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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jul 14, 2021 8:24:36 GMT -5
Now, back to the regularly scheduled BTS/Olivia Rodrigo discussion. Nah, that argument has become old and stale also. A more interesting discussion is whether Billboard needs to change the weight distribution of its Hot 100 formula. Particularly adding back UGC and downweighing sales to make it more difficult for artists to use website sales (Travis Scott) to get dubious one-week #1 debuts or stans from mass buying (BTS) to steal extra weeks at #1. |
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Post by rimetm on Jul 14, 2021 8:32:10 GMT -5
While I concur that the sales system is badly in need of tweaks (pricing tiers, formula weight, making the bulk limit per version 1, making the bulk limit in total 4 as opposed to 4 per version), I canβt get behind bringing UGC back. I think Billboard noticed that the Song UGC videos, namely fan lyric videos, were getting cut to ribbons in vetting and not actually contributing much except in rare cases. As to Non-Song UGC, I think itβs pretty self evident why those shouldnβt come back: Harlem Shake is the prime example of why a song only ever consumed as a fragment shouldnβt have that success directly translate to the charts.
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Post by Az Paynter on Jul 14, 2021 8:47:27 GMT -5
There's a fundamental difference between BTS' huge sales and Aaron Lewis' sales windfall; that being, I can legitimately believe 50k people actually bought the song. Those people are trashy af, but the sales are legitimate. BTS on the other hand, we already have the evidence that tells us it's a MUCH smaller group than 50k buying exceedingly excessively copies of their music week in and week out.
Sales themselves aren't the problem. It's the asshats aping the system.
Honestly? I think there is more value to sales in recent times. Sure, they're in the toilet as a whole but the fact that there are still people out there willing to offer up their coin to buy music deserves to be reflected. Especially if/when artists offer up actual physical product. So I hate reading arguments that sales should be removed (they shouldn't) or that they should be weighed less (they shouldn't). I'm not advocating for sales to weigh more either, just leave them tf alone as they are and address the mass-buying scam loophole instead (which is, y'know the actual problem with sales).
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Post by Choco on Jul 14, 2021 9:08:41 GMT -5
There's a fundamental difference between BTS' huge sales and Aaron Lewis' sales windfall; that being, I can legitimately believe 50k people actually bought the song. Those people are trashy af, but the sales are legitimate. BTS on the other hand, we already have the evidence that tells us it's a MUCH smaller group than 50k buying exceedingly excessively copies of their music week in and week out. Sales themselves aren't the problem. It's the asshats aping the system. Honestly? I think there is more value to sales in recent times. Sure, they're in the toilet as a whole but the fact that there are still people out there willing to offer up their coin to buy music deserves to be reflected. Especially if/when artists offer up actual physical product. So I hate reading arguments that sales should be removed (they shouldn't) or that they should be weighed less (they shouldn't). I'm not advocating for sales to weigh more either, just leave them tf alone as they are and address the mass-buying scam loophole instead (which is, y'know the actual problem with sales). I had not thought about the last paragraph but it's a good point. I just think it'd be hard to enforce a rule that can erase the mass buying impact without negating legitimate sales... maybe audit harder? And one copy per credit card. One copy of the song, not one copy of each version. Otherwise instead of 60 versions of "Butter" we'll get 600. |
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Jul 14, 2021 9:11:27 GMT -5
Whoβs releasing this Friday? Pop Smoke is releasing an album, so Mood and MEBF will likely be heading to recurrency. Blinding Lights should be safe for an 85th week because the Heartless/BL CDs/vinyls should ship during the tracking week. |
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Post by Groovy on Jul 14, 2021 9:32:45 GMT -5
My two takes for this week, Permission to Dance will debut at 1 while Stay will also debut in the top 10 and will be big worldwide hit.
