Billboard Hot 100: 04/17/2021

[jenglisbe]

Apr 11, 2021 14:02:09 GMT -5 Henry Suárez said:

Apr 11, 2021 11:52:08 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

This is a funny top 10 to me just because most of these acts are basically one hit/album wonders, particularly in what they're remembered for. A few had maybe 2 albums of hits, but the point is no one on here had Hot 100 success for more than a couple years.

Maybe only Gerardo, the rest of them didn't have much longevity but were no one hit wonders at all, they had more than 1 hit, definitely.

and probably in the minority here but I think 1989, 1990, 1991 were great year for hits, I really like most of the pop hits from those years.

Everything I Do I Do It For You was arguably one of the biggest hits of all time, not a bad song at all and I don't think it's forgotten but whatever.

Please note I said "basically" and noted one 'album' wonder as well. I clearly know they weren't technically one hit wonders, and I actually like several of those artists. None of them were consistent Hot 100 hit makers outside of that brief time period, though, so I am not sure of your point. In terms of that top 10:
1. Wilson Phillips had a load of hits off their debut album, and then that was basically it.
2. Amy Grant had several hits off her 'mainstream debut' but then didn't get even 1 top 10 off her next album.
3. Londonbeat is essentially a one-hit wonder.
4. Tara Kemp had 2 hits in 1991 and then that was it.
5. My beloved Roxette had a slew of hits from their first 2 albums, and then nothing else.
6. Enigma had 2 random hits off their first 2 albums and nothing else.
7. Gerardo is a one-hit wonder.
8. Hi-Five had I think 2 top 10 hits.
9. Rick Astley probably had the most longevity of this group as I think he had three albums with at least 1 hit, but all within a few years.
10. C&C Music Factory is another one that had a few hits off an album and then didn't have more.

My point was simply that it's interesting to see a top 10 that doesn't have any artists with real longevity. Most of these top 10s will include at least 1-2 acts like Janet Jackson, Aerosmith, Stevie Wonder, or at least Hall & Oates.

[renfield75]

Apr 11, 2021 20:08:19 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Apr 11, 2021 13:31:03 GMT -5 iHype. said:

1991 is such a strange year in general.

A year rolling in artists who became basically completely forgotten by even the mid 90s. And what's even weirder is the hits managed by the actual superstar names in 1991 are also for the most part their most forgotten big hits.

Whitney's "All The Man That I Need" is (sadly) one of her most forgotten #1's.
Mariah's "I Don't Wanna Cry" is arguably her most forgotten #1.
Paula Abdul's "The Promise of a New Day" is like one of the most forgotten #1's just in general ever.
Prince's "Cream" is (unfortunately) also arguable as his most forgotten #1.

Janet's "Love Will Never Do", Gloria Estefan's "Coming Out of the Dark", etc also have the same arguments. You get the point. It's like that whole year was just forgotten by the public musically.

This is interesting and not something I had thought about before.

Apr 11, 2021 16:09:07 GMT -5 renfield75 said:

Some of the legit enduring classics from 90/91: Madonna's "Vogue", Deee-Lite's "Groove Is In The Heart", Metallica's "Enter Sandman", REM's "Losing My Religion", Chris Isaak's "Wicked Game", Lisa Stansfield's "All Around The World", Sinead O'Connor's "Nothing Compares 2 U", Mariah's "Vision Of Love", MC Hammer's "U Can't Touch This", Digital Underground's "The Humpty Dance", Bell Biv DeVoe's "Poison", Color Me Badd's "I Wanna Sex You Up", Naughty By Nature's "OPP", LL Cool J's "Mama Said Knock You Out", Depeche Mode's "Enjoy The Silence", Biz Markie's "Just A Friend" and, if I'm being honest, "Ice Ice Baby" and Marky Mark's "Good Vibrations".

But even a lot of those 'classics' are borderline novelty songs, or remembered but not in the sense of true classics (they're more like 90s relics that remind people of that time than they are general classics that transcend time).

But sadly the borderline novelty songs are often the ones that endure. Look at The Monster Mash, YMCA, Ghostbusters, I'm Too Sexy, Macarena, Mambo No. 5, Party Rock Anthem...people from later generations often latch onto the most extreme examples from any era and define it by that. Who wants to listen to "Blowin' In The Wind" when you can listen to "The Twist"?

