularity is probably more residual than anything. Heβs seen declines and his legacy is built around his abilities, successes (and controversies) but Iβm not sure time will treat him as well as we might think. |
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Post by kcdawg13 on Feb 3, 2021 13:53:40 GMT -5
Another pathetic response. What do you think is worse, a father abandoning his child or a guy saying the N-word? I think I know the answer. But I want to hear the truth from you people. Just admit it. I don't fully understand where this argument is coming from, what the f**k are you even talking about? These problems can co-exist you know. It's like saying "what's worse? Skin cancer or diabetes?" |
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Post by whales10268 on Feb 3, 2021 13:56:22 GMT -5
I think what heβs trying to say is celebrities do terrible things all the time, but itβs only saying the N word that actually has repercussions.
Iβm not a fan of whataboutism but it is interesting to think about what gets excused by listeners and what does not.
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Post by velaxti on Feb 3, 2021 13:56:47 GMT -5
This is the biggest over-reaction with history. I reckon if Morgan Wallen was put in prison for saying the N-word all you people would say "It's the right thing to do" or brainstorming ways to keep him in prison for longer. Saying the N-word is considered to be worse nowadays by many people than things like getting a girl pregnant and abandoning her and the child. I think the latter is obviously a much worse thing to do, but you people clearly don't think this way. a white man saying the N word, especially with the hard er is horribly disgusting..why do you feel the need to justify racism. Well, a better response. However, I am not justifying racism, I don't know where you go that from? Mugging a woman is bad, but less bad than raping a woman. I'm sure you agree. Saying the N-word is bad, but is less bad than punching your girlfriend, for example. |
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Post by korbel16 on Feb 3, 2021 13:58:39 GMT -5
Anyways, Iβm not surprised knowing i saw absolutely nothing from that Morgan guy when the BLM protests were happening.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Feb 3, 2021 13:59:48 GMT -5
a white man saying the N word, especially with the hard er is horribly disgusting..why do you feel the need to justify racism. Well, a better response. However, I am not justifying racism, I don't know where you go that from? Mugging a woman is bad, but less bad than raping a woman. I'm sure you agree. Saying the N-word is bad, but is less bad than punching your girlfriend, for example. Why are they being compared? Itβs like saying, βwell yeah, he shot that family of four while they slept but at least he didnβt burn down the entire building and kill hundreds of people so...letβs go easy on him.β |
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Post by π‘πππππ€ on Feb 3, 2021 13:59:50 GMT -5
Wouldnβt be surprised if Tom MacDonald tries to take Morgan Wallen under his wing as independent artists. Edit : it's begun, mf's destroying itunes chart iTunes really doesn't look that different at the moment. "7 Summers" & "More Than My Hometown" gained a little bit, but nothing really significant yet. Am I missing something? |
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Post by iggyamo on Feb 3, 2021 14:00:43 GMT -5
Another pathetic response. What do you think is worse, a father abandoning his child or a guy saying the N-word? I think I know the answer. But I want to hear the truth from you people. Just admit it. I don't fully understand where this argument is coming from, what the f**k are you even talking about? These problems can co-exist you know. It's like saying "what's worse? Skin cancer or diabetes?" Itβs called a red herring, he probably just backed himself into a corner. |
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Post by velaxti on Feb 3, 2021 14:02:38 GMT -5
Another pathetic response. What do you think is worse, a father abandoning his child or a guy saying the N-word? I think I know the answer. But I want to hear the truth from you people. Just admit it. I don't fully understand where this argument is coming from, what the f**k are you even talking about? These problems can co-exist you know. It's like saying "what's worse? Skin cancer or diabetes?" Yes. But it would be wrong if people got Government support when they had a sore throat, but didn't get Government support when they had cancer? I'm sure at least one person understands. But think about what I'm saying. |
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Post by jthentic on Feb 3, 2021 14:04:54 GMT -5
a white man saying the N word, especially with the hard er is horribly disgusting..why do you feel the need to justify racism. Well, a better response. However, I am not justifying racism, I don't know where you go that from? Mugging a woman is bad, but less bad than raping a woman. I'm sure you agree. Saying the N-word is bad, but is less bad than punching your girlfriend, for example. Bruh, What's your nxt Q? What's worse? Killing a guy or killing his whole family, his relatives, friends... ? gtfo |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Feb 3, 2021 14:04:57 GMT -5
I don't fully understand where this argument is coming from, what the f**k are you even talking about? These problems can co-exist you know. It's like saying "what's worse? Skin cancer or diabetes?" Yes. But it would be wrong if people got Government support when they had a sore throat, but didn't get Government support when they had cancer? I'm sure at least one person understands. But think about what I'm saying. I think I get what you mean. Being a racist who defends racism is bad but, trying to mask who you are by coming up with random what-aboutisms to hide the obvious racism is probably worse so... why not just say youβre racist and save yourself and everyone else the trouble in the long run. |
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Post by kcdawg13 on Feb 3, 2021 14:06:20 GMT -5
I don't fully understand where this argument is coming from, what the f**k are you even talking about? These problems can co-exist you know. It's like saying "what's worse? Skin cancer or diabetes?" Yes. But it would be wrong if people got Government support when they had a sore throat, but didn't get Government support when they had cancer? I'm sure at least one person understands. But think about what I'm saying. I get what you're trying to say but its a weak argument because tons of famous people have been cancelled for other situations aside from being racist, but they are famous so they usually bounce back. Let's not act like Morgan Wallen's career is over, once this s**t blows over he'll be picked back up and dropping radio hits. The Dixie Chicks on the other hand never got the chance to bounce back. EDIT: Also Marilyn Manson just got dropped from his label for allegedly beating/sexual assaulting his ex, which is different from saying the N-word right? So there you go. |
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Post by joshtheking on Feb 3, 2021 14:06:32 GMT -5
so are all Morgan Wallen songs gonna freefall on the Hot 100? lmao
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Post by lurker2 on Feb 3, 2021 14:08:02 GMT -5
Okay, velaxti, here's my thing with you. A part of me is looking at the Wallen situation, and thinking "Wait, they didn't do this to Dr Luke/Chris Brown because... why?" But just because the industry as a whole might be hypocritical, doesn't mean I can't support them doing what they're doing now. Stopping some injustice while being quiet about others is better than stopping no injustices. |
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Post by lurker2 on Feb 3, 2021 14:09:01 GMT -5
so are all Morgan Wallen songs gonna freefall on the Hot 100? lmao Very much so. He's got streaming from personal playlists and searches now, and sales. He will fall like the Titantic. |
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Post by suzcruz7 on Feb 3, 2021 14:09:52 GMT -5
Do they think that we on this forum wouldn't collectively blacklist people like Chris Brown and Tekashi 69 if we had that kind of power?? If the point is that artists need to face stronger consequences in general for being terrible people and hurting others, then I agree. But that doesn't make this particular backlash unjustified.
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