Billboard Hot 100: 02/13/2021

[atg]

Feb 3, 2021 13:35:34 GMT -5 velaxti said:

This is the biggest over-reaction with history. I reckon if Morgan Wallen was put in prison for saying the N-word all you people would say "It's the right thing to do" or brainstorming ways to keep him in prison for longer.

Saying the N-word is considered to be worse nowadays by many people than things like getting a girl pregnant and abandoning her and the child. I think the latter is obviously a much worse thing to do, but you people clearly don't think this way.

I think i need to redirect you to someone who would listen to you...

[kierz7]

The L’s just keep coming!

From being the biggest new Main Boy to DROPPED, BANNED & PANNED within a day.

👏🏿

[jenglisbe]

Feb 3, 2021 15:58:32 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Some tweets I thought I'd share.

I will say CMT has been better than others in the country industry, but I'm so over this "values" shit from an industry that is so consistently sexist, racist, xenophobic, and homophobic.

[Lost In Musical Reverie]

All it took was one group (radio station) taking action and pulling his music, and the others just followed suit. Just shows how you should never hesitate to be the first to speak out against injustice, abuse, and/or bigotry - that's what often triggers the domino effect, and usually for positive outcomes.

I'm very proud of the music industry today. I truly was not expecting such a prompt and effective reaction, much less coming from the country scene. Congratulations! Taking one step at a time.

[dovahduck]

Feb 3, 2021 13:35:34 GMT -5 velaxti said:

This is the biggest over-reaction with history. I reckon if Morgan Wallen was put in prison for saying the N-word all you people would say "It's the right thing to do" or brainstorming ways to keep him in prison for longer.

Saying the N-word is considered to be worse nowadays by many people than things like getting a girl pregnant and abandoning her and the child. I think the latter is obviously a much worse thing to do, but you people clearly don't think this way.

You're literally comparing two different things in your absurdass statement. Based on your argument, I might as well start comparing the horsepower difference between a Chevy and fucking toaster.

[otaviohmg]

I think this guy has to be banned. Arguing with him is a waste of time. Is unacceptable his presence in this forum. If he defends this type of absurd with excuses and many many confusing comparisons.

[korbel16]

Feb 3, 2021 16:55:36 GMT -5 otaviohmg said:

I think this guy has to be banned. Arguing with him is a waste of time. Is unacceptable his presence in this forum. If he defends this type of absurd with excuses and many many confusing comparisons.

that part!

[Verisimilitude]

[iggyamo]

Feb 3, 2021 16:28:54 GMT -5 dovahduck said:

Feb 3, 2021 13:35:34 GMT -5 velaxti said:

This is the biggest over-reaction with history. I reckon if Morgan Wallen was put in prison for saying the N-word all you people would say "It's the right thing to do" or brainstorming ways to keep him in prison for longer.

Saying the N-word is considered to be worse nowadays by many people than things like getting a girl pregnant and abandoning her and the child. I think the latter is obviously a much worse thing to do, but you people clearly don't think this way.

You're literally comparing two different things in your absurdass statement. Based on your argument, I might as well start comparing the horsepower difference between a Chevy and f**king toaster.

Honestly the toaster probably has more horsepower than Morgan Wallen’s brain.

[dgarcia3377]

I’m gonna play a bunch of Brothers Osborne music to celebrate TJ’s coming out. Love their music even more. Plus I took out Morgan’s music from my phone

[gikem]

While we're on the topic of Brothers Osborne, I'm not quite sure if this was the most recent single they charted on the Hot 100, but regardless, it deserved SO much better in 2017. The song slaps and the video is iconic.

[nak]

Morgan W*llen's songs are surging on itunes rn

[jenglisbe]

I'm sure Wallen's sales are a combination of curiosity (some people who have never heard of him checking him out), and some section of people showing support. Trump did have a fair amount of support, so...

[Groovy]

Things like that really piss me off, if you're a fan of music then fair enough but if you're doing just out of spite then you're just being an asshole.

