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Post by Active Aggressive on Apr 15, 2021 15:53:26 GMT -5
In re: BTR: I'd love for her to leave that little slice of juvenalia off the album altogether. Not only is it the weakest link on the album BY FAR, it is so beneath her. Remember, Taylor: women like hunting witches, too!
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Post by dante on Apr 16, 2021 2:41:20 GMT -5
a longer snippet of the bon iver collab sounds good
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Post by Mike on Apr 16, 2021 16:21:45 GMT -5
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Apr 16, 2021 18:01:47 GMT -5
Is no one else floored at these numbers? She’s literally outselling Justin Bieber, Ariana, Dua, Billie etc with a decade old album... her power and her fan loyalty is insane. So proud of her.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Apr 17, 2021 13:39:36 GMT -5
Does anyone know the current Spotify streaming totals for Evermore, Folklore, and Lover? Nvm found it and for anyone else that is curious:
Wow at Lover hitting 3 billion!
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Post by kimberly on Apr 17, 2021 14:34:22 GMT -5
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Apr 17, 2021 15:26:43 GMT -5
Yeah it's a shame her debut isn't closer to 1 billion so literally all her albums would have billion plus streaming totals. Crazy. Lover was a hugely successful album in terms of streaming. That figure genuinely surprised me. Also surprising to see Evermore already sitting at over a billion and 1989 is holding up amazingly.
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Post by livelikedying111 on Apr 17, 2021 16:39:48 GMT -5
Does anyone know the current Spotify streaming totals for Evermore, Folklore, and Lover? Nvm found it and for anyone else that is curious: Wow at Lover hitting 3 billion! Does that literally mean that 3 million people listen to the album daily in its entirety? That's worldwide, I assume?
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Apr 17, 2021 18:12:10 GMT -5
Anyone know the pure album sales of evermore so far?
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Post by kimberly on Apr 17, 2021 18:22:07 GMT -5
Anyone know the pure album sales of evermore so far? I saw that it sold ~105k in 2021. Considering it opened with 154k in mid-December, I'm guessing it's probably sold something in the ballpark of 350k so far.
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Post by theflying on Apr 17, 2021 18:29:53 GMT -5
This is so so random sorry:
I was listening to Wonderland again, and honestly, I think it’s pretty underrated. I prefer it over a handful of 1989 tracks - genuinely.
It’s not super novel or unique, but I love its intensity and how stadium-ready it sounds. Also, her icy, see-through-the-bullsh*t vocal delivery is so on point. It’s just really catchy and a rare moment of Rock(ish)-Tay.
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Apr 17, 2021 18:51:25 GMT -5
Anyone know the pure album sales of evermore so far? I saw that it sold ~105k in 2021. Considering it opened with 154k in mid-December, I'm guessing it's probably sold something in the ballpark of 350k so far. Oh wow, that’s no where close to 1 million. Wish they would have had the physical albums ready by the first week. Sucks it missed out on a ton of physical sales.
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Post by taylor on Apr 17, 2021 21:05:06 GMT -5
I saw that it sold ~105k in 2021. Considering it opened with 154k in mid-December, I'm guessing it's probably sold something in the ballpark of 350k so far. Oh wow, that’s no where close to 1 million. Wish they would have had the physical albums ready by the first week. Sucks it missed out on a ton of physical sales. Well, I mean folklore opened with 615k pure, in the debut week where physical editions weren't ready. With evermore, the factors outside of being a surprise that guided folklore along (the shift in genre, the eight different versions of the CD and eight different vinyls) weren't there anymore. In the streaming era, for no physical copies of evermore to be ready, selling 154k in week 1 is incredible.
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Post by ampersand on Apr 17, 2021 21:10:07 GMT -5
Yeah, it’ll be interesting to see how many units evermore shifts once the vinyl ships at the end of May.
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Apr 17, 2021 22:17:30 GMT -5
Oh wow, that’s no where close to 1 million. Wish they would have had the physical albums ready by the first week. Sucks it missed out on a ton of physical sales. Well, I mean folklore opened with 615k pure, in the debut week where physical editions weren't ready. With evermore, the factors outside of being a surprise that guided folklore along (the shift in genre, the eight different versions of the CD and eight different vinyls) weren't there anymore. In the streaming era, for no physical copies of evermore to be ready, selling 154k in week 1 is incredible. I’m not saying it’s not impressive, I’m saying the novelty of purchasing an album wears off after the first week for a lot of people with streaming services, so they kind of missed the boat on that one. I mean, Fearless shifted more albums on its first week. evermore kind of got the bare minimum promo unfortunately :( No signed albums, no alternate covers, not even a long pond studio sessions...
