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Post by Zoibator on Jun 22, 2021 10:34:23 GMT -5
I have a random question if anyone knows, how could it be that good 4 u is #1 on the Global 200 chart and Butter #2 while Butter is #1 and good 4 u is #2 on both the Hot 100 chart and the Global Excluding US 200 chart? Isn’t the Global 200 a chart that is basically Global Exc. US 200 + Hot 100?
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Post by Mayman on Jun 22, 2021 10:36:49 GMT -5
I have a random question if anyone knows, how could it be that good 4 u is #1 on the Global 200 chart and Butter #2 while Butter is #1 and good 4 u is #2 on both the Hot 100 chart and the Global Excluding US 200 chart? Isn’t the Global 200 a chart that is basically Global Exc. US 200 + Hot 100? Website sales don't count towards the global charts, which is the primary reason for Butter being #1 in the US.
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jun 22, 2021 10:42:14 GMT -5
One thing is clear to me. We probably don’t have all the data. As I understand it if it is growing in its genre it stays That may not necessarily show on the Hot 100 Why do you think it doesn’t belong ? Do we really need all the data to come to a conclusion that OTM is stagnant? It’s not like it’s a new song. OTM was released three-quarters of a year ago, with more than a half year of charting time. I think that is more than enough data to come to a conclusion one way or the other. After all, this is the same Pulse that came to a conclusion that Savage was stagnant before the remix with less than 5 weeks of data, lol. If we can do that, then we can safely conclude that OTM is stagnant.
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Post by nathanalbright on Jun 22, 2021 10:44:27 GMT -5
Apparently OTM has had one too many weeks on the chart for some of our chart watchers.
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Post by Mayman on Jun 22, 2021 10:45:23 GMT -5
One thing is clear to me. We probably don’t have all the data. As I understand it if it is growing in its genre it stays That may not necessarily show on the Hot 100 Why do you think it doesn’t belong ? Do we really need all the data to come to a conclusion that OTM is stagnant? It’s not like it’s a new song. OTM was released three-quarters of a year ago, with more than a half year of charting time. I think that is more than enough data to come to a conclusion one way or the other. After all, this is the same Pulse that came to a conclusion that Savage was stagnant before the remix with less than 5 weeks of data, lol. If we can do that, then we can safely conclude that OTM is stagnant. Can you just accept that you are wrong? OTM is still being promoted to country radio, which is notorious for songs taking a very long time to peak. Once country radio drops the song for good, it will then depart the Hot 100. This has been done for songs several times in the past, including just recently "Forever After All" as well as "Emotionally Scarred". Please get over this, as absolutely nobody except you has a problem with this song charting.
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Post by Zoibator on Jun 22, 2021 10:45:53 GMT -5
I have a random question if anyone knows, how could it be that good 4 u is #1 on the Global 200 chart and Butter #2 while Butter is #1 and good 4 u is #2 on both the Hot 100 chart and the Global Excluding US 200 chart? Isn’t the Global 200 a chart that is basically Global Exc. US 200 + Hot 100? Website sales don't count towards the global charts, which is the primary reason for Butter being #1 in the US. Aaahh I see, thank you!
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jun 22, 2021 10:59:02 GMT -5
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jun 22, 2021 10:59:40 GMT -5
lol, website sales (specifically mass buying on Thursday afternoon) was the sole reason why Butter was #1 this week. Unlike in the past 3 weeks (where Butter at least had some places where it led Good 4 u), G4u owned Butter in every other single metric this week.
