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Post by jthentic on Feb 3, 2021 14:09:52 GMT -5
Edit : it's begun, mf's destroying itunes chart iTunes really doesn't look that different at the moment. "7 Summers" & "More Than My Hometown" gained a little bit, but nothing really significant yet. Am I missing something? Look @album chart π¬π
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Post by m450n on Feb 3, 2021 14:10:23 GMT -5
This is a shame that Wallen said this. Oh well. Luckily I listen to his music as an endorsement of his talent rather than to say I agree with his morals, so I will have no shame in continuing to bop to the best country album in a while. i'm sorry but his album is mid at best. |
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Post by gikem on Feb 3, 2021 14:12:01 GMT -5
so are all Morgan Wallen songs gonna freefall on the Hot 100? lmao I mentioned it over in the 2021 YE thread, but More Than My Hometown and 7 Summers will likely suffer big losses these next couple of weeks because they're his two currently-charting radio singles and most stations have yanked support for his music. As for the other songs, they're more likely to remain stable this week because this happened late in the sales/streaming tracking period. Maybe some of the lower ones will take hits, but that might be more linked to Lil Durk's album bomb that's coming. |
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Post by π‘πππππ€ on Feb 3, 2021 14:13:55 GMT -5
iTunes really doesn't look that different at the moment. "7 Summers" & "More Than My Hometown" gained a little bit, but nothing really significant yet. Am I missing something? Look @album chart π¬π
*sigh* well... at least he only has 2 albums  |
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Feb 3, 2021 14:15:13 GMT -5
so are all Morgan Wallen songs gonna freefall on the Hot 100? lmao Very much so. He's got streaming from personal playlists and searches now, and sales. He will fall like the Titantic. But we will probably not see it for the 2/13 chart, since the streaming/sales tracking week is almost over (the album should still be able to get a 4th week at #1). The effects should be seen beginning with the 2/20 chart week. |
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Post by kcdawg13 on Feb 3, 2021 14:16:25 GMT -5
Here's the thing, at the end of the day getting "cancelled" is like a game of russian roulette for famous people, sometimes you get out unscathed, other times you never bounce back. Yes Chris Brown and Dr Luke got to continue their careers, but others like the Dixie Chicks didn't. It's just how it is, we can't personally stop it. Morgan is a victim of the bullet being in the gun while he played russian roulette.
But it's a bit too early to say he'll never come back, dude is massive on streaming and audiences like him well enough that even despite this controversy another label will pick him up and he'll be back to making hits.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 3, 2021 14:21:12 GMT -5
Just when I was starting to stan. He's been a stain from the jump. |
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Post by walt91 on Feb 3, 2021 14:22:32 GMT -5
a white man saying the N word, especially with the hard er is horribly disgusting..why do you feel the need to justify racism. Well, a better response. However, I am not justifying racism, I don't know where you go that from? Mugging a woman is bad, but less bad than raping a woman. I'm sure you agree. Saying the N-word is bad, but is less bad than punching your girlfriend, for example.  |
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Post by neverduplicated on Feb 3, 2021 14:23:57 GMT -5
This will definitely hurt Morgan's career (as it should), but it's clearer now more than ever that there are a massive amount of white supremacists in America, so I wouldn't be surprised if he still sees huge numbers after this. In fact I'd bet some people will want to stream him more now. Guess time will tell.