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Apr 17, 2021 23:54:11 GMT -5
Let's also not forget Folklore had like 8 weeks of signed copies released that was responsible for literally hundreds of thousands of copies of its pure sales total which she could have duplicated with Evermore had she wanted to. lol
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Post by kimberly on Apr 18, 2021 0:50:13 GMT -5
Let's also not forget Folklore had like 8 weeks of signed copies released that was responsible for literally hundreds of thousands of copies of its pure sales total which she could have duplicated with Evermore had she wanted to. lol I don't think signed copies are that large of a sum of its total. They were used as a means to push the album back to #1/keep it at #1 when the race got tight, they definitely did not total "hundreds of thousands." 100k if we're being really generous. Most likely under 100k. I think what's more relevant is that folklore was released right before the bundle rule went into effect. She was one of the (if not THE) last big name to capitalize on that.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Apr 18, 2021 2:17:28 GMT -5
Let's also not forget Folklore had like 8 weeks of signed copies released that was responsible for literally hundreds of thousands of copies of its pure sales total which she could have duplicated with Evermore had she wanted to. lol I don't think signed copies are that large of a sum of its total. They were used as a means to push the album back to #1/keep it at #1 when the race got tight, they definitely did not total "hundreds of thousands." 100k if we're being really generous. Most likely under 100k. I think what's more relevant is that folklore was released right before the bundle rule went into effect. She was one of the (if not THE) last big name to capitalize on that. They absolutely did bolster sales that much. I was very closely watching Folklore's chart performance and the Hits threads during those weeks and the gains were always enormous when signed copies were released, with each week resulting in a typical HUGE bump. A 50kish level bump became expected in those weeks. See this week, just as one example of many, where signed copies moved the album from #10 to #1 with a whopping 709% physical sales gain: www.billboard.com/articles/business/chart-beat/9472619/taylor-swift-folklore-returns-billboard-200-number-one-eighth-week/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitterTaylor Swift’s ‘Folklore’ Back at No. 1 on Billboard 200 Chart for Eighth WeekBy Keith Caulfield 10/25/2020 It also becomes the first album to sell a million copies in the U.S. in 2020.Taylor Swift’s Folklore surges back to No. 1 on the Billboard 200 chart for an eighth nonconsecutive week on top, as the set jumps from No. 10 with 77,000 equivalent album units earned in the U.S. in the week ending Oct. 22 (up 170%), according to Nielsen Music/MRC Data. The album’s huge increase is owed to an explosion of sales generated from Swift’s official webstore, where the superstar sold autographed CDs of the set for $25 each for a limited time. Of Folklore’s units earned for the week, album sales comprised 57,000 of that figure – a gain of 709%. For reference Folklore sold about 28k (and that is sales AND streaming) the week prior to that particular autograph bump. A difference of about 50k. I would argue autographed copies account for 2-300k of Folklore's physical total easily.
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Post by kimberly on Apr 18, 2021 5:21:14 GMT -5
I don't think signed copies are that large of a sum of its total. They were used as a means to push the album back to #1/keep it at #1 when the race got tight, they definitely did not total "hundreds of thousands." 100k if we're being really generous. Most likely under 100k. I think what's more relevant is that folklore was released right before the bundle rule went into effect. She was one of the (if not THE) last big name to capitalize on that. They absolutely did bolster sales that much. I was very closely watching Folklore's chart performance and the Hits threads during those weeks and the gains were always enormous when signed copies were released, with each week resulting in a typical HUGE bump. A 50kish level bump became expected in those weeks. See this week, just as one example of many, where signed copies moved the album from #10 to #1 with a whopping 709% physical sales gain: For reference Folklore sold about 28k (and that is sales AND streaming) the week prior to that particular autograph bump. A difference of about 50k. I would argue autographed copies account for 2-300k of Folklore's physical total easily. I think it's important to note that Taylor's team was dropping "limited edition" merch bundles that came with album downloads as well. From the brief digging I did on Twitter, I see that Taylor hasn't put the signed CD on her website until October 16 (aka the article you cited). So before then, the only way to receive the signed CD was to go to one of the select record stores that received signed CDs -- most of which got around ~50-100 copies. folklore basically crossed the 1 million pure sales mark before the signed CD campaign began.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Apr 18, 2021 6:22:27 GMT -5
They absolutely did bolster sales that much. I was very closely watching Folklore's chart performance and the Hits threads during those weeks and the gains were always enormous when signed copies were released, with each week resulting in a typical HUGE bump. A 50kish level bump became expected in those weeks. See this week, just as one example of many, where signed copies moved the album from #10 to #1 with a whopping 709% physical sales gain: For reference Folklore sold about 28k (and that is sales AND streaming) the week prior to that particular autograph bump. A difference of about 50k. I would argue autographed copies account for 2-300k of Folklore's physical total easily. I think it's important to note that Taylor's team was dropping "limited edition" merch bundles that came with album downloads as well. From the brief digging I did on Twitter, I see that Taylor hasn't put the signed CD on her website until October 16 (aka the article you cited). So before then, the only way to receive the signed CD was to go to one of the select record stores that received signed CDs -- most of which got around ~50-100 copies. folklore basically crossed the 1 million pure sales mark before the signed CD campaign began. Ok, none of this was my initial point that I provided evidence to substantiate (which was that a few hundred thousand copies of Folklore's total or so was from autographed cds). I am aware of the merch bundles that came initially, long before the bulk of autographed cds (that had zero affect on the specific numbers I gave in that article). I stand by what I said originally and it still holds true if you want to fact check it with every week's figures in which she shipped/sold autographed CDS. The numbers are literally right there for you if you want to dig. =)
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Post by ampersand on Apr 18, 2021 7:58:27 GMT -5
Well, we can all at least agree she is unmatched when it comes to selling physical units. Queen of sales!
