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Post by raylatch98 on Jul 22, 2021 8:34:26 GMT -5
Everybody has their opinions about Wallen on here and mine are most definitely in the minority. Either way you can’t deny the success and quality of the “Dangerous” album, nor the fan base Wallen has. He has something many artists don’t anymore and that is authenticity and actual country music. Also is a great performer. He made a mistake, he’s suffered the consequences, now let’s see how he does. If he had said what he did in a racist or derogatory way to a black person there’s no defending him, but he did something so many people do all the time and people don’t bat an eye at, the only reason it got blew up like it did was because of the culture this past year. You can’t expect a person to make up for mistakes if they aren’t given a chance. so I take issue with what you said here for a few reasons. First you said that no one can deny the quality of the "Dangerous" album and before the whole controversy I had heard a couple of what many consider the best songs on the album and I think they are subpar and nothing better than what a lot of his contemporaries are releasing, plus I personally do not enjoy his so-called actual country music since to me it isn't actual country music. That doesn't make him any more authentic than any other artist imo. Now you mention that he made a mistake and that he suffered the consequences; what consequences? You mean the industry blacklisting him for a few months in the public eye while they work with him in the background to prepare for his comeback (and you cannot tell me that isn't happening).He's a white person using a word that is inappropriate for a white person to use, end of story. There is no denying or defending that in my, and many others, eyes. You can be in the minority and continually cry out that black people do this or that but it does not change the fact that it is inappropriate for him to use the word in any context! The only people who don't bat an eye at a white person using that word are usually racist, whether it be a form of ignorant racism or outright racism it is racism. Blaming the reason this blew up like it did on the public culture of this past year shows how little you understood of what was actually happening. As for him not being given a chance to make up for the mistakes he has made in the past year: umm he's had plenty of chances and hasn't learned from any as far as anyone can see. He was approached to meet and learn from many black organizations and he failed to do so. How is that learning from it? He did nothing and is just being welcomed back like there is no issue. for me I will not support any radio station, award show, or any other event that includes him because I feel he has done nothing to earn another chance, he's had plenty. Let's give some other well talented artist more focus and move on from this guy who refuses to learn anything. I don't want this conversation to end (nice try stanches there is still more to discuss, so please don't try to distract/bury this conversation) yet especially after a great post like this. This bolded part is why I really have a hard time 1. Believing Morgan Wallen truly suffered consequences for his actions, 2. Trusting the country music industry Do people not forget that Morgan Wallen said the N word not even 6 months ago and yet the country music industry is already welcoming him back with open arms. Only spending a few months blacklisted from country radio doesn't even begin to amount that Morgan Wallen needs to be held accountable for his actions. Also Morgan Wallen not even meeting and learn from black organizations should throw out the whole notion that he is sorry or learned from his mistakes. If he was truly sorry he would have learned why the N word should not be said or uttered at all by anyone including him. So can people here please for the love of everything, 1. Stop defending the N word in any context, 2. Stop defending people saying the N word especially white people, 3. Stop insisting Morgan Wallen learned his lesson and should be forgiven when there is no evidence of that.
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Post by stanches2318 on Jul 22, 2021 9:21:43 GMT -5
Make a different thread for this conversation on this board so we can continue talking about it. let this topic be about the 2021 CMA awards.
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Post by recordyear on Jul 22, 2021 9:31:48 GMT -5
Yeah especially it is this very post that made the thread run off-topic. He should. He made a important mistake and then he served his time off. So I’m glad that they are playing him again on the radio. Hopefully soon everything with him will be back to normal. On-topic: Hope EC can be nominated and win something. Most importantly, hope Heart on Fire is performed in it and be a big single because of this.