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Feb 3, 2021 14:24:17 GMT -5
Okay, velaxti , here's my thing with you. A part of me is looking at the Wallen situation, and thinking "Wait, they didn't do this to Dr Luke/Chris Brown because... why?" But just because the industry as a whole might be hypocritical, doesn't mean I can't support them doing what they're doing now. Stopping some injustice while being quiet about others is better than stopping no injustices.Absolutely. We have plenty of horrible people working in the music industry, with varying degrees of offenses, and indeed, while it's great to see Wallen losing industry support, it can be frustrating to think that it's being done while the #1 radio song in the country is by Chris Brown. But I guess it's easier to deplatform a relative newcomer like Morgan Wallen, who doesn't have a super established fanbase in comparison. Regardless, you nailed it - at least they're doing something. This is not going to be another trending hashtag to be forgotten in weeks after a half-assed damage control 'apology'. He's suffering real consequences for his actions, and I imagine this could set the trend for future celebrity controversies. |
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Post by imbondz on Feb 3, 2021 14:30:38 GMT -5
It's hard to separate the art from the artist but it's harder when it's something hugely impactful like Michael Jackson or JK Rowling. I still enjoy "Thriller" and Harry Potter but I have adjusted my views and my perception about them in the context of the flawed individuals that produced them. But Mullet s**tface hasn't made a big enough impact for this to be a hard decision. Let's just collectively forget about him and move on. Can we do that to EVERY music artist who uses that word? |
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 3, 2021 14:33:21 GMT -5
So this Morgan Wallen talk has opened up a debate that Iβve been thinking out for a while now, can you seperate the person from the artist? I think general consensus is it depends on the issue/what they said or did. We all draw our own line, and it in part depends how attached we are to the artist in question. It's tougher to "cancel" someone like Michael Jackson who had such sustained impact than it is to cancel someone new like Morgan Wallen. |
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Post by lurker2 on Feb 3, 2021 14:33:55 GMT -5
Okay, unrelated Q: any good country artists who are like Morgan Wallen? My first thought was Luke Combs but I'm listening and it's not quite the same. Looking for some new blood on my personal playlists.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 3, 2021 14:36:05 GMT -5
Basket is deplorables Hillary warned us. Hopefully it's safer to say this here than in the politics thread. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 3, 2021 14:39:30 GMT -5
Personally, I assume every famous and rich person is trash and has done/said problematic things behind the scenes because no one is perfect so I'm hardly ever surprised when they get exposed. I'm a fan of people strictly for their artistic or athletic contributions to society and nothing else. I don't look up to any famous person as a role model or someone I should fashion my life after and I believe more people need to do the same. You shouldn't look up to a person simply because they're more rich, more famous and more successful than you are. That's great for you personally, but the reality is celebrities are role models for many people, and more so they do help shape our culture for better or worse. Sure more people should feel the way you do, but they don't. |
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Post by gikem on Feb 3, 2021 14:39:44 GMT -5
Okay, unrelated Q: any good country artists who are like Morgan Wallen? My first thought was Luke Combs but I'm listening and it's not quite the same. Looking for some new blood on my personal playlists. HARDY, maybe? He's worked with Morgan and FGL in the past as a songwriter and released his debut album last year. Haven't really heard much of it outside of the song he charted last year, but the snippets I've heard seem interesting. |
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Post by violentdreams on Feb 3, 2021 14:53:31 GMT -5
I'm gonna stand by what I said. His career is over. People can say that the country music apparatus wouldn't drop their biggest superstar in decades, but they wouldn't be bothering to strip him from radio stations and playlists in the first place just as a temporary measure. They feel he is an existential threat to their brand and want no parts of him sullying their name (as many controversies as other country stars have been in, none of them cut quite as much as this one). They already examined the damages and came to the conclusion that apologizing would not suffice and they need to cut their losses and move on. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty confident I'm not.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Feb 3, 2021 14:57:39 GMT -5
What a pathetic response. So what do you think is worse, a father abandoning his child or a guy saying the N-word? If you had taken the time to read enough responses, you would have seen that I said this: He's really out to sabotage himself. He's seen more success in the last 3 weeks than he's seen his entire career and the saddest part is this is who he is. If TMZ never captured and posted that video, we'd have never known and he said it because he's used to saying it and feels comfortable saying it. Any "apologies" saying "this isn't who I am," "I wish I could take it back" or any thing similar to that are all bills**t because he's only sorry he got caught. I've always thought that the best way to punish rich/famous people for their ignorance is to hit their pockets because that's all they truly care about. While I honestly don't know how long the pushback against him will last or if it'll even do anything to slow down his momentum, I know that if he feels like the powers that be in the country music industry are against him, even if only publicly, it'll do some good. I can never not see him as a racist now but maybe it'll make him slow down on his constant partying and recklessness (especially during a global pandemic), if only because he has a young son to focus on now. Why would you even ask such a question at such a time?