[renfield75]

Apr 11, 2021 20:17:33 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Please note I said "basically" and noted it being about what they're remembered for. I know they weren't technically one hit wonders, and I actually like several of those artists. None of them were consistent Hot 100 hit makers outside of that brief time period, though. In terms of that top 10:
1. Wilson Phillips had a load of hits off their debut album, and then that was basically it.
2. Amy Grant had several hits off her 'mainstream debut' but then didn't get even 1 top 10 off her next album.
3. Londonbeat is essentially a one-hit wonder.
4. Tara Kemp had 2 hits in 1991 and then that was it.
5. My beloved Roxette had a slew of hits from their first 2 albums, and then nothing else.
6. Enigma had 2 random hits off their first 2 albums and nothing else.
7. Gerardo is a one-hit wonder.
8. Hi-Five had I think 2 top 10 hits.
9. Rick Astley probably had the most longevity of this group as I think he had three albums with at least 1 hit, but all within a few years.
10. C&C Music Factory is another one that had a few hits off an album and then didn't have more.

My point was simply that it's interesting to see a top 10 that doesn't have any artists with real longevity. Most of these top 10s will include at least 1-2 acts like Janet Jackson, Aerosmith, Stevie Wonder, or at least Hall & Oates.

Hi-Five had three top tens: "I Like The Way", its follow-up "I Can't Wait Another Minute", and then "She's Playing Hard To Get" from their next album in '92. Between 1991 and 1993 they had, appropriately, five top 40 hits. Also Gerardo technically had a second "hit" with the #16 peaking "We Want The Funk", but the less said the better ha ha. Overall though I agree with your point (and I'm also sad that Roxette isn't more fondly remembered. They should have survived that era).

[jenglisbe]

Apr 11, 2021 20:25:34 GMT -5 renfield75 said:

Apr 11, 2021 20:08:19 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

This is interesting and not something I had thought about before.

But even a lot of those 'classics' are borderline novelty songs, or remembered but not in the sense of true classics (they're more like 90s relics that remind people of that time than they are general classics that transcend time).

But sadly the borderline novelty songs are often the ones that endure. Look at The Monster Mash, YMCA, Ghostbusters, I'm Too Sexy, Macarena, Mambo No. 5, Party Rock Anthem...people from later generations often latch onto the most extreme examples from any era and define it by that. Who wants to listen to "Blowin' In The Wind" when you can listen to "The Twist"?

I know, I was just distinguishing between novelty classics and actual quality classics. I think it's interesting to note if a time period had more 'of its time' classics versus transcendent classics.

[renfield75]

Apr 11, 2021 20:54:05 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Apr 11, 2021 20:25:34 GMT -5 renfield75 said:

But sadly the borderline novelty songs are often the ones that endure. Look at The Monster Mash, YMCA, Ghostbusters, I'm Too Sexy, Macarena, Mambo No. 5, Party Rock Anthem...people from later generations often latch onto the most extreme examples from any era and define it by that. Who wants to listen to "Blowin' In The Wind" when you can listen to "The Twist"?

I know, I was just distinguishing between novelty classics and actual quality classics. I think it's interesting to note if a time period had more 'of its time' classics versus transcendent classics.

Yeah, unfortunately the early 90s are mostly defined now by songs like "I'm Too Sexy". There were so many really great songs then but they've been overshadowed by their cartoonier counterparts. Shortly after that you start to see some all-time classics ("I Will Always Love You", "Nothin' But A G Thang", "Waterfalls", "Juicy"). Even the enduring party hits from that era like "This Is How We Do It" aren't so overtly ridiculous.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

As a huge fan of 90s music, I’m admittedly not too familiar with the hits pre-1993 other than the obvious ones. I don’t have the same concept of what hits were when from 1990-93 so I can’t say what years among them I prefer over the others. It might be something I explore this year though because I have been curious. I think 1994-96 is one the greatest periods of pop music ever, whereas mid 97-2000 might be one of the worst.
The point about 1991 is interesting though. I wonder if there have been other periods of time in the last 30 years where the biggest hits of the time would go on to be relatively forgotten in the grander scheme of things. I bet 2014 has some.

[mgkjn11]

I wonder how Lil Nas X is gonna feel now if Montero only spends one week at number one. He did all the controversy just to have one week at number one. He’s lost a lot of public support with his antics and now this will be the nail in the coffin. Hope it was worth it for him. The stan culture population is 100x smaller than the general public. Twitter is the complete opposite of real life don’t y’all forget.

[Enigma.]