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Post by kindofbiased on Jun 22, 2021 11:03:42 GMT -5
By all accounts Butter should not have been #1 this week but at this point it feels like a waste of time to complain. Billboard isn’t changing their website sales rules and the fanbase is only really organizing an effort to get the #1 next week so they can beat some record, after that I truly don’t see it getting back to the top, so many stans already are saying it’s getting harder and harder to get there so :/
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Post by nathanalbright on Jun 22, 2021 11:25:47 GMT -5
I don't think people complain about it because it will necessarily do anything but rather because they feel the need to express their frustration that such a thing is going on.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jun 22, 2021 11:36:55 GMT -5
dremolus - solarpunk : #36. Machine Gun Kelly feat. blackbear - my ex's best friend (+6): this might survive the Doja-Ed week? Doja's new single debuted below it. What do you think? She might have an album bomb on the bottom half. Also, what's up with Spotify still keeping We're Good on TTH. Bless her team 💀 Edit to my statement about MEBF surviving, I almost forgot: Tyler also drops the same day as Doja MEBF is now in danger.
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Post by Gary on Jun 22, 2021 11:38:53 GMT -5
One thing is clear to me. We probably don’t have all the data. As I understand it if it is growing in its genre it stays That may not necessarily show on the Hot 100 Why do you think it doesn’t belong ? Do we really need all the data to come to a conclusion that OTM is stagnant? It’s not like it’s a new song. OTM was released three-quarters of a year ago, with more than a half year of charting time. I think that is more than enough data to come to a conclusion one way or the other. After all, this is the same Pulse that came to a conclusion that Savage was stagnant before the remix with less than 5 weeks of data, lol. If we can do that, then we can safely conclude that OTM is stagnant. Yes I think we do need the data. It may or may not be “stagnant” on the Hot 100 but this is a country song Is it growing in country even by a little bit? That is all that matters here.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jun 22, 2021 11:50:38 GMT -5
By Jim Asker and Gary Trust 6/22/2021
Plus, moves for Dan + Shay and Brantley Gilbert.
Luke Combs' "Forever After All" dominates Billboard's multi-metric Hot Country Songs chart (dated June 26) for an eighth week and Country Airplay for a fourth frame, with 36 million audience impressions in the tracking week, according to MRC Data. It also drew 13.3 million U.S. streams and sold 5,200 downloads.
The song is Combs' sixth of his 11 Country Airplay No. 1s to lead for four weeks or more. Tim McGraw has charted a record eight No. 1s that have reigned for at least four weeks each, followed by Kenny Chesney and Toby Keith with seven each, while George Strait also boasts six.
"Forever" also becomes Combs' first top 10 on the all-format Radio Songs chart, where it rises 11-10 with 40 million in overall reach. Notably, the song is the first to hit the Radio Songs top 10 by charting on Country Airplay but on no other individual genre chart, such as a pop or adult tally, since Radio Songs became an all-genre ranking in December 1998.
While 90% of the airplay for "Forever" in the tracking week was from country stations, and the song is being promoted only to country, Pop Airplay chart reporter WHHY Montgomery, Ala., played it five times in the latest tracking week.
'GLAD' TO HEAR Dan + Shay, the duo of Dan Smyers and Shay Mooney, add their ninth Country Airplay top 10, as "Glad You Exist" climbs 11-9, up 13% to 17.9 million impressions.
The song, which Smyers and Mooney co-penned with Ryan Lewis, Tayla Parx and Jordan Reynolds, is the third single from the duo's forthcoming fourth LP, following "I Should Probably Go to Bed," which peaked at No. 2 on Country Airplay and No. 4 on Hot Country Songs in January.
Lead single "10,000 Hours," with Justin Bieber, dominated Hot Country Songs for 21 weeks beginning in October 2019 and Country Airplay for two frames starting the following January.
All of Dan + Shay's first seven Country Airplay top 10s hit No. 1, starting with "Nothin' Like You" in December 2015.
On Hot Country Songs, "Glad" returns to the top 10 and its highpoint (11-10), with 6.5 million U.S. streams and 1,400 sold.
COUNTRY COMEDY Brantley Gilbert's new tongue-in-cheek single "The Worst Country Song of All Time," featuring Hardy and Toby Keith, debuts at No. 32 on Country Airplay with 3.2 million audience impressions in its first three days following its June 18 release, helped by hourly plays on iHeartMedia stations that day.
Among the song's pitches for its title status: "Stick a fork in the constitution / I support Kim Jong-un and Putin," goes a lyric in the second verse. "Yeah, this is the worst country song of all time."