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Post by country11 on Jul 22, 2021 9:37:09 GMT -5
so I take issue with what you said here for a few reasons. First you said that no one can deny the quality of the "Dangerous" album and before the whole controversy I had heard a couple of what many consider the best songs on the album and I think they are subpar and nothing better than what a lot of his contemporaries are releasing, plus I personally do not enjoy his so-called actual country music since to me it isn't actual country music. That doesn't make him any more authentic than any other artist imo. Now you mention that he made a mistake and that he suffered the consequences; what consequences? You mean the industry blacklisting him for a few months in the public eye while they work with him in the background to prepare for his comeback (and you cannot tell me that isn't happening).He's a white person using a word that is inappropriate for a white person to use, end of story. There is no denying or defending that in my, and many others, eyes. You can be in the minority and continually cry out that black people do this or that but it does not change the fact that it is inappropriate for him to use the word in any context! The only people who don't bat an eye at a white person using that word are usually racist, whether it be a form of ignorant racism or outright racism it is racism. Blaming the reason this blew up like it did on the public culture of this past year shows how little you understood of what was actually happening. As for him not being given a chance to make up for the mistakes he has made in the past year: umm he's had plenty of chances and hasn't learned from any as far as anyone can see. He was approached to meet and learn from many black organizations and he failed to do so. How is that learning from it? He did nothing and is just being welcomed back like there is no issue. for me I will not support any radio station, award show, or any other event that includes him because I feel he has done nothing to earn another chance, he's had plenty. Let's give some other well talented artist more focus and move on from this guy who refuses to learn anything. I don't want this conversation to end (nice try stanches there is still more to discuss, so please don't try to distract/bury this conversation) yet especially after a great post like this. This bolded part is why I really have a hard time 1. Believing Morgan Wallen truly suffered consequences for his actions, 2. Trusting the country music industry Do people not forget that Morgan Wallen said the N word not even 6 months ago and yet the country music industry is already welcoming him back with open arms. Only spending a few months blacklisted from country radio doesn't even begin to amount that Morgan Wallen needs to be held accountable for his actions. Also Morgan Wallen not even meeting and learn from black organizations should throw out the whole notion that he is sorry or learned from his mistakes. If he was truly sorry he would have learned why the N word should not be said or uttered at all by anyone including him. So can people here please for the love of everything, 1. Stop defending the N word in any context, 2. Stop defending people saying the N word especially white people, 3. Stop insisting Morgan Wallen learned his lesson and should be forgiven when there is no evidence of that. I guess I see being kept off radio, not touring, and missing out on multiple hits being consequences. Had any of this not happened it would honestly pretty much be him and Luke Combs trading out number ones. Another thing, none of us know what Morgan has done behind closed doors when it comes to meeting with people and all that. We do know artists like Darius Rucker has hung out with him and If I remember right there was something about Jimmie Allen talking to with him about the whole situation. If they can support him I don’t see why others can’t give him a chance. As far as the N word goes just axe it completely and the issue is gone. If it’s going to be allowed in rap culture, context has to be taken into account when it is said outside of it before somebody is punished for saying it. As for the previous post about the music quality, he has different styles on that album but there is no denying that songs like “Need a Boat” and “Whiskey’d My Way” are country. Honestly, there’s not a song on that album that I didn’t like upon first listen and I still listen to it pretty much everyday becasue I enjoy it. He’s a relatable artist and actually sounds country, same thing that drew a lot of people to Luke Combs, and why he was starting to blow up before everything happened. But if it’s isn’t for you then that’s your opinion
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Post by bboat11 on Jul 22, 2021 10:06:10 GMT -5
Wallen’s work will be nominated. Of that, I am sure. And they’d absolutely nominate him for everything else if they could. He’s been relinquished from his fuckups in the eyes of the Nashville industry. He should. He made a important mistake and then he served his time off. So I’m glad that they are playing him again on the radio. Hopefully soon everything with him will be back to normal. Don't worry, he'll be back to pawning his child onto his lonely baby mama so he can go out and shove his tongue down 18-year-old girls' throats soon enough! That's the guy his fans want, and that's the guy they're gonna get! He has absolutely no reason to stop being that way now. In fact, he'll probably do it to celebrate his big night at the CMAs...
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Post by 14887fan on Jul 22, 2021 14:41:21 GMT -5
Make a different thread for this conversation on this board so we can continue talking about it. let this topic be about the 2021 CMA awards. Oh my god shut it, you do not get to rock the boat with awful, ignorant posts and then decidedly get tired once you see your (bad) opinion become the one that’s slashed and burned, and then tell everyone *else* to take *your* mess into another thread.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jul 22, 2021 16:45:20 GMT -5
As far as the N word goes just axe it completely and the issue is gone. If it’s going to be allowed in rap culture, context has to be taken into account when it is said outside of it before somebody is punished for saying it. Here's all the context you need. Hope that helps.