Apr 11, 2021 23:47:42 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

The point about 1991 is interesting though. I wonder if there have been other periods of time in the last 30 years where the biggest hits of the time would go on to be relatively forgotten in the grander scheme of things. I bet 2014 has some.

2006 is kinda same, one hit wonders and "just another ones" for big stars. Even though I loved the FS/LS era for Timberlake, it has bizarrely diminished legacy in the big picture.

[𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤]

Apr 12, 2021 0:21:09 GMT -5 mgkjn11 said:

I wonder how Lil Nas X is gonna feel now if Montero only spends one week at number one. He did all the controversy just to have one week at number one. He’s lost a lot of public support with his antics and now this will be the nail in the coffin. Hope it was worth it for him. The stan culture population is 100x smaller than the general public. Twitter is the complete opposite of real life don’t y’all forget.

lol

[dann]

Apr 12, 2021 0:21:09 GMT -5 mgkjn11 said:

I wonder how Lil Nas X is gonna feel now if Montero only spends one week at number one. He did all the controversy just to have one week at number one. He’s lost a lot of public support with his antics and now this will be the nail in the coffin. Hope it was worth it for him. The stan culture population is 100x smaller than the general public. Twitter is the complete opposite of real life don’t y’all forget.

I will never understand the impetus that some here at Pulse have on the end of his career. Each release is the same, "this will be the end of he", but he remains here. He may not stay at #1 in the US this week, but streams and sales have remained stable and growing worldwide, which is much better.

[fridayteenage]

Apr 12, 2021 0:21:09 GMT -5 mgkjn11 said:

I wonder how Lil Nas X is gonna feel now if Montero only spends one week at number one. He did all the controversy just to have one week at number one. He’s lost a lot of public support with his antics and now this will be the nail in the coffin. Hope it was worth it for him. The stan culture population is 100x smaller than the general public. Twitter is the complete opposite of real life don’t y’all forget.

ok, Laura Ingraham.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Apr 12, 2021 0:21:09 GMT -5 mgkjn11 said:

I wonder how Lil Nas X is gonna feel now if Montero only spends one week at number one. He did all the controversy just to have one week at number one. He’s lost a lot of public support with his antics and now this will be the nail in the coffin. Hope it was worth it for him. The stan culture population is 100x smaller than the general public. Twitter is the complete opposite of real life don’t y’all forget.

I'm sure alt right shitheads weren't the biggest fans of Lil Nas X to begin with. Much like with Cardi, it only helped him, especially after dunking on alt righters on Twitter.

[aussie1]

Apr 12, 2021 0:21:09 GMT -5 mgkjn11 said:

I wonder how Lil Nas X is gonna feel now if Montero only spends one week at number one. He did all the controversy just to have one week at number one. He’s lost a lot of public support with his antics and now this will be the nail in the coffin. Hope it was worth it for him. The stan culture population is 100x smaller than the general public. Twitter is the complete opposite of real life don’t y’all forget.

If it does only stay at #1 for a single week. He will have the longest running #1 and the shortest. 

[Lost In Musical Reverie]

Apr 12, 2021 0:29:05 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Apr 11, 2021 23:47:42 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

The point about 1991 is interesting though. I wonder if there have been other periods of time in the last 30 years where the biggest hits of the time would go on to be relatively forgotten in the grander scheme of things. I bet 2014 has some.

2006 is kinda same, one hit wonders and "just another ones" for big stars. Even though I loved the FS/LS era for Timberlake, it has bizarrely diminished legacy in the big picture.

The whole Gwen/Fergie/Nelly era of pop music sadly feels rather forgotten in comparison to the teen pop era of the early 2000s and the Rihanna + electropop era of the late part of the decade - at least for the younger generations. "Promiscuous" got a nice revival lately thanks to TikTok, though, so it's only a matter of time until these songs get some mainstream re-appraisal.

[kingvavis]

Apr 12, 2021 4:57:24 GMT -5 Lost In Musical Reverie said:

Apr 12, 2021 0:29:05 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

2006 is kinda same, one hit wonders and "just another ones" for big stars. Even though I loved the FS/LS era for Timberlake, it has bizarrely diminished legacy in the big picture.

The whole Gwen/Fergie/Nelly era of pop music sadly feels rather forgotten in comparison to the teen pop era of the early 2000s and the Rihanna + electropop era of the late part of the decade - at least for the younger generations. "Promiscuous" got a nice revival lately thanks to TikTok, though, so it's only a matter of time until these songs get some mainstream re-appraisal.

