Billboard Hot 100: 06/05/2021

[meg]

May 29, 2021 1:52:03 GMT -5 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 said:

meg I’m not trying to be shady I swear...but why do you have Alicia Keys & Beyoncé as pfps? I haven’t seen you mention them before.

I talked about Alicia after her billboard performance. She is my favourite female singer. Well you all talk about Dua, Taylor, Olivia, Ariana, Gaga all the time and I don't like any of them so I don't have any oppurtunity to talk about Alicia or Beyonce. But I do listen to other artists, not only BTS. Only not to the ones who are most popular here.
I don't think it was shady.

[Mathgeek]

May 29, 2021 1:21:28 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

To mess this thread up EVEN MORE lol, I'd argue that BTS were at their heights of popularity around Map of the Soul: 7, that album has their biggest opening on US album chart. Their English hits are just more radio and streaming friendly for the GP globally (thus getting good playlisting and radio deals), but their overall popularity hasn't grown that much if at all.

I don’t think this is true at all. They’ve definitely gotten more popular and BE was just really a sad album. In addition, it didn’t help that they launched it with a $50 price tag in 1 version only to release the same album with no new songs for $35 and a grammy sticker. That was just odd.

The only ones streaming their music are the fans but even those have grown from Dynamite as evidenced by Butter beating whatever dynamite did on both Spotify and YouTube. It’s clearly fans because Apple Music is just not where the fans seem to be and they don’t perform well on that platform.

You can’t really compare albums until they release another in their traditional format. BE wasn’t it.

[sergf13]

May 29, 2021 1:21:28 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

To mess this thread up EVEN MORE lol, I'd argue that BTS were at their heights of popularity around Map of the Soul: 7, that album has their biggest opening on US album chart. Their English hits are just more radio and streaming friendly for the GP globally (thus getting good playlisting and radio deals), but their overall popularity hasn't grown that much if at all.

Yeah this is definitely not true. Their overall streaming metrics now vs when they released MOTS:7 have dramatically increased across every platform, not to mention them gaining tens of millions of followers on YouTube, TikTok, Twitter, Instagram, etc. If your argument is that BE sold less than MOTS:7, that was because BE had only 1 physical version and it cost around $50 compared to the 4 physical versions that MOTS:7 had that all cost $25. BE most likely made more revenue than MOTS:7 in physical sales, actually.

[nathanalbright]

Aren't there other threads where BTS army privates can talk about album sales? Do we really need to deal with that here?

[sergf13]

May 29, 2021 2:37:36 GMT -5 nathanalbright said:

Aren't there other threads where BST army privates can talk about album sales? Do we really need to deal with that here?

I agree that it is off-topic, but it wasn't even an army that brought up their album sales in the first place.

[artv9]

May 29, 2021 1:21:28 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

To mess this thread up EVEN MORE lol, I'd argue that BTS were at their heights of popularity around Map of the Soul: 7, that album has their biggest opening on US album chart. Their English hits are just more radio and streaming friendly for the GP globally (thus getting good playlisting and radio deals), but their overall popularity hasn't grown that much if at all.

Lmao that sounds more like you wishing it was true. If anything they are doing somewhat better on U.S AM compared to last time. And no, their MOTS7 era was considered a ''flop'' in terms of singles, however their album sales were smashing. But you can't really compare both, there are some artists who have abismal album sales, but their singles are always hits and vice versa. Until they drop their future album which doesn't have the same crazy price that BE did and only has one verison, you can't really predict anything based on one release. 

Also what does their English singles being more radio friendly globally has to do with billboard charts??? And U.S radio. lol 


The same tired discussions about BTS in this thread keep being recycled. They will debut with good enough streaming numbers and I think lots of you are being selective because there have been several songs debuting at #1 over other songs that clearly deserved it more and had bigger GP support, yet there were no thinkpieces to this extent. Taylor went #1 with Willow over Mariah which was greatly pushed by her fandom just to have the biggest fall from #1 later on, does this mean Taylor deserves it less? No. Taylor had the power and the backing to pull that off so more power to her. Some people would also argue J.Cole deserved to go #1 cause he had more hype and insane streaming debut numbers but it is what it is. Year-end charts exist too so relax, the songs that are hits will show their hit status through longevity and all of you recycling the same thinkpieces essentially contributes nothing to the conversation.

[Enigma.]

[dremolus - solarpunk]

So much for "ARMYs don't use VPNs"

[nathanalbright]

I suppose it's nice to know that Pulse is a place where BTS army privates can do their required military service by writing thinkpieces complaining about thinkpieces.