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Post by bigfan101 on Jul 28, 2021 12:35:52 GMT -5
New CMA Nominee Showcase website is live: www.cmanomineeshowcase.com/2021/ I'm assuming it will be updated around 8/2 when the second round of voting begins. Usually it features the final 15 or so in each category.
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Post by christianlarson9 on Jul 28, 2021 16:03:34 GMT -5
Question for everyone: Is there a chance that a critical favorite could win New Artist of the Year like Ashley McBryde did a few years ago? I know Gabby Barrett will likely win, but I would love to see an upset by Ingrid Andress or Lainey Wilson.
I feel like the winner of this award should be someone who is here for the long run and I don't see Gabby being here for as long as some people think.
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Jul 28, 2021 18:43:26 GMT -5
Question for everyone: Is there a chance that a critical favorite could win New Artist of the Year like Ashley McBryde did a few years ago? I know Gabby Barrett will likely win, but I would love to see an upset by Ingrid Andress or Lainey Wilson. I feel like the winner of this award should be someone who is here for the long run and I don't see Gabby being here for as long as some people think. One can hope! Especially if it’s Ingrid that steals it from her. I do think it’s Gabby’s to lose though. If Mickey Guyton is eligible, I could see her potentially getting an upset. I don’t know if anyone other than Mickey/Ingrid have the critical acclaim to beat the commercial success Gabby’s had. But Morgan Wallen did win last year so Gabby winning would be on brand for the CMAs.
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Post by christianlarson9 on Jul 28, 2021 18:56:18 GMT -5
Question for everyone: Is there a chance that a critical favorite could win New Artist of the Year like Ashley McBryde did a few years ago? I know Gabby Barrett will likely win, but I would love to see an upset by Ingrid Andress or Lainey Wilson. I feel like the winner of this award should be someone who is here for the long run and I don't see Gabby being here for as long as some people think. One can hope! Especially if it’s Ingrid that steals it from her. I do think it’s Gabby’s to lose though. If Mickey Guyton is eligible, I could see her potentially getting an upset. I don’t know if anyone other than Mickey/Ingrid have the critical acclaim to beat the commercial success Gabby’s had. But Morgan Wallen did win last year so Gabby winning would be on brand for the CMAs. I'm bias since I'm a huge Ingrid fan, but she deserves it so bad. She has been snubbed so bad at every award show and it makes me upset. I feel like everything was going well for her before Gabby became a thing. She has definitely overshadowed her a lot and it doesn't help that they're labelmates... I will say, I would be thrilled if Mickey is eligible and won. She is long overdue for recognition!
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Post by christianlarson9 on Jul 28, 2021 19:00:55 GMT -5
Circling back to the Female Vocalist nominations, I forgot to say that I've spoken with a few CMA voters and they think Gabby will get in and that Carly and Kelsea will end up fighting for that last spot, but they're leaning more towards Carly as they think she's an easy target to be left out.
Personally, I'm leaning towards Gabby not getting in this year, but I see her getting in next year. I hope it works out that way because I would hate to see Carly or Kelsea left out. Carly has certainly earned her spot and Kelsea has too especially after losing it last year.
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Jul 28, 2021 19:01:26 GMT -5
One can hope! Especially if it’s Ingrid that steals it from her. I do think it’s Gabby’s to lose though. If Mickey Guyton is eligible, I could see her potentially getting an upset. I don’t know if anyone other than Mickey/Ingrid have the critical acclaim to beat the commercial success Gabby’s had. But Morgan Wallen did win last year so Gabby winning would be on brand for the CMAs. I'm bias since I'm a huge Ingrid fan, but deserves it so bad. She has been snubbed so bad at every award show and it makes me upset. I feel like everything was going well for her before Gabby became a thing. She has definitely overshadowed her a lot and it doesn't help that they're labelmates... I will say, I would be thrilled if Mickey is eligible and won. She is long overdue for recognition! 100% agree. Ingrid is unique, ridiculously talented, and adds a lot to the genre. Not to mention, “More Hearts Than Mine” is one of the best songs to come out of the genre in years. I’d much, much rather see Ingrid (or Mickey) win as they both add to the genre immensely.