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Post by jodakyellow on Jun 22, 2021 11:56:16 GMT -5
Where is the tweet announcing its record as the longest #1 via fan group manipulation through web site sales? when you want death threats and address leaked, you can tweet it at your own risk lmao This is what I keep coming back to. Like, if they're working that hard to win the chart game, I have to just live with it. Whatever. But when they get violently defensive about it (and, yes, I know other fanbases do this), that's what makes me not enjoy the charts anymore.
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jun 22, 2021 12:02:10 GMT -5
Luke would be wasting a golden opportunity if he doesn’t send Forever After All to pop for it to crossover.
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Post by jthentic on Jun 22, 2021 12:34:22 GMT -5
dremolus - solarpunk : #36. Machine Gun Kelly feat. blackbear - my ex's best friend (+6): this might survive the Doja-Ed week? Doja's new single debuted below it. What do you think? She might have an album bomb on the bottom half. Also, what's up with Spotify still keeping We're Good on TTH. Bless her team 💀 Edit to my statement about MEBF surviving, I almost forgot: Tyler also drops the same day as Doja MEBF is now in danger. (Dunno what's up with him lol he jst dropped another track moments ago) The whole old #30-50 segment might be in danger but looking @ lumberjack's performance ( #38 on Spotify, #117 on AM) idk what's in store
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jun 22, 2021 13:04:51 GMT -5
Edit to my statement about MEBF surviving, I almost forgot: Tyler also drops the same day as Doja MEBF is now in danger. (Dunno what's up with him lol he jst dropped another track moments ago) The whole old #30-50 segment might be in danger but looking @ lumberjack's performance ( #38 on Spotify, #117 on AM) idk what's in store Considering he got a full album bomb plus his first Top 40 hit with the surprise drop of IGOR, imagine how he'll be able to top himself with a project with some hype behind it
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Post by fernando4 on Jun 22, 2021 13:17:56 GMT -5
That was just a promo single released the same day as Polo G and Migos and by the end of the week, it was higher than any song from either album except RAPSTAR, and Kiss Me More debuted in the Top 10, not to mention Streets and Say So were Top 5 on streaming. She's grown a lot in exposure since Hot Pink, I don't think she'll just do a bottom half album-bomb No way Doja will do better on streaming with her album than Polo G or BabyDurk. She has hits, sure, but does she have a fanbase to stream the album for a week? I'd say she'll have 1-2 top 40 debuts + the two that are there already. I would say more. "You Right" is probably gonna get pushed as the next single, "I Don't Do Drugs" has Ariana in it so its maybe a guarantee, and her track "Ain't Shit" has been trending on TikTok for almost a year now so I expect that to have a high debut too. But we'll see...
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Post by Naos on Jun 22, 2021 14:46:40 GMT -5
Luke would be wasting a golden opportunity if he doesn’t send Forever After All to pop for it to crossover. Similarly to how Thomas Rhett wasted it by not sending "Die a Happy Man".
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Post by Groovy on Jun 22, 2021 15:09:09 GMT -5
We're Good exiting would be a perfect time to push Love Again right? Yeah, didn't think so either. It's happening
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Jun 22, 2021 15:19:22 GMT -5
Luke Combs actually has a legit Billboard first - for an entire era no less - it took 22+ years for this to happen.
Obviously, this is further proof how many listeners have abandoned other formats rather than Country radio growth. It's makes sense since Country always lags - late on iTunes, late on Streaming, etc. Country radio will eventually experience steep declines like the rest.
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Post by pancakes on Jun 22, 2021 15:32:39 GMT -5
I’ve heard so many people explain why they want a song to be #1 but I’ve genuinely never heard “stocks” as a reason lmaooo HYBE up by 5% today 🚀🚀🚀
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jun 22, 2021 15:52:08 GMT -5
Not sure why Maroon 5 pushed this one:
Should have pushed echo instead. With blackbear coming of MEBF, that one had the makings of a sleeper hit. Maybe M5 will push it after Lost busts.