[sergf13]

May 29, 2021 2:57:07 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

So much for "ARMYs don't use VPNs"

They don't. 

[meg]

Ah you want Army using vpn to be true so bad. That screenshoot was posted by known BTS anti who is a part of a big gc who is against them and of course a male pop stan as always. It just a measure of regular popular songs regionally. Before you spread it, check who post it. 

Also to be on topic and end that album popularity discussion: 

[Lost In Musical Reverie]

May 28, 2021 17:46:31 GMT -5 gikem said:

Ultimately, I'd argue it's more Billboard's fault for not doing anything to stop this than it is Army's fault for wanting to mass-buy their way to the top. Again, if Billboard wanted to keep their charts as accurate as possible and prevent consumers who know them as well as they do from trying to manipulate it, they'd have patched these problems long ago. They're just actively choosing not to because they're a business, and they know BTS going to #1 yet again will get them lots of publicity and thus revenue.

Then again, I would expect nothing less from the company that didn't allow airplay-only singles to cross over for a solid half-decade in the '90s. They're as slow to adapt to change as the US government is.

Pretty much this.

Ultimately, Billboard is just a chart whose methodology and metrics need to be updated to prevent #1s like "FRANCHISE", "TROLLZ", and "Life Goes On" from happening, but indeed, the publicity ends up taking the priority. This shouldn't be about BTS ARMY vs. chart watchers, but just a criticism on the current formula, which happens to be used to the advantage of stans.

I do stand by my previous point that "Butter" has earned a top 10 debut from its YouTube numbers and radio push alone (+ streaming, even if filtered). As for the sales, it is what it is, really. It's a valid metric, well within the rules, and the ARMY is using it to their benefit - it's no different to the easy top 10 debuts from Bieber, country Taylor, and One Direction, or how the Glee Cast ended up with the most chart entries in Hot 100 history (I wonder how was the community's reaction during that period...). The only difference is that the ARMY is extra dedicated, which has allowed for #1 hits whereas "Boyfriend", "Best Song Ever", and "Today Was A Fairytale" were blocked.

[Enigma.]

For what I recall, people felt very indifferent towards most of the Glee entries as they happened on a weekly basis.

[kiddo1994]

May 28, 2021 18:51:19 GMT -5 korbel16 said:

I wonder if a song will ever hit 100k organically in a week again

Gaga's Shallow 2.0 through Top Gun 
a daydream

[Enigma.]

If only the new version of Smelly Cat got an official release.

[ZERO]

May 29, 2021 1:21:28 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

that album has their biggest opening on US album chart

20 tracks will do that for ya

[ZERO]

May 29, 2021 3:38:18 GMT -5 Lost In Musical Reverie said:

The only difference is that the ARMY is extra dedicated, which has allowed for #1 hits whereas "Boyfriend", "Best Song Ever", and "Today Was A Fairytale" were blocked.

If only we had dedicated Future stans who would buy songs.
God dammit, Future.

[phieaglesfan712]

May 28, 2021 21:41:49 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

^ Lol @ Blinding Lights rising a spot despite 8 song's debuting in the Top 25

BL not quite done yet! It got a boost yesterday due to the iHeartRadio awards, and should climb back into the Top 20 in Week 78, as my life and several Olivia songs should drop below it.

BL could be vulnerable in Weeks 80 and 81. Maroon 5 releases an album on 6/11 and BTS on 6/16 (a Wednesday, and this could spill over to two tracking weeks).

[gikem]

May 29, 2021 7:14:57 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

May 28, 2021 21:41:49 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

^ Lol @ Blinding Lights rising a spot despite 8 song's debuting in the Top 25

BL not quite done yet! It got a boost yesterday due to the iHeartRadio awards, and should climb back into the Top 20 in Week 78, as my life and several Olivia songs should drop below it.

BL could be vulnerable in Weeks 80 and 81. Maroon 5 releases an album on 6/11 and BTS on 6/16 (a Wednesday, and this could spill over to two tracking weeks).

You’re delusional if you think f**king Maroon 5 is gonna have an album bomb in 2021, even with one of the tracks featuring Juice WRLD. Polo G and Migos are both releasing projects that day as well, so they have a much better chance of getting album bombs on the charts.

As for BTS, I’m told that it’s a greatest hits compilation album, not their next album of original material. (With the release of Butter, though, that probably will come sooner rather than later.)

[korbel16]

This is funny

[dremolus - solarpunk]

[phieaglesfan712]

May 29, 2021 7:19:54 GMT -5 gikem said:

May 29, 2021 7:14:57 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

BL not quite done yet! It got a boost yesterday due to the iHeartRadio awards, and should climb back into the Top 20 in Week 78, as my life and several Olivia songs should drop below it.