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Post by 14887fan on Jul 29, 2021 20:27:44 GMT -5
Showcase site is live & updated with the finalists for nominations. No duos or groups at all for EOTY. Only women are Miranda Lambert and Carrie Underwood. Somehow Lee Brice is in there, again. And to absolutely nobody’s surprise, Garth Brooks is included. (He was included last year, too, but didn’t make the final 5.) www.cmanomineeshowcase.com/2021/
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Post by 14887fan on Jul 29, 2021 20:34:18 GMT -5
I actually don’t know how convinced I am that Maren Morris is a FVOTY lock this year. Her 2021 has been pretty quiet. I don’t know how well “Better Than We Found It” will fare with the voting body, her success with “The Bones” was highlighted at last year’s show, and she hasn’t had any other big thing come out this past year besides her collab with Ryan Hurd. I’d say she’s on thinner ice than Kelsea, Carrie, and Carly. I think FVOTY will consist of: Gabby Barrett, Miranda Lambert, Carrie Underwood, and any 2 of Kelsea Ballerini, Maren Morris, or Carly Pearce taking the 4th & 5th slots. I truly don’t see CU losing her spot here in the same way she did at the ACMs; My Savior has been an undeniable force. Apologies for the double-post, but in light of the showcase site now being live and seeing that the only things Kelsea Ballerini is shortlisted for are FVOTY and Video (‘Hometown’), I think FVOTY will consist of Carly, Gabby, Maren, Miranda, and Carrie. Carly and Gabby are shortlisted in several categories, as is Maren, and both Miranda and Carrie are everywhere + the only two women still in the running for EOTY. Sad to see it because I’ve loved her output this era, but I don’t know how confident I am in KB’s chances anymore. Would love to see Gabby omitted for KB (or a real left-of-center shock like Mickey Guyton), but I’m just not confident enough in that happening.
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Post by christianlarson9 on Jul 29, 2021 20:55:02 GMT -5
Does the order of everything in each category mean anything?
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Jul 29, 2021 20:58:41 GMT -5
I actually don’t know how convinced I am that Maren Morris is a FVOTY lock this year. Her 2021 has been pretty quiet. I don’t know how well “Better Than We Found It” will fare with the voting body, her success with “The Bones” was highlighted at last year’s show, and she hasn’t had any other big thing come out this past year besides her collab with Ryan Hurd. I’d say she’s on thinner ice than Kelsea, Carrie, and Carly. I think FVOTY will consist of: Gabby Barrett, Miranda Lambert, Carrie Underwood, and any 2 of Kelsea Ballerini, Maren Morris, or Carly Pearce taking the 4th & 5th slots. I truly don’t see CU losing her spot here in the same way she did at the ACMs; My Savior has been an undeniable force. Apologies for the double-post, but in light of the showcase site now being live and seeing that the only things Kelsea Ballerini is shortlisted for are FVOTY and Video (‘Hometown’), I think FVOTY will consist of Carly, Gabby, Maren, Miranda, and Carrie. Carly and Gabby are shortlisted in several categories, as is Maren, and both Miranda and Carrie are everywhere + the only two women still in the running for EOTY. Sad to see it because I’ve loved her output this era, but I don’t know how confident I am in KB’s chances anymore. Would love to see Gabby omitted for KB (or a real left-of-center shock like Mickey Guyton), but I’m just not confident enough in that happening. I do agree with you that maybe Kelsea gets left off of the FVOTY final ballot in place of Gabby, but Gabby is only listed in Single and Song and New Artist and then Carly is listed for Album, Song, and Video. Kelsea has a nom for Musical Event on top of Video, so she’s only 1 short of the other girls right now and I don’t think “Kelsea” was eligible for Album. I do hope Kelsea can get in over Gabby though. I’ll be upset if Gabby knocks her or Carly out.
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Jul 29, 2021 20:59:37 GMT -5
Does the order of everything in each category mean anything? Alphabetical order. By last name for the artists.