That was such a fun period! I loved how Nelly, Timbaland, and Timberlake dominated that era. I think the club boom is responsible for overshadowing that era of pop since a lot of the hits from 2008-2011 were designed to be more anthemic and became more memorable as a result.

[phieaglesfan712]

I felt the whole 2006-2008 period was littered with forgotten hits. There was certainly a lull in between the years Usher (2004) and the Black Eyed Peas (2009) dominated. 2005 wasn't that bad, as it still had 50 cent, Mariah, and Kanye, but not many hits from 2006-2008 stand out to me.

[kalmanta]

Apr 12, 2021 5:39:09 GMT -5 kingvavis said:

Apr 12, 2021 4:57:24 GMT -5 Lost In Musical Reverie said:

The whole Gwen/Fergie/Nelly era of pop music sadly feels rather forgotten in comparison to the teen pop era of the early 2000s and the Rihanna + electropop era of the late part of the decade - at least for the younger generations. "Promiscuous" got a nice revival lately thanks to TikTok, though, so it's only a matter of time until these songs get some mainstream re-appraisal.

That was such a fun period! I loved how Nelly, Timbaland, and Timberlake dominated that era. I think the club boom is responsible for overshadowing that era of pop since a lot of the hits from 2008-2011 were designed to be more anthemic and became more memorable as a result.

The big songs from 08-11 were all about the choruses, grandiose and celebratory, stadium designed sing along tunes with a crowd-pleasing touch à la Firework, Dynamite, Fame era Gaga. It makes a lot of people nostalgic, especially during more difficult times.

[jdanton2]

Apr 12, 2021 5:58:53 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

I felt the whole 2006-2008 period was littered with forgotten hits. There was certainly a lull in between the years Usher (2004) and the Black Eyed Peas (2009) dominated. 2005 wasn't that bad, as it still had 50 cent, Mariah, and Kanye, but not many hits from 2006-2008 stand out to me.

Rihanna had her first four #1 songs during that period including Umbrella . Timberlake's SexyBack which still gets played alot was #1 and Beyonce's Irreplaceable was #1 as well.

[meg]

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2021/04/12

1(=) Olivia Rodrigo - drivers license 110.72(-0.41)
2(+2) Bruno Mars, Anderson .Paak & Silk Sonic - Leave The Door Open 100.86(+1.04)
3(-1) Pop Smoke - What You Know Bout Love 100.26(-0.50)
4(-1) Billie Eilish - Therefore I Am 99.42(-1.06)
5(=) The Weeknd - Save Your Tears 95.26(+0.35)
6(=) Chris Brown & Young Thug - Go Crazy 91.73(+0.03) +
7(=) Ariana Grande - positions 83.35(-0.68)
8(=) The Weeknd - Blinding Lights 81.29(-0.01)
9(=) 24kGoldn - Mood (feat. iann dior) 79.71(-1.13)
10(+1) Tate McRae - you broke me first 79.04(+1.65) +

14(+1) Dua Lipa - Levitating (feat. DaBaby) 62.06(+0.91) +

16(+1) Justin Bieber - Peaches (feat. Daniel Caesar & GIVĒON) 57.65(+2.52)

56(+2) Masked Wolf - Astronaut In The Ocean 29.42(+1.14)

60(+2) Mooski - Track Star 27.75(+0.85)

84(+4) Ariana Grande - pov 22.32(+2.02)

92(+10) Olivia Rodrigo - deja vu 18.23(+1.67)

-(-) Justin Moore - We Didn't Have Much 16.34(+0.80)

-(-) Doja Cat - Kiss Me More (feat. SZA) 14.91(+2.13)

-(-) Kali Uchis - telepatía 9.46(+0.74)

-(-) twenty one pilots - Shy Away 7.69(+1.24)

-(-) Lil Nas X - MONTERO (Call Me By Your Name) 7.09(+0.91)

-(-) Bebe Rexha - Sacrifice 6.24(+0.73)

-(-) Danny Ocean & Justin Quiles - Cuantas Veces 1.55(+1.35) +

-(-) Riton & Nightcrawlers - Friday (feat. Mufasa & Hypeman) [Dopamine Re-Edit] 1.40(+1.38) +

[suzcruz7]

Apr 12, 2021 0:21:09 GMT -5 mgkjn11 said:

I wonder how Lil Nas X is gonna feel now if Montero only spends one week at number one. He did all the controversy just to have one week at number one. He’s lost a lot of public support with his antics and now this will be the nail in the coffin. Hope it was worth it for him. The stan culture population is 100x smaller than the general public. Twitter is the complete opposite of real life don’t y’all forget.

