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Post by felipe on May 22, 2022 22:07:59 GMT -5
I get that Kelly, Gwen or Adam were not huge hitmakers when they were hired to be on the show, but they were all huge hitmakers at one point. Not counting the features, how many hits does Camila have? 2? She's had three album eras and in each of them she struggled to get a hit or sell albums... It's not that hard to understand why people might be surprised to see her joining The Voice. Havana Never be the same My oh my Senorita (both are leads) Then the fifth Harmony hits Work from home Worth it Flex Sledgehammer (moderate hit) Plus the features. Her resume isn’t bad she just has a handful of misses with it She has mostly misses, isn't it? And are we even including the features and 5H stuff? That's like saying Normani is a big hitmaker because she had Love Lies, Dancing with a Stranger and all the 5H hits lol
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Post by Music Fan on May 23, 2022 0:05:15 GMT -5
We're also acting like being on The Voice means you're the #1 hitmaker of your time. