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Post by fearlessarrow on Nov 2, 2021 6:11:17 GMT -5
I was thinking maybe Halloween had to do something with the very recent updates but this seems to point in the direction of the song actually being done. They could really drop "Stay" instead though but what can you do... And just as pop is dropping the song, HAC is picking up the song, got 10 adds there this week.
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Post by NeRD on Nov 2, 2021 6:44:31 GMT -5
So many stations jumped on this song very early while Good 4 U was still rising.
Maybe it's old news now?
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Post by breathingrande on Nov 2, 2021 9:36:12 GMT -5
Radio is a fucking bitch , like how do you let this stall and not even give good ones a chance? Fuck them
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Post by Choco on Nov 2, 2021 10:38:00 GMT -5
Yeah this is ancient news by today's standards and after it hit top 20 it's been kinda clear it's not headed to #1. That's the streaming era for you... this burned way too much demand before being made an actual single.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Nov 2, 2021 10:39:15 GMT -5
Idk, maybe audiences are close to being done with this theme from her. I think this song is fine if it isn’t immediately following drivers licence, deja vu and good 4 u. I know it was a discussion point when the album first came out, and I feel like most agreed that the album’s primary focus on the end of a relationship worked well as a first album, but that doesn’t necessarily mean people want to hear the same topic with the same lyrical intensity in every song from her. At this point, I’m like, okay it’s time to move on. So he’s dating someone new two weeks later that he knew before you broke up. Now we’re just nitpicking.
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Post by Choco on Nov 2, 2021 10:42:43 GMT -5
I do hope the next project is more "brutal" and "good 4 u". The slower stuff is good too but singles-wise, yeah, it feels like she could start getting the musical equivalent to "type-casting" as the break-up girl.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 2, 2021 10:53:17 GMT -5
if it wasn't for Good 4 U, all three singles would sound exactly the same. She is inadvertently pigeonholing herself into this sound. Next single has to be drastically different.
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Post by Taylor. on Nov 2, 2021 10:56:21 GMT -5
Deja Vu sounds nothing like DL or Traitor, lol
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Post by Choco on Nov 2, 2021 11:05:46 GMT -5
Lyrically it did feel a bit been there done that after DL, hence why it was kinda doing meh before the album pushed it up again.
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Post by ampersand on Nov 2, 2021 11:25:01 GMT -5
I don't think the subject matter is really the problem—many artists have built long-lasting careers off break-up songs. I think the bigger issue is that her approach to the topic is not particularly nuanced, which tbh she was 17 when she wrote this album, so what can we expect? Hopefully her next record is more lyrically complex, regardless of whether or not it's another breakup album.
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Post by jodakyellow on Nov 2, 2021 12:37:21 GMT -5
I don't think the subject matter is really the problem—many artists have built long-lasting careers off break-up songs. I think the bigger issue is that her approach to the topic is not particularly nuanced, which tbh she was 17 when she wrote this album, so what can we expect? Hopefully her next record is more lyrically complex, regardless of whether or not it's another breakup album. Overall, it that much less nuanced than other pop artists? Granted it's not the highest bar but I actually found her album in general relatively emotionally mature. That said, this song in particular doesn't have much appeal for older listeners; its entire premise is based on youthful perceptions of relationship mores. ("You talked to her" means something very different to a high schooler, for example.)
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Post by collin on Nov 2, 2021 12:49:06 GMT -5
Seems like it’ll be wisest to leave this as the end of the era then?
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 2, 2021 13:30:14 GMT -5
maybe they "pulled" it from radio. :kii:
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Post by Khia on Nov 2, 2021 13:33:52 GMT -5
I'm glad this didn't go all the way. It's easily the worst of the four singles, and yeah, the subject matter is getting a little old.