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Post by tanooki on Jul 14, 2021 9:42:54 GMT -5
aaron lewis would love to go back to a time where you could lynch minorities and same for everyone who bought this song lol Yes, surely that is what he is thinking. correct |
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Post by Abbaschand on Jul 14, 2021 10:03:11 GMT -5
Swedish House Mafia is supposedly releasing their comeback this Friday It's always interesting to me knowing that their first actual mainstream hit (Don't You Worry Child) was supposed to be their farewell song. |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jul 14, 2021 10:05:56 GMT -5
kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2021/07/14
1(=) Dua Lipa - Levitating (feat. DaBaby) 98.23(-0.11)
2(=) Doja Cat - Kiss Me More (feat. SZA) 84.64(-0.09) -
3(=) Lil Nas X - MONTERO (Call Me By Your Name) 81.91(-0.05)
4(=) Justin Bieber - Peaches (feat. Daniel Caesar & GIVΔON) 79.04(-0.94)
5(=) Bruno Mars, Anderson .Paak & Silk Sonic - Leave The Door Open 75.84(-1.94)
6(=) Olivia Rodrigo - good 4 u 74.96(+0.64) -
7(=) Olivia Rodrigo - deja vu 66.60(+0.63)
8(=) The Weeknd & Ariana Grande - Save Your Tears (Remix) 62.50(+0.18)
9(=) Ed Sheeran - Bad Habits 57.21(+1.23)
10(=) The Kid LAROI - WITHOUT YOU 51.82(-0.27)
14(+1) Jason Aldean - Blame It on You 47.31(+0.55)
30(+1) Dan + Shay - Glad You Exist 32.24(+1.05)
32(=) Justin Moore - We Didn't Have Much 31.69(+0.64)
54(=) DJ Khaled - EVERY CHANCE I GET (feat. Lil Baby & Lil Durk) 22.92(+0.53)
-(-) Dua Lipa - Love Again 11.43(+0.79) -(-) BIA & Nicki Minaj - WHOLE LOTTA MONEY (Remix) 10.81(+0.55)
-(-) The Kid LAROI & Justin Bieber - Stay 9.60(+2.11) -(-) Yung Bleu, Chris Brown & 2 Chainz - Baddest 8.34(+0.66)
-(-) Post Malone - Motley Crew 7.69(+1.22) -(-) Sech - 911 5.56(+0.54) +
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jul 14, 2021 10:10:22 GMT -5
Swedish House Mafia is supposedly releasing their comeback this Friday It's always interesting to me knowing that their first actual mainstream hit (Don't You Worry Child) was supposed to be their farewell song. *biggest hit and their only hit (and charting single) in the U.S. But it's not their first mainstream hit. According to my friend in Europe, this was their first big hit Miami 2 Ibiza, Save the World, and Greyhound were also big international hits. |
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Post by Raccoon on Jul 14, 2021 10:36:12 GMT -5
Apparently Normani is coming Friday (feat Cardi B), Pop Smoke album will also have Cardi and Dua(?), John Mayer is also Friday but likely won't have much impact
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jul 14, 2021 11:41:41 GMT -5
US Spotify - 07/13/21
1(=) The Kid LAROI - Stay 2,193,561 (+84,340)
2(=) Olivia Rodrigo - good 4 u 1,693,458 (+27,251)
3(+1) Doja Cat - Kiss Me More 1,177,037 (+16,484)
4(-1) Post Malone - Motley Crew 1,154,663 (-65,427)
5(=) MΓ₯neskin - Beggin' 1,020,390 (+35,789)