BL could be vulnerable in Weeks 80 and 81. Maroon 5 releases an album on 6/11 and BTS on 6/16 (a Wednesday, and this could spill over to two tracking weeks).

You’re delusional if you think f**king Maroon 5 is gonna have an album bomb in 2021, even with one of the tracks featuring Juice WRLD. Polo G and Migos are both releasing projects that day as well, so they have a much better chance of getting album bombs on the charts.

As for BTS, I’m told that it’s a greatest hits compilation album, not their next album of original material. (With the release of Butter, though, that probably will come sooner rather than later.)

Beautiful Mistakes should see a boost out of it. I can see some other songs charting in the 26-50 range (this shouldn't affect BL, though). I think of those, Polo G's project has the best chance to produce songs in the Top 25, coming off a #1 hit. I don't see Migos making much of an impact.

[meg]

May 29, 2021 7:19:54 GMT -5 gikem said:

May 29, 2021 7:14:57 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

BL not quite done yet! It got a boost yesterday due to the iHeartRadio awards, and should climb back into the Top 20 in Week 78, as my life and several Olivia songs should drop below it.

BL could be vulnerable in Weeks 80 and 81. Maroon 5 releases an album on 6/11 and BTS on 6/16 (a Wednesday, and this could spill over to two tracking weeks).

You’re delusional if you think f**king Maroon 5 is gonna have an album bomb in 2021, even with one of the tracks featuring Juice WRLD. Polo G and Migos are both releasing projects that day as well, so they have a much better chance of getting album bombs on the charts.

As for BTS, I’m told that it’s a greatest hits compilation album, not their next album of original material. (With the release of Butter, though, that probably will come sooner rather than later.)

That BTS album will probably make no noise on bb200 so you all should not worry about it. It's just their old japanese songs put together. Most of fans don't care about it, just j-armys.

[ZERO]

May 29, 2021 7:28:42 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

I don't see Migos making much of an impact.

Really? I mean, their newest single debuted in the top 40 and that was with a whole album bomb above it. With Hip-Hop acts usually generating more streams on albums, wouldn't that week be comparable to something like the My Turn/YHLQMDLG double album from way last year?

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

May 29, 2021 3:41:29 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

For what I recall, people felt very indifferent towards most of the Glee entries as they happened on a weekly basis.

The big differences is that none of them debuted at #1 and most of them only lasted in the Hot 100 two weeks at most.

[phieaglesfan712]

May 29, 2021 7:43:31 GMT -5 ZERO said:

May 29, 2021 7:28:42 GMT -5 phieaglesfan712 said:

I don't see Migos making much of an impact.

Really? I mean, their newest single debuted in the top 40 and that was with a whole album bomb above it. With Hip-Hop acts usually generating more streams on albums, wouldn't that week be comparable to something like the My Turn/YHLQMDLG double album from way last year?

I can see it making an impact on the 2nd quadrant of the Hot 100 (the 26-50 range), but not really in the Top 25. It should put songs like my ex's best friend, Mood, The Good Ones, and Back In Blood in recurrency (I'm assuming On Me and What You Know Bout Love fall off this week).

[fridayteenage]

May 29, 2021 3:41:29 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

For what I recall, people felt very indifferent towards most of the Glee entries as they happened on a weekly basis.

at least on atrl i remember people being annoyed. that and the voice taking over itunes every week.

album tracks on US Spotify, weekly:
15.86 traitor
15.10 brutal

15.05 the 1
14.86 exile

14.92 nasa
14.60 needy

tho hopefully unlike them, olivia does have post-album-release music videos and pop radio singles.

[Mayman]

May 28, 2021 23:36:59 GMT -5 lugus15 said:

Enough is enough, the way the Olivia stans are acting is unacceptable. Olivia already reached #1.

Ugly, ugly true colors on display here.

The way all of your posts are just attacking a 18 year old girl is quite showing of your character. Grow up.

[dovahduck]

May 29, 2021 9:22:11 GMT -5 Mayman said:

May 28, 2021 23:36:59 GMT -5 lugus15 said:

Enough is enough, the way the Olivia stans are acting is unacceptable. Olivia already reached #1.

Ugly, ugly true colors on display here.

The way all of your posts are just attacking a 18 year old girl is quite showing of your character. Grow up.

They sound like a Walmart manager yelling at teenage employees for wearing airpods fr.

[Groovy]

It looks Save Your Tears has peaked on radio and Kiss Me More will be on top in the near future.