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Post by tekkenguy on May 19, 2023 16:59:22 GMT -5
No mention of Mandy Moore or Mark Wahlberg?
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on May 20, 2023 3:31:01 GMT -5
No mention of Mandy Moore or Mark Wahlberg? Mark Wahlberg had several hits before going big as a film actor so I'd hesitate to call him a flop. Mandy Moore's music career not taking off is more attributed to deliberate sabotage by notable prick, Ryan Adams. |
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Post by jdanton2 on May 20, 2023 6:01:25 GMT -5
Kelly Clarkson might not be totally flopping but she is having more success on TV on her own show plus The Voice.
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Post by Dreams on May 20, 2023 6:25:31 GMT -5
^ Kelly Clarkson might not be successful on the charts right now/in recent years, but she's far from a "flop singer".
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2023 18:25:18 GMT -5
Katy Perry is now a very successful American Idol judge
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Post by Luckie Starchild on May 21, 2023 19:16:43 GMT -5
No mention of Nicole Flopzinger?
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2023 21:09:46 GMT -5
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Post by Dylan :) on May 22, 2023 11:03:19 GMT -5
Katy Perry is now a very successful American Idol judge But could never be classified as a flop singer. Her dominance from 2008 to 2014 will always solidify her as one of the biggest artists of the 2010s, even if she hasn’t had much commercial success since with her music Jeffree Star? |
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Post by Az Paynter on May 22, 2023 11:08:46 GMT -5
No mention of Mandy Moore or Mark Wahlberg? Mark Wahlberg had several hits before going big as a film actor so I'd hesitate to call him a flop. Mandy Moore's music career not taking off is more attributed to deliberate sabotage by notable prick, Ryan Adams. I'm inclined to disagree re: Mandy Moore; Mandy never stuck the landing as a pop artist in the early 2000's, so when she pivoted her sound toward the music she was much happier making, she didn't have the commercial success to stick that landing either. All this coming prior to any bulls**t Ryan Adams could have possibly done to her music career. |
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Post by jimijoop on May 22, 2023 14:06:10 GMT -5
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Post by Joe1240 on May 25, 2023 0:51:10 GMT -5
Mark Wahlberg had several hits before going big as a film actor so I'd hesitate to call him a flop. Mandy Moore's music career not taking off is more attributed to deliberate sabotage by notable prick, Ryan Adams. I'm inclined to disagree re: Mandy Moore; Mandy never stuck the landing as a pop artist in the early 2000's, so when she pivoted her sound toward the music she was much happier making, she didn't have the commercial success to stick that landing either. All this coming prior to any bulls**t Ryan Adams could have possibly done to her music career. Mandy Moore had success with Disney's Tangled in 2010, also her album Wild Hope had a bit of critical acclaim in 2007. |
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Post by Az Paynter on May 25, 2023 1:15:58 GMT -5
Joe1240 Mandy had already flopped as a popstar years before 'Tangled', and even though the movie was a success there wasn't a breakout pop hit from the soundtrack like 'Frozen' and 'Encanto' had. On top of this, critical success is not commercial success so the 'Wild Hope' acclaim doesn't mean much. Girl still flopped.
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Post by Kelly's 10th Fan on May 25, 2023 3:37:50 GMT -5
Kelly Clarkson was one of the top 10 Hot 100 artists of the 2000s decade and is one of the top 100 artists on Billboard's overall Hot 100 and artist GOAT lists. That's far too much success over an extended period of time to put her in a discussion about people who at most had one or two moderately selling albums. Same goes for Katy Perry, who was a top 10 artist for the 2010s and ranks even higher on those GOAT lists than Kelly does. Kelly and Katy are examples of artists who were able to to pivot into other areas of entertainment because of their accomplishments/celebrity status as musicians, not despite lacking those things. No mention of Mandy Moore or Mark Wahlberg? Mandy was mentioned in the second post of the thread. With that said, I think she falls more in the 'briefly successful but eventually flopped' area than 'immediately flopped/never successful' territory. Mandy 's Hot 100 history borders on nonexistent, but she peaked during that weird moment in time where one could lack on the singles and still move albums if you had decent exposure elsewhere (i.e., the MTV/TRL era). Her debut album is platinum and her second* and third albums were certified gold. (*The 'second' album was admittedly just a poorly disguised reissue of the first). Also, the Walk To Remember soundtrack went platinum, and I'd count that as an unofficial win in her column even though it's technically a 'various artists' album, since she was the only notable singer on the soundtrack at the time of its release and the sole single from it was one of her songs. She had a cute four-year run. Still, it was very easy to overshadow her music career with a much more visible and better sustained film/tv career. I do agree with Az that being married to Ryan Adams had nothing to do with Mandy's musical fall-off. Mandy wanted to distance herself from her pop roots and went indie to do it, and that combo is generally a the kiss of death from a commercial standpoint. If she'd pulled a WTR and attached Wild Hope to a movie soundtrack it might have fared better. |
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Post by Joe1240 on May 25, 2023 5:36:52 GMT -5
Joe1240 Mandy had already flopped as a popstar years before 'Tangled', and even though the movie was a success there wasn't a breakout pop hit from the soundtrack like 'Frozen' and 'Encanto' had. On top of this, critical success is not commercial success so the 'Wild Hope' acclaim doesn't mean much. Girl still flopped. Mandy was nominated for an Oscar and performed there for “Tangled”. Mandy also was at nearly every movie award show for the movie.Mandy’s Wild Hope era had a tour,MSN concert and a TV special among other things. |
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Post by Az Paynter on May 25, 2023 6:31:29 GMT -5
Joe1240 Mandy had already flopped as a popstar years before 'Tangled', and even though the movie was a success there wasn't a breakout pop hit from the soundtrack like 'Frozen' and 'Encanto' had. On top of this, critical success is not commercial success so the 'Wild Hope' acclaim doesn't mean much. Girl still flopped. Mandy was nominated for an Oscar and performed there for “Tangled”. Mandy also was at nearly every movie award show for the movie.Mandy’s Wild Hope era had a tour,MSN concert and a TV special among other things. I'm struggling to find the part where any of this helped save her music career from commercial tankage. |
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Post by mkarns on May 25, 2023 12:29:29 GMT -5
"Flop singers" is a vague concept that everyone might have a different conception of, but I don't think that Kelly Clarkson or Katy Perry remotely qualifies. To me the term would refer to those who either never had a hit, or maybe had a moderate hit or two but whose music careers never really took off (Mandy Moore might fit that definition), and for purposes of this thread found greater success in acting or other media presence.
Kelly and Katy were each highly proficient hitmakers for a time; the fact that the hits eventually dried up, as they do for most artists, doesn't make them "flop singers" even if they've lately been more successful in other endeavours.
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Post by avamaxstan on May 25, 2023 18:44:35 GMT -5
Does Kelly count? Obviously she had a massive music career and peak, but she'd been flopping for several years before she got her talk show and became the new Queen of Daytime.
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Post by Steel Sponge on May 28, 2023 11:51:06 GMT -5
When the terms 'flop singers' and 'successful entertainment careers' are so debatable when put together, I think it's pretty clear that the amount of people that meet that description are far and few between. It's kinda/sorta like creating a topic titled "Musicians who have eleven fingers but also have nine toes."
I think some folks have already mentioned her, but one example to this sort of description that I can be able to name is Tracey Ullman. Had a short tenure as a pop music singer with only one big hit in the U.S., but went on to become more successful in television with her talk show for the rest of her career in the 80s.
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