6(=) Olivia Rodrigo - deja vu 922,587 (+12,165)
7(=) Doja Cat - Ain't Shit 917,470 (+10,197)
8(+1) Polo G - RAPSTAR 915,056 (+29,131)
9(+1) Ed Sheeran - Bad Habits 913,638 (+40,138)
10(-2) Olivia Rodrigo - traitor 906,360 (+11,650)
Others:
11(=) Dua Lipa - Levitating 877,566 (+11,563)
12(=) Lil Nas X - MONTERO (Call Me By Your Name) 840,361 (+5,801)
13(+2) Drake - Wants and Needs 753,516 (+40,091)
14(=) Megan Thee Stallion - Thot Shit 727,432 (+11,852)
15(-2) Billie Eilish - NDA 726,606 (-48,055)
16(=) Glass Animals - Heat Waves 710,917 (+2,963)
17(=) Olivia Rodrigo - favorite crime 709,013 (+11,783)
18(+1) Doja Cat, The Weeknd - You Right 671,129 (+4,800)
19(+1) Bad Bunny - Yonaguni 656,561 (+10,408)
20(-2) BTS - Permission to Dance 650,017 (-37,432)
21(=) Justin Bieber - Peaches 645,484 (+11,337)
22(=) Olivia Rodrigo - happier 620,777 (+4,433)
24(-1) BTS - Butter 577,781 (-16,283)
25(=) Olivia Rodrigo - brutal 573,078 (+3,476)
26(+4) Doja Cat - Need to Know 565,330 (+36,364)
27(=) Olivia Rodrigo - jealousy, jealousy 547,042 (+2,406)
28(-2) Tyler The Creator, YoungBoy Never Broke Again, Ty Dolla $ign - WUSYANAME 544,165 (-12,904)
29(=) Masked Wolf - Astronaut In The Ocean 542,327 (+5,240)
30(-2) Bruno Mars, Anderson .Paak, Silk Sonic - Leave the Door Open 541,198 (+1,537)
31(+3) DaBaby - Red Light Green Light 532,067 (+29,154)
32(+1) The Weeknd - Save Your Tears Remix 530,393 (+13,347)
33(-1) Rauw Alejandro - Todo De Ti 529,365 (+11,096)
34(-3) WILLOW - t r a n s p a r e n t s o u l 526,572 (+4,051)
35(+1) Giveon - Heartbreak Anniversary 465,945 (+10,812)
36(-1) Trippie Redd - Miss the Rage 460,572 (-249)
37(=) DaBaby - Ball If I Want To 457,722 (+2,834)
38(+1) Cochise, $NOT - Tell Em 446,211 (+7,222)
40(+2) Surf Curse - Freaks 425,399 (+2,844)
41(=) DJ Khaled - EVERY CHANCE I GET 422,426 (-3,159)
42(+1) Walker Hayes - Fancy Like 419,462 (+8,079)
43(+1) Maroon 5 - Beautiful Mistakes 416,965 (+11,050)
44(-6) BIA - WHOLE LOTTA MONEY Remix 412,690 (-29,227)
45(=) Roddy Ricch - Late At Night 410,944 (+5,807)
46(+1) Olivia Rodrigo - enough for you 406,645 (+4,257)
47(+1) Kane Brown, blackbear - Memory 400,713 (+7,261)
48(+1) Saweetie - Best Friend 399,681 (+9,272)
49(+1) MΓ₯neskin - I WANNA BE YOUR SLAVE 396,701 (+9,132)
50(+2) Marshmello - Leave Before You Love Me 394,991 (+15,414)
52(-6) Bas - The Jackie 382,418 (-22,502)
53(+1) Kali Uchis - telepatΓa 374,118 (+7,370)
59(+8) J. Cole - m y . l i f e 353,115 (+18,371)
62(+3) The Kid LAROI - WITHOUT YOU 347,396 (+10,189)
64(=) Nio Garcia, J Balvin, Bad Bunny - AM Remix 344,241 (+6,515)
65(-3) Bella Poarch - Build a Bitch 343,622 (+1,427)
68(+4) Bo Burnham - Bezos I 336,130 (+7,152)
69(+8) Lil Baby, Lil Durk - Hats Off 335,566 (+22,010)
70(+1) Bo Burnham - Welcome to the Internet 334,284 (+3,731)
72(-6) Bo Burnham - All Eyes On Me 333,680 (-3,424)
75(=) Sleepy Hallow - 2055 331,410 (+13,773)
76(+2) J. Cole - p r i d e . i s . t h e . d e v i l 324,084 (+10,840)
77(+2) Interney Money - His & Hers 321,943 (+8,703)