[Choco]

Feb 3, 2021 18:11:59 GMT -5 nak said:

Morgan W*llen's songs are surging on itunes rn

He might even get close to 10k sold on one song!

Which is my ironic way of saying iTunes is irrelevant. If the Spotify streams surge with the next update, sure...

(And any short term iTunes boost is nada compared to a radio ban).

[wavey.]

Feb 3, 2021 18:17:19 GMT -5 Groovy said:

Things like that really piss me off, if you're a fan of music then fair enough but if you're doing just out of spite then you're just being an asshole.

I want to assume it's the people who don't think what he did was big deal + asshats. 🥴🥴🥴

[whales10268]

I don’t think this is gonna affect Wallen too much in the long term.

[thegreatdivine]

Billie seems to be close to finishing her sophomore album.

http://instagram.com/p/CK2Uux-FXar

[notgoodenglish]

In a perfect world Morgan Wallens songs wil plummet but then i had flashbacks of white supremacist republican climbing the white house. Gringos are crazy, i mean, look how many votes trump got. Maybe wallen songs will climb. Its really a shame

[gikem]

Feb 3, 2021 19:08:43 GMT -5 notgoodenglish said:

In a perfect world Morgan Wallens songs wil plummet but then i had flashbacks of white supremacist republican climbing the white house. Gringos are crazy, i mean, look how many votes trump got. Maybe wallen songs will climb. Its really a shame

People validated XXXTENTACION after his passing despite his legal history, and it resulted in his biggest hit surging to #1. The cycle is only gonna repeat itself here.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Idk - I could see this hurting Morgan’s image for the long run. Could he establish some sort of a comeback at a later point? Maybe and probably somewhat likely. Maybe he creates a new stage name or forms a duo or group with others. Could he also float along with support from fans and industry folks who don’t care what he did? Also possible, but I think that can only get him so far. I think his name with become synonymous with this situation and an example is being made out of it and that will be tied to him so as far as mainstream success goes, I don’t see him getting away from this easily. I also think the XXXtentacion example is a bit different in that those situations of his few singles charting high were due to the work of minimal fans who knew how to game the system. I don’t think Morgan fans are there now and while he was doing great numbers for country music, I think he also had a lot of general support and interest from people who aren’t going to be there anymore.

I think this will be interesting to watch. I could see him coming back in some way a la Doctor Luke, but I think his peak as a solo Morgan Wallen just passed.

[chartfreak]

Could Billboard if they wanted to pull a crazy move and not chart his songs?

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Feb 3, 2021 15:02:50 GMT -5 Choco said:

Bro it's been like 6 hours we don't know for sure if his career is over.

Chris Brown is still there. Dr. Luke changed his named but he's still there. It took decades for R. Kelly to go down.

I keep seeing examples of people from even decades ago. The social media storms make it much easier for these outrages to reach your grandma now. Everyone is just a click away from the latest cancellation. But the odds of it having any longterm consequences are still 50/50.

I have no opinion on whether or not Morgan's career is perma-dead, but I do want to point out that the three you mentioned are all different/more or less incomparable situations in that they never truly lost industry support. Chris got largely blacklisted by pop radio, but urban radio immediately rushed to support his music in response, other urban artists spoke out in his defense, and his label basically went mute and waited out the storm. R. Kelly likewise always had support from urban radio and other urban artists (and maybe not so coincidentally was on the same label that Chris signed to until it was folded). R. was never a real mainstream stable so for pop to pay him dust meant nothing. Dr. Luke and Kesha essentially came down to he said/she said with a lot of people not wanting to stick their necks out to openly condemn him - ironically and grossly, Luke losing any business only served to help him build his defamation case once Kesha's suit was dismissed, and IMO most people just did not want to get hit with a suit themselves or sucked into that drama by being called as a witness. That Luke was able to continue working simply by changing his name speaks to how much some industry insiders still made a point to support him and ensure he had a career waiting on him once the smoke cleared. This was done even in spite of Luke clearly lacking support from the general public or just about any major recording artist...he had a trashbox reputation even without Kesha's accusations and would have been easy to dump, but execs continue to condone his trash behavior because he makes hits.