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Post by Gary on Jun 22, 2021 15:59:02 GMT -5
Longest charting hits - songs failed to make the top 40
Weeks Title, Artist 34 The Cup Of Life (The Official Song Of The World Cup, France '98), Ricky Martin 34 Breathe (2 A.M.), Anna Nalick 31 Video, India.Arie 30 El Perdon (Forgiveness), Nicky Jam & Enrique Iglesias 29 Sexual (Li Da Di), Amber 29 Madness, Muse 29 HeadBand, B.o.B Featuring 2 Chainz 27 No Tengo Dinero, Los Umbrellos 27 The Rockafeller Skank, Fatboy Slim 27 One Too Many, Keith Urban Duet With P!nk
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Post by nathanalbright on Jun 22, 2021 19:14:47 GMT -5
I’ve heard so many people explain why they want a song to be #1 but I’ve genuinely never heard “stocks” as a reason lmaooo HYBE up by 5% today 🚀🚀🚀 Are you going to keep us up to date on the state of your stonks portfoilio?
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Post by 85la on Jun 22, 2021 19:57:31 GMT -5
And super ironic how they sure don't care at all about taking any extra time to verify such a close call. I think this happened last week as well, the chart reveal has come out about an hour sooner than usual. Yet for the Dua/Silk Sonic battle, it took them 2 days to audit a few extra questionable sales. Aren't we talking about different situations, though? No one's really questioning the legitimacy of the BTS sales under Billboard's rules ... they're questioning whether those types of sales (or sales in general) accurately reflect the song's popularity/success. I thought the issue with past "audits" was whether the sales even met Billboard's existing criteria for legitimacy. Basically yes I agree with you guys, I am on your side, I am just pointing out the general irony that the reveal of what most of us agree shouldn't be #1 has come out sooner than usual - that Billboard hasn't even given it a second thought.
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Post by Choco on Jun 22, 2021 19:59:01 GMT -5
I had no idea "Breathe" charted for so long. Grey's Anatomy introduced me to it, and I have loved it ever since.
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Post by nathanalbright on Jun 22, 2021 20:04:54 GMT -5
Longest charting hits - songs failed to make the top 40 Weeks Title, Artist 34 The Cup Of Life (The Official Song Of The World Cup, France '98), Ricky Martin 34 Breathe (2 A.M.), Anna Nalick 31 Video, India.Arie 30 El Perdon (Forgiveness), Nicky Jam & Enrique Iglesias 29 Sexual (Li Da Di), Amber 29 Madness, Muse 29 HeadBand, B.o.B Featuring 2 Chainz 27 No Tengo Dinero, Los Umbrellos 27 The Rockafeller Skank, Fatboy Slim 27 One Too Many, Keith Urban Duet With P!nk I really like a lot of these songs, I must admit.
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jun 22, 2021 20:27:05 GMT -5
Aren't we talking about different situations, though? No one's really questioning the legitimacy of the BTS sales under Billboard's rules ... they're questioning whether those types of sales (or sales in general) accurately reflect the song's popularity/success. I thought the issue with past "audits" was whether the sales even met Billboard's existing criteria for legitimacy. Basically yes I agree with you guys, I am on your side, I am just pointing out the general irony that the reveal of what most of us agree shouldn't be #1 has come out sooner than usual - that Billboard hasn't even given it a second thought. I think we need to eliminate the staggered tracking week. Make the radio tracking week Friday-Thursday (like sales and streaming), so we can have a consistent Friday reveal like the ARIA charts. Move the chart date up to the previous Wednesday (or do a Wednesday/Saturday like in early 2018 to get it to the Saturday before) to make the dates look more accurate. What is ridiculous is that we have to wait 3 (sometimes 4 when Monday is holiday, or even 5 when we have a fiasco like LTDO/Levitating) extra days for a reveal when the data for sales and streaming are in on Friday morning.
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Post by notgoodenglish on Jun 22, 2021 20:34:25 GMT -5
The Cup of Life is a classic. France 98 was an amazing world cup.
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