80(-6) Nelly, Florida Georgia Line - Lil Bit 318,140 (-1,154)
81(=) Luke Combs - Forever After All 311,708 (+397)
83(+2) J Balvin, Maria Becerra - QuΓ© MΓ‘s Pues? 308,050 (+11,373)
85(-22) Polo G - GANG GANG 303,389 (-37,140)
90(-4) MoneyBagg Yo - Wockesha 289,643 (-3,857)
92(+2) Mora, Bad Bunny, Sech - Volando Remix 286,137 (+7,473)
93(-6) Tyler the Creator - JUGGERNAUT 286,133 (-6,447)
103(+6) Polo G - No Return 271,613 (+13,397)
106(+6) Madison Beer - Reckless 266,800 (+11,279)
107(-4) The Weeknd - Save Your Tears 266,434 (+2,524)
112(-8) Billie Eilish - Lost Cause 261,525 (-1,353)
114(+1) Ryan Hurd - Chasing After You 256,760 (+3,210)
115(-1) PinkPantheress - Pain 254,608 (+669)
118(-1) Tai Verdes - A-O-K 251,021 (+1,188)
119(+11) Migos - Straightenin 250,783 (+8,859)
120(+4) Migos - Having Our Way 250,472 (+5,494)
123(=) Chris Young, Kane Brown - Famous Friends 246,798 (+961)
124(-5) Sarah Cothran - As the World Caves In 246,556 (-2,776)
134(-3) Vince Staples - ARE YOU WITH THAT? 236,189 (-4,249)
135(+1) Blueface, Og Bobby Billions - Outside (Better Days) 236,009 (+1,978)
137(-21) Bad Bunny - De Museo 235,221 (-17,483)
142(+2) Young Stoner Life, Young Thug, Gunna - Ski 229,733 (+2,800)
146(=) Dan + Shay - Glad You Exist 228,021 (+1,584)
150(-2) Bo Burnham - Look Who's Inside Again 223,951 (+378)
155(+19) Galantis - Heartbreak Anthem 219,673 (+11,058)
161(-12) Trinidad Cardona - Dinero 217,868 (-3,253)
166(-9) $ilkMoney - My Potna Dem 215,931 (-1,654)
172(=) Elle King, Miranda Lambert - Drunk (And I Don't Wanna Go Home) 212,412 (+2,914)
175(-11) Brent Faiyaz - Wasting Time 211,731 (-3,300)
197(-21) Migos - Modern Day 199,463 (-8,434)
Total Streams for Save Your Tears: 796,827
Biggest Gains (50K+): Stay
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Post by Choco on Jul 14, 2021 11:46:55 GMT -5
Whoβs releasing this Friday? Shakira! Not that Iβm expecting a chart impact but Iβm personally excited. It's in English so it will probably at least impact the Hot 100! "Chantaje" had a respectable run and that was a Spanish song with no US push. |
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Post by jthentic on Jul 14, 2021 12:02:07 GMT -5
Whoβs releasing this Friday? so Mood and MEBF will likely be heading to recurrency. Blinding Lights should be safe for an 85th week because the Heartless/BL CDs/vinyls should ship during the tracking week. Bruh, this is da 100746464th time you're saying da same stuff. Is there a glitch or something with your system? π |
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Post by Gary on Jul 14, 2021 12:18:36 GMT -5
so Mood and MEBF will likely be heading to recurrency. Blinding Lights should be safe for an 85th week because the Heartless/BL CDs/vinyls should ship during the tracking week. Bruh, this is da 100746464th time you're saying da same stuff. Is there a glitch or something with your system? π Usually when that happens I usually try to reboot to get unstuck. . LOL |
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