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Apr 18, 2021 8:39:52 GMT -5
Well, we can all at least agree she is unmatched when it comes to selling physical units. Queen of sales! Exactly...and that was moreso the root of my initial point: if she wanted she could easily bump Evermore's sales quite significantly, quite easily, so she must be satisfied with how it has performed. Haha
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Post by kimberly on Apr 18, 2021 12:12:55 GMT -5
I think it's important to note that Taylor's team was dropping "limited edition" merch bundles that came with album downloads as well. From the brief digging I did on Twitter, I see that Taylor hasn't put the signed CD on her website until October 16 (aka the article you cited). So before then, the only way to receive the signed CD was to go to one of the select record stores that received signed CDs -- most of which got around ~50-100 copies. folklore basically crossed the 1 million pure sales mark before the signed CD campaign began. Ok, none of this was my initial point that I provided evidence to substantiate (which was that a few hundred thousand copies of Folklore's total or so was from autographed cds). I am aware of the merch bundles that came initially, long before the bulk of autographed cds (that had zero affect on the specific numbers I gave in that article). I stand by what I said originally and it still holds true if you want to fact check it with every week's figures in which she shipped/sold autographed CDS. The numbers are literally right there for you if you want to dig. =) There's no real proof of what you're claiming though. (There's no proof against it, either.) We don't know exactly how many signed CDs exist. I saw a reddit post claiming there were 75k but I don't know how accurate that is as a source. It is possible (and imo, more likely) that during those weeks she put 10k-20k signed CDs on the website, and people ended up buying more stuff while they were checking out. I'm basing this off of Taylor's previous signed CD's and what other artists do. It would be a logistical nightmare to get all those copies signed if she sold multiple hundreds of thousands. They would also go for way less than what they're actually sold for now on the internet. I'm also speaking from personal experience -- Taylor's team made it very easy to "just add __" in your cart on the website as you're checking out. I ended up buying "cardigan" singles because of that as I was purchasing my vinyl. Either way, Taylor selling signed evermore CD's wouldn't have helped as much as you claim because: 1. evermore opened with a quarter of the sales folklore had. (indicating less interest and a more challenging scenario to get to 1M pure sales) 2. evermore was released after Billboard fully abolished bundles. 3. evermore basically sells the same amount as folklore now, even though it was released 20 weeks after it. (they were separated by less than 1,000 sales last week.)
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Apr 18, 2021 15:13:26 GMT -5
There's no real proof of what you're claiming though. (There's no proof against it, either.) We don't know exactly how many signed CDs exist. I saw a reddit post claiming there were 75k but I don't know how accurate that is as a source. Lawd. I literally said the weeks in which autographed copies of Folklore were sold/shipped saw a huge boost in its physical sales (typically in the 50k area) which would likely equate to a few hundred thousand copies of its consumption total and literally linked a Billboard article where just one (of many btw) said weeks in question gave Folklore a 709% increase in physical sales, selling around 50,000 copies more than the previous week, which could easily compile to a few hundred thousand copies with accumulative weeks and you're sitting here telling me there's no proof in my argument while still standing firm that my figures are way off. Lol First of all, Billboard specifically cites the autographed copies for the spike that was nearly identical to the figure I initially quoted. Second of all I watched this personally play out week after week whenever she was released more and more autographed copies and the album and personally witnessed just as big of a consecutive spike in sales each and every time. Even I found the whole "personally autographed" thing a little questionable given there were so many weeks and so many autographed copies. I could literally painstakingly take the time to go back and pull up every week, highlight every huge spike in sales (which are readily available in the general forum's thread history), but I have absolutely no desire to spend so much time proving something rather trivial that no amount of evidence is going to change your thought on anyway so, believe what you will. lol
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Post by kimberly on Apr 18, 2021 15:19:27 GMT -5