So Morgan being immediately dumped by his core format, stripped from streaming playlists, publicly condemned by other country acts, and suspended by his label at the height of his current album's success is HUGE and I totally get why people think his career may be over. MAGAts will rush to support but it's a whole different ball game when the industry itself decides to blacklist you. I personally get the feeling that this event is more of a 'straw that broke the camel's back' situation than it is a reaction to the specific event itself. Mickey Guyton said it's not his first time using that slur, Maren Morris said it's 'not his first scuffle,' and we all know about the super-spreader incident. Morgan has probably pissed off a lot of people behind the scenes over the past several months and finally reached a point where he is costing those same people more than he is earning them.

[𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤]

Feb 3, 2021 19:26:45 GMT -5 chartfreak said:

Could Billboard if they wanted to pull a crazy move and not chart his songs????????

They could, I suppose, but they won't. It wouldn't be the right move anyway, the goal of the H100 is show the most popular songs, regardless of the artist's history. If they let a monster like X chart, they'll certainly let Morgan chart.

[kcdawg13]

Feb 3, 2021 19:30:20 GMT -5 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 said:

Feb 3, 2021 19:26:45 GMT -5 chartfreak said:

Could Billboard if they wanted to pull a crazy move and not chart his songs????????

They could, I suppose, but they won't. It wouldn't be the right move anyway, the goal of the H100 is show the most popular songs, regardless of the artist's history. If they let a monster like X chart, they'll certainly let Morgan chart.

Yeah this would be a bad move, I don't like Morgan but the Hot 100 should reflect what's popular at the moment, even if some of the artists on it are problematic. Removing him would open pandoras box.

[thegreatdivine]

[jebsib]

I have a very serious question from a curious Boomer.

The N Word features so prominently in the lyrics of so many hugely popular songs these days.
This did not used to be the case.

When a ubiquitous 'sing-a-long song' is played at a club or party (like DaBaby's "Rockstar", Nice for What, etc.) where the word is so much part of the chorus, what does everyone do?
Stop singing for a second, yes?

There used to be radio edits and replacement words, but I notice now even the versions on the radio have piss-poor edits where you can't miss the beginning sound of the word.
Many versions on iTunes don't even have 'clean' versions.

I imagine it is only a matter of time before teens at parties will be cancelled for videos of them singing along to #1 songs.

[thegreatdivine]

Feb 3, 2021 19:52:41 GMT -5 jebsib said:

I have a very serious question from a curious Boomer.

The N Word features so prominently in the lyrics of so many hugely popular songs these days.
This did not used to be the case.

When a ubiquitous 'sing-a-long song' is played at a club or party (like DaBaby's "Rockstar", Nice for What, etc.) where the word is so much part of the chorus, what does everyone do?
Stop singing for a second, yes?

There used to be radio edits and replacement words, but I notice now even the versions on the radio have piss-poor edits where you can't miss the beginning sound of the word.
Many versions on iTunes don't even have 'clean' versions.

I imagine it is only a matter of time before teens at parties will be cancelled for videos of them singing along to #1 songs.

Morgan Wallen wasn't singing along to the lyrics of a song with the N word and if you're not a black person, you have no business singing or rapping that word. It's really that simple.

[lurker2]

Feb 3, 2021 19:52:41 GMT -5 jebsib said:

I have a very serious question from a curious Boomer.

The N Word features so prominently in the lyrics of so many hugely popular songs these days.
This did not used to be the case.

When a ubiquitous 'sing-a-long song' is played at a club or party (like DaBaby's "Rockstar", Nice for What, etc.) where the word is so much part of the chorus, what does everyone do?
Stop singing for a second, yes?