I'm pretty sure the shrieking boomers wetting their pants about "Satan Shoes" on Twitter also aren't a good representation of "real life." 

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Apr 12, 2021 4:57:24 GMT -5 Lost In Musical Reverie said:

Apr 12, 2021 0:29:05 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

2006 is kinda same, one hit wonders and "just another ones" for big stars. Even though I loved the FS/LS era for Timberlake, it has bizarrely diminished legacy in the big picture.

The whole Gwen/Fergie/Nelly era of pop music sadly feels rather forgotten in comparison to the teen pop era of the early 2000s and the Rihanna + electropop era of the late part of the decade - at least for the younger generations. "Promiscuous" got a nice revival lately thanks to TikTok, though, so it's only a matter of time until these songs get some mainstream re-appraisal.

Is it forgotten tho? It doesn’t have an easy era title the way “90s bubblegum pop” or “2000s electro pop” does but it’s not like the hits and artists from that time were flash in the pan here then forgotten now types. Plus, it was 15 years ago so there’s probably not a lot of reason for people to dig into that period specifically but I’m not sure if forgotten is a word I’d use to describe those hits.

[dovahduck]

Just wanted to let you guys know that both of the CD singles for "Leave the Door Open" have been shipped to fans. I've received both already so there's a good chance of it being number one this week.

[iamsorare]

Apr 12, 2021 9:28:53 GMT -5 dovahduck said:

Just wanted to let you guys know that both of the CD singles for "Leave the Door Open" have been shipped to fans. I've received both already so there's a good chance of it being number one this week.

YES!

[Groovy]

2006 was also another weak year for the charts but I wouldn't say the hits were forgettable, some of the acts might be like Daniel Powter, James Blunt, Chamillionaire, etc but not the hits, there was Temperature, Promiscuous, Hips Don't Lie, Sexyback, SOS, etc. Definitely wouldn't call it forgettable.

[annoymous1]

Safe to Say Leave The Door Open will be the next #1 on kworb radio.

[chingaling]

Apr 12, 2021 9:50:50 GMT -5 Groovy said:

2006 was also another weak year for the charts but I wouldn't say the hits were forgettable, some of the acts might be like Daniel Powter, James Blunt, Chamillionaire, etc but not the hits, there was Temperature, Promiscuous, Hips Don't Lie, Sexyback, SOS, etc. Definitely wouldn't call it forgettable.

It's all result of personal taste, perspective and your age. Probably you will remember and enjoy most hits of your teenage years. For instance, you said 1990 and 1991 were horrible years and the hits were mostly forgotten. Probably somebody who was 15 years old in 1990 has a very different point of view.
Some of my all time favorite songs are from 1990... such as "Nothing compares 2U", "Enjoy the silence" and "Vision of love". Madonna was at the top of the world with one of her all time classics, "Vogue". Janet was breaking ground with the RN era. Brand new styles appeared such as trip-hop with Massive Attack. Rap became mainstream. I know, MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice didn't survive after that, but it was the stepping stone. 
I agree those were transitional years, too modern to be 80s and too vintage to be properly 90s (1989/1991 era was a fundamental period for music to prepare the field for the arrival of grunge, modern electronic music and gansta rap to the mainstream.

[oliviafan101]

Matter of fact, 2007 was also the worst year to be a Britney stan. It was also the worst year to be an Englishman/Englishwoman (England failed to qualify for the Euros).

[Taylor.]

Not saying this is what Bruno did, but do we think strategically timing the shipment of CD singles will be the new method of chart manipulation hitting #1? Or is it already?

[gikem]

Apr 12, 2021 9:50:50 GMT -5 Groovy said:

2006 was also another weak year for the charts but I wouldn't say the hits were forgettable, some of the acts might be like Daniel Powter, James Blunt, Chamillionaire, etc but not the hits, there was Temperature, Promiscuous, Hips Don't Lie, Sexyback, SOS, etc. Definitely wouldn't call it forgettable.

2005/2006 is kind of a reverse 1990/1991 for me. 2005 has the better overall good songs and the worse overall bad songs, but 2006 has more bad songs and less memorable good ones. In both cases, the two years back-to-back are probably the weakest of their respective decades, IMO.