There's no real proof of what you're claiming though. (There's no proof against it, either.) We don't know exactly how many signed CDs exist. I saw a reddit post claiming there were 75k but I don't know how accurate that is as a source. Lawd. I literally said the weeks in which autographed copies of Folklore were sold/shipped saw a huge boost in its physical sales (typically in the 50k area) which would likely equate to a few hundred thousand copies of its consumption total and literally linked a Billboard article where just one (of many btw) said weeks in question gave Folklore a 709% increase in physical sales, selling around 50,000 copies more than the previous week, which could easily compile to a few hundred thousand copies with accumulative weeks and you're sitting here telling me there's no proof in my argument while still standing firm that my figures are way off. Lol First of all, Billboard specifically cites the autographed copies for the spike that was nearly identical to the figure I initially quoted. Second of all I watched this personally play out week after week whenever she was released more and more autographed copies and the album and personally witnessed just as big of a consecutive spike in sales each and every time. Even I found the whole "personally autographed" thing a little questionable given there were so many weeks and so many autographed copies. I could literally painstakingly take the time to go back and pull up every week, highlight every huge spike in sales (which are readily available in the general forum's thread history), but I have absolutely no desire to spend so much time proving something rather trivial that no amount of evidence is going to change your thought on anyway so, believe what you will. lol I have also watched it all go down. Billboard never mentions that 709% spike consisting ENTIRELY of signed CDs. If Taylor Swift, the biggest album seller in the world right now, put up a very very limited edition 1,000 signed CD's on her website, she's going to gain way more sales than 1k just based on the traffic driven to her website. From people who try to get the signed CD but settle for a vinyl/standard CD etc. This is basics of business and marketing. In that sense, spreading the signed copies over several weeks was one of the greatest decisions her team could have made. Still doesn't mean any and all gains folklore saw were entirely from signed CDs.
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Post by kimberly on Apr 18, 2021 15:29:44 GMT -5
anyways... in other news, it's official:
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Apr 18, 2021 15:31:45 GMT -5
I have also watched it all go down. Billboard never mentions that 709% spike consisting ENTIRELY of signed CDs. If Taylor Swift, the biggest album seller in the world right now, put up a very very limited edition 1,000 signed CD's on her website, she's going to gain way more sales than 1k just based on the traffic driven to her website. From people who try to get the signed CD but settle for a vinyl/standard CD etc. This is basics of business and marketing. In that sense, spreading the signed copies over several weeks was one of the greatest decisions her team could have made. Still doesn't mean any and all gains folklore saw were entirely from signed CDs. Whether the entirety of the 709% spike in sales was due to actual signed copies being purchased (which I absolutely believe the majority were) OR even, going by your theory, they merely caused "increased traffic" on her website leading to other purchases from customers who weren't able to grab autographed copies and settled on purchasing something else, it still means the root and reason for the entirety of said huge boost would have been those autographed copies as it is from either people who bought them or people who were trying to buy them......so...kinda my whole intial point....which was that she can shift numbers drastically with incentives to fans (such as autographed cds) whenever and if ever she wants.
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Post by kimberly on Apr 18, 2021 15:37:13 GMT -5
I have also watched it all go down. Billboard never mentions that 709% spike consisting ENTIRELY of signed CDs. If Taylor Swift, the biggest album seller in the world right now, put up a very very limited edition 1,000 signed CD's on her website, she's going to gain way more sales than 1k just based on the traffic driven to her website. From people who try to get the signed CD but settle for a vinyl/standard CD etc. This is basics of business and marketing. In that sense, spreading the signed copies over several weeks was one of the greatest decisions her team could have made. Still doesn't mean any and all gains folklore saw were entirely from signed CDs. Whether the entirety of the 709% spike in sales was due to actual signed copies being purchased (which I absolutely believe the majority were) OR even, going by your theory, they merely caused "increased traffic" on her website leading to other purchases from customers who weren't able to grab autographed copies and settled on purchasing something else, it still means the root and reason for the entirety of said huge boost would have been those autographed copies as it is from either people who bought them or people who were trying to buy them and bought something else......so...kinda my whole intial point....which was that she can shift numbers drastically with incentives to fans (such as autographed cds) whenever she wants. You were claiming she sold "hundreds of thousands of signed copies" that were responsible for the sales total, which was a misconstrued claim based on incomplete information. Yes she and her team are super business savvy. No evermore would not have performed even remotely close to folklore even with the same # of signed copies.
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Post by kimberly on Apr 18, 2021 15:41:30 GMT -5
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Apr 18, 2021 15:52:10 GMT -5
Am I the only one hoping her debut can finally get the #1 spot and not be excluded from Taylor Swift's chart-topping discography?
(watch as Drake/Adele/Ed/Rihanna/Kendrick decide to drop on the same day and make it the only re-recorded album to not get there)
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