There used to be radio edits and replacement words, but I notice now even the versions on the radio have piss-poor edits where you can't miss the beginning sound of the word.
Many versions on iTunes don't even have 'clean' versions.

I imagine it is only a matter of time before teens at parties will be cancelled for videos of them singing along to #1 songs.

The tasteful thing is to stop singing, although from personal experience how well people do that is questionable. I remember from school dances pre-COVID a decent amount of people just didn't care, sadly.

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Feb 3, 2021 14:57:39 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Feb 3, 2021 13:49:22 GMT -5 velaxti said:

What a pathetic response.

So what do you think is worse, a father abandoning his child or a guy saying the N-word?

If you had taken the time to read enough responses, you would have seen that I said this:

Feb 3, 2021 3:15:00 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

He's really out to sabotage himself. He's seen more success in the last 3 weeks than he's seen his entire career and the saddest part is this is who he is. If TMZ never captured and posted that video, we'd have never known and he said it because he's used to saying it and feels comfortable saying it. Any "apologies" saying "this isn't who I am," "I wish I could take it back" or any thing similar to that are all bills**t because he's only sorry he got caught. I've always thought that the best way to punish rich/famous people for their ignorance is to hit their pockets because that's all they truly care about.

While I honestly don't know how long the pushback against him will last or if it'll even do anything to slow down his momentum, I know that if he feels like the powers that be in the country music industry are against him, even if only publicly, it'll do some good. I can never not see him as a racist now but maybe it'll make him slow down on his constant partying and recklessness (especially during a global pandemic), if only because he has a young son to focus on now.

Why would you even ask such a question at such a time? 

The fact that your first response to this topic was asking that question tells me one of two things: 

1. You're white OR 
2. Even worse, you're a person of color who is so ignorant that you don't realize the bigger discussion to be had over someone like Morgan Wallen (the most popular musician in the US for the past 3 weeks now) saying what he said. 

If you had paid close enough attention, you would have noticed that this discussion really isn't about Morgan Wallen, but what he represents. Morgan Wallen in and of himself is really just ANOTHER racist, white man who believes he can say and do whatever he wants and get away with it as evidenced by the two other times he's gotten in trouble in the past few months and has only had to publicly apologize for his behavior to be let off.

People applauding the industry's efforts to punish him for his actions are doing so because it's the music industry finally punishing people for their transgressions in a meaningful way. It's worth it to say that the only mistake Morgan Wallen made was yelling out the N word loud enough for his neighbor (who was pissed off at all the noise he had been making at around midnight when he arrived from wherever he was with his friends) to see, hear and record. His neighbor went on to send the video to TMZ probably because they had reached their limit with Morgan Wallen's behavior. Lord knows how many times he's mentioned out that word or other derogatory words in public much less in private, away from prying eyes, ears or cameras. 

It's okay to not dive into certain discussions when you have nothing meaningful to add to them. You're more than free to feel like everything happening to Morgan Wallen is a gross overreaction since other celebrities have done much worse and have received little to no harsh response but if an example has to be made of Morgan Wallen then so be it. Lord knows it's about time. Famous and wealthy racists need to know that they're not protected from their livelihoods being affected. Same goes for abusers. 

Before you jump into discussions like this one with your overly ignorant question, think about how the people who these words are targeted towards would feel hearing it coming from someone they're probably a fan of. Think of all the POC country musicians who had probably enjoyed Morgan's music who feel betrayed because they now know how he REALLY feels about people like them. Think about the POC fans Morgan had (like me) who will never look at him the same way again. This is much bigger than Morgan Wallen. I only wish you recognized that. 

This was so beautiful my clit left my body!! A read, a post and a swift response 🙌🏾🙌🏾 Velshi or whoever is why we did the black panel cookout series cause I'm sick of reading these racist sympathizers. I won't go as as far as call that poster a racist because I dont know them but I feel safe calling them IGNORANT af.