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Post by 14887fan on Jul 29, 2021 21:15:14 GMT -5
Apologies for the double-post, but in light of the showcase site now being live and seeing that the only things Kelsea Ballerini is shortlisted for are FVOTY and Video (‘Hometown’), I think FVOTY will consist of Carly, Gabby, Maren, Miranda, and Carrie. Carly and Gabby are shortlisted in several categories, as is Maren, and both Miranda and Carrie are everywhere + the only two women still in the running for EOTY. Sad to see it because I’ve loved her output this era, but I don’t know how confident I am in KB’s chances anymore. Would love to see Gabby omitted for KB (or a real left-of-center shock like Mickey Guyton), but I’m just not confident enough in that happening. I do agree with you that maybe Kelsea gets left off of the FVOTY final ballot in place of Gabby, but Gabby is only listed in Single and Song and New Artist and then Carly is listed for Album, Song, and Video. Kelsea has a nom for Musical Event on top of Video, so she’s only 1 short of the other girls right now and I don’t think “Kelsea” was eligible for Album. I do hope Kelsea can get in over Gabby though. I’ll be upset if Gabby knocks her or Carly out. Ah, I missed her in Event. Thank you for pointing that out! Still, with all of this being taken into consideration, including the categories in which both Carly & Gabby are present, I’m just…not sold on Kelsea getting in. Which, again, would sincerely disappoint me, but I’ve definitely lost some faith.
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Post by christianlarson9 on Jul 29, 2021 21:17:19 GMT -5
I think Kelsea is gonna be left out. 1. She's on an independent label which has never really helped her when it comes to awards. 2. She seems to be an easy target to be left out.
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Post by christianlarson9 on Jul 29, 2021 21:17:50 GMT -5
Question: Is this showcase thing only opened for this round?
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Post by cousingerard on Jul 29, 2021 21:22:27 GMT -5
Toby Keith in EOTY lol
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Post by recordyear on Jul 29, 2021 21:47:06 GMT -5
Question: Is this showcase thing only opened for this round? Yes.
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Post by christianlarson9 on Jul 29, 2021 22:32:11 GMT -5
So what is everyone's predictions now that we know who is all shortlisted?
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Post by Typo on Jul 29, 2021 22:36:59 GMT -5
Looking at the potential AOTY nominees…”My Savior” deserves to run away with that tbh.
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Post by christianlarson9 on Jul 29, 2021 22:53:38 GMT -5
I'm working on predictions right now and for Album of the Year, I'm struggling to come up with a 5th album. My 4 picks as of right now are "My Savior", "Starting Over", "The Marfa Tapes" and "Dangerous". I can't decide between "Heart", "Country Again" and "Skeletons" for the 5th slot...
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Post by Typo on Jul 29, 2021 22:57:23 GMT -5
I’d bet on Eric being in there. I’m not sold on Morgan getting enough votes. Actually I could see Marfa Tapes being left out too because I think it’s a little too niche.
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Post by stanches2318 on Jul 29, 2021 23:35:14 GMT -5
My predictions after seeing that are:
Entertainer- Church, Combs, Rhett, Shelton, Underwood Female- Ballerini, Barrett, Lambert, Morris, Underwood Male- Brown, Church, Combs, Rhett, Shelton Group- Lady A, Little Big Town, Old Dominion, Parmalee, Rascal Flatts Duo- Brothers Osborne, Dan + Shay, Florida Georgia Line, LoCash, Maddie & Tae New- Allen, Barrett, Denning, Hardy, Wilson Album- Country Again, Dangerous, Mixtape, My Savior, Skeletons Single- Famous Friends, Forever After All, Good Ones, One Of Those Girls, What’s Your Country Song Song- Famous Friends, Forever After All, Good Ones, Hell Of A View, Made For You Video- Famous Friends, Forever After All, Half Of My Hometown, Made For You, Things A Man Oughta Know Vocal- Chasing After You, Famous Friends, Half Of My Hometown, One Beer, Undivided
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Post by recordyear on Jul 30, 2021 0:08:54 GMT -5