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Nov 2, 2021 13:55:34 GMT -5
This is definitely old news now, and for the 4th single, it did amazing job. It's the 6th most streamed female song of 2021 and by the end of the year it'll have 550-600 million streams on Spotify. Who cares about radio.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Nov 2, 2021 15:00:17 GMT -5
I don't think the subject matter is really the problem—many artists have built long-lasting careers off break-up songs. I think the bigger issue is that her approach to the topic is not particularly nuanced, which tbh she was 17 when she wrote this album, so what can we expect? Hopefully her next record is more lyrically complex, regardless of whether or not it's another breakup album. I agree with all this but I think what makes this album (or at least these singles) feel more repetitive than the subject matter of an Adele or Amy Winehouse album is that they feel like the same level of “woe is me” from song to song. But again, she’s 17 and I think these songs are all pretty well-written despite that so that’s why I personally don’t criticize her. For the next album though, yeah, there’ll need to be different angles and perspectives taken.
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Post by leonagwen on Nov 2, 2021 15:32:00 GMT -5
This song had a decent run for a 4th single.I really don't think that this was the planned 4th single. It became the 4th single because some radio stations gave it early airplay and the streaming #s were good. This also had a lack of promo and the music video came out too late.
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Post by nick64 on Nov 2, 2021 15:52:20 GMT -5
Yeah it’s not just that it’s been four straight break up songs. It’s that they’ve ALL been about how fast he moved on and how she’s still hurt. Like it’s the same take on the same topic. And at least one of them (often two) has been in power rotation all year. The Sabrina drama was a hot topic back in January, and the current cultural landscape moves on fast. “Good 4 U” has held on well, probably because it’s the only uptempo song of the bunch, but I can absolutely understand getting burnt out on this era.
But also, yes, this was still an overall success however you slice it.
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Nov 2, 2021 22:56:12 GMT -5
It’s clear that the label didn’t fully commit to this. I mean, that thrown together video is just proof that this was a last minute decision to prolong the era.
But altogether this did great. Top 10 on CHR and Hot 100 and some great live performances of it.
HOWEVER, I am really disappointed that her label doesn’t like playing the charts game. She could have had 4 #1 hits from this album had they played their cards right.
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Post by fearlessarrow on Nov 3, 2021 6:12:23 GMT -5
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Post by Taylor. on Nov 3, 2021 8:18:31 GMT -5
Kind of rude that radio basically forced them into pushing this as the next single only for them to unceremoniously kill it this early.
Fourth and final single should have been jealousy, jealousy!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2021 9:00:09 GMT -5
I don’t think she’s pigeonholing herself, the song took off on its own, and from what I believe wasn’t the intended next single after G4U.
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Post by fearlessarrow on Nov 4, 2021 6:13:31 GMT -5
Final update as it appears to be done.
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Post by collin on Nov 4, 2021 21:55:58 GMT -5
I really didn’t expect this heavy of a free fall. And the video was JUST released. Wtf
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Nov 5, 2021 0:18:40 GMT -5
Was this the Easy On Me effect? Maybe radio programmers didn’t have room for both.
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Post by breathingrande on Nov 5, 2021 3:51:54 GMT -5
Time for Jealousy Jealousy, G4U's & Deja Vu's little winter sister!
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Post by iamsorare on Nov 5, 2021 6:18:32 GMT -5
I love jealousy jealousy but it will do nothing for the era...this is the end of SOUR .a great debut era..traitor did good for a 4th single.. top 10 hit with longevity..
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Post by Eqbk on Nov 6, 2021 0:40:00 GMT -5
Even if this doesn't seem like it will likely go #1 like many had hoped, it was still the best choice for single #4. I'm not even sure there would have been a fourth single had it not essentially taken off on its own. Just look at the music video. It just screams "we blew through most of the budget already". The label not immediately pushing it once it showed promise of being a hit and the music video not being released in a timely manner seem to further hint that perhaps this might be the case.
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Post by Normi on Nov 6, 2021 6:31:11 GMT -5
It wouldn't hurt if she tried j,j for a final single, maybe do a performance and see how far it can go, then she could drop the lead for her second album in Q2/3 2022
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Nov 6, 2021 13:56:04 GMT -5
It wouldn't hurt if she tried j,j for a final single, maybe do a performance and see how far it can go, then she could drop the lead for her second album in Q2/3 2022 I think she’d be smart to stop right here and let people miss her for awhile. She’s had 4 songs on the radio for the last 8-10 months on heavy rotation. On an hour drive home I’d hear all four singles on the same station it was that bad. Another single would be overkill me thinks.
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