Β The fact that your first response to this topic was asking that question tells me one of two things:Β 1. You're white ORΒ 2. Even worse, you're a person of color who is so ignorant that you don't realize the bigger discussion to be had over someone like Morgan Wallen (the most popular musician in the US for the past 3 weeks now) saying what he said.Β If you had paid close enough attention, you would have noticed that this discussion really isn't about Morgan Wallen, but what he represents. Morgan Wallen in and of himself is really just ANOTHER racist, white man who believes he can say and do whatever he wants and get away with it as evidenced by the two other times he's gotten in trouble in the past few months and has only had to publicly apologize for his behavior to be let off. People applauding the industry's efforts to punish him for his actions are doing so because it's the music industry finally punishing people for their transgressions in a meaningful way. It's worth it to say that the only mistake Morgan Wallen made was yelling out the N word loud enough for his neighbor (who was pissed off at all the noise he had been making at around midnight when he arrived from wherever he was with his friends) to see, hear and record. His neighbor went on to send the video to TMZ probably because they had reached their limit with Morgan Wallen's behavior. Lord knows how many times he's mentioned out that word or other derogatory words in public much less in private, away from prying eyes, ears or cameras.Β It's okay to not dive into certain discussions when you have nothing meaningful to add to them. You're more than free to feel like everything happening to Morgan Wallen is a gross overreaction since other celebrities have done much worse and have received little to no harsh response but if an example has to be made of Morgan Wallen then so be it. Lord knows it's about time. Famous and wealthy racists need to know that they're not protected from their livelihoods being affected. Same goes for abusers.Β Before you jump into discussions like this one with your overly ignorant question, think about how the people who these words are targeted towards would feel hearing it coming from someone they're probably a fan of. Think of all the POC country musicians who had probably enjoyed Morgan's music who feel betrayed because they now know how he REALLY feels about people like them. Think about the POC fans Morgan had (like me) who will never look at him the same way again. This is much bigger than Morgan Wallen. I only wish you recognized that.Β |
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Post by Choco on Feb 3, 2021 15:02:50 GMT -5
Bro it's been like 6 hours we don't know for sure if his career is over.
Chris Brown is still there. Dr. Luke changed his named but he's still there. It took decades for R. Kelly to go down.
I keep seeing examples of people from even decades ago. The social media storms make it much easier for these outrages to reach your grandma now. Everyone is just a click away from the latest cancellation. But the odds of it having any longterm consequences are still 50/50.
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Post by gikem on Feb 3, 2021 15:15:39 GMT -5
In other news, Dua Lipa is set to release her next single (and the lead single for the deluxe edition of Future Nostalgia) "We're Good" on February 11th.
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Post by π‘πππππ€ on Feb 3, 2021 15:17:37 GMT -5
Basket is deplorables Hillary warned us. Hopefully it's safer to say this here than in the politics thread. donβt even |
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Post by violentdreams on Feb 3, 2021 15:18:51 GMT -5
Bro it's been like 6 hours we don't know for sure if his career is over. Chris Brown is still there. Dr. Luke changed his named but he's still there. It took decades for R. Kelly to go down. I keep seeing examples of people from even decades ago. The social media storms make it much easier for these outrages to reach your grandma now. Everyone is just a click away from the latest cancellation. But the odds of it having any longterm consequences are still 50/50. Twitter outrages dictate how companies and labels act in 90% of cases (at least as of two or three years ago when it became a predominantly culture war based platform). Despite only about 20% of the US population using it, mind you, but the most important and influential people in the world do read it constantly and draw their conclusions on how "the people" feel about things from there. I think if it had the power it does now years ago we would've seen a lot more problematic artists immediately dropped and stripped of all promotion. It is what it is. If Twitter has ubiquitously branded Morgan Wallen a white supremacist then they will come to the conclusion that the majority of the US population believes he is a white supremacist and cut ties. That's what I believe they have done and we'll see if that pans out. |
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Post by Choco on Feb 3, 2021 15:22:59 GMT -5
It could happen and I do agree Twitter is a big part of what happens in these cases now.
But he's selling well right now. You know there's one person at the label looking at all the dollar signs that are gonna be gone with Morgan if they drop him (and also, another, likely smaller, label is probably ready to come for the rescue).
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Post by ddlz on Feb 3, 2021 15:25:41 GMT -5
Publicists should remind the celebs that Trump is no longer in the office and that they can no longer say or do stupid shit and mostly go unnoticed. Their wrongdoings will now go viral quicker than ever.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 3, 2021 15:29:27 GMT -5
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Post by kierz7 on Feb 3, 2021 15:33:10 GMT -5
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Post by Groovy on Feb 3, 2021 15:36:11 GMT -5
Maybe we should follow suit, from here on out, no more mention of Morgan Wallen. |
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Post by ddlz on Feb 3, 2021 15:44:21 GMT -5
So is Drake dropping on Valentineβs Day or...?
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Post by thegreatdivine on Feb 3, 2021 15:58:32 GMT -5
Some tweets I thought I'd share.
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Post by atg on Feb 3, 2021 16:04:16 GMT -5
To get away from Morgan Wallen for a minute, Sweater Weather is about 18 on Spotify rn. I feel like it will fall after around march which is sad because i wanted it to rechart like dreams did |
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