The Second Ballot: {Spoiler} Entertainer of the year Jason Aldean Dierks Bentley Lee Brice Garth Brooks Luke Bryan Kenny Chesney Eric Church Luke Combs Toby Keith Miranda Lambert Thomas Rhett Blake Shelton Chris Stapleton Carrie Underwood Keith Urban
Single of the year Ain't Always The Cowboy Be A Light Better Together Blame It On You Die From A Broken Heart Famous Friends Forever After All Glad You Exist God Whispered Your Name Gone The Good Ones Got What I Got Hallelujah Happy Anywhere Hell Of A View I Called Mama Love You Like I Used To Made For You One Night Standards One Of Them Girls Single Saturday Night Starting Over What's Your Country Song
Album of the year 29 Bettie James Body Language Born Here Live Here Die Here Country Again: Side A Dangerous: The Double Album Heart heart theory Here On Earth Hey World Life Rolls On The Marfa Tapes Mixtape Vol. 1 - EP My Savior Skeletons Southern Symphony THE SPEED OF NOW Part 1 Starting Over Sunday Drive Where Have You Gone
Song of the year Ain't Always The Cowboy Buy Dirt Chasing After You Famous Friends Forever After All The Good Ones Got What I Got Hallelujah Happy Anywhere Hell Of A View Love You Like I Used To Made For You More Than My Hometown Need A Bar Sometimes Next Girl ONE BEER One Night Standards One Of Them Girls Settling Down Starting Over What's Your Country Song
Female vocalist of the year Lauren Alaina Ingrid Andress Tenille Arts Kelsea Ballerini Gabby Barrett Cam Ruthie Collins Lindsay Ell Mickey Guyton Miranda Lambert Ashley McBryde Reba McEntire Maren Morris Kacey Musgraves Carly Pearce Maggie Rose Brittney Spencer Taylor Swift Tenille Townes Carrie Underwood Trisha Yearwood
Male vocalist of the year Jason Aldean Dierks Bentley Lee Brice Garth Brooks Kane Brown Luke Bryan Kenny Chesney Eric Church Luke Combs Brett Eldredge Alan Jackson Toby Keith Tim McGraw Jake Owen Jon Pardi Thomas Rhett Blake Shelton Chris Stapleton Keith Urban Brett Young Chris Young
Vocal group of the year The Cadillac Three The Chicks Eli Young Band Home Free Lady A LANCO Little Big Town Midland The Oak Ridge Boys Old Dominion Parmalee Rascal Flatts Restless Road Runaway June Zac Brown Band
Vocal duo of the year American Young The Bellamy Brothers Big & Rich Brooks & Dunn Brothers Osborne Dan + Shay Florida Georgia Line Kat & Alex LOCASH Maddie & Tae Pryor & Lee Seaforth SmithField Sugarland Walker County
Musical Event of the year Buy Dirt Chasing After You Cold Beer Calling My Name Dear Rodeo Drunk (And I Don't Wanna Go Home) Famous Friends Freedom Was A Highway Getting Over Him Great Is Thy Faithfulness half of my hometown Happy Anywhere It's About Time Just The Way Lil Bit Nobody (R3HAB Remix) ONE BEER One Too Many Undivided What The Stars See The Worst Country Song of All Time
Musician of the year Jenee Fleenor - Fiddle Paul Franklin - Steel Guitar Aaron Sterling - Drums Ilya Toshinskiy - Banjo Derek Wells - Guitar
Music video of the year Blame It On You Chasing After You Dear Rodeo Famous Friends Forever After All Gone half of my hometown Hallelujah I Should Probably Go To Bed Knowing You Made For You Need A Bar Sometimes Next Girl One Too Many Settling Down Tequila Little Time Things A Man Oughta Know What's Your Country Song Worldwide Beautiful Younger Me
New artist of the year Jimmie Allen Ingrid Andress Tenille Arts Gabby Barrett Jordan Davis Travis Denning Russell Dickerson Riley Green Mickey Guyton Caylee Hammack HARDY Ryan Hurd Cody Johnson Parker McCollum Niko Moon Jameson Rodgers Dylan Scott DYLAN SCOTT Tenille Townes Walker County Lainey Wilson
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Post by recordyear on Jul 30, 2021 0:29:36 GMT -5
There is no exceptional critical acclaim for My Savior. The critical acclaimed country album released this year so far is The Marfa Tapes (check the mid-year critics lists). It will be treated mainly as an album with strong sales, which is still outsold by Dangerous and Starting Over. The two locks for AOTY are Dangerous and Starting Over because they both have huge hits and album sales, and also critical acclaims for Starting Over. Heart, Country Again: Side A, The Marfa Tapes, My Savior are contenders. Where Have You Gone is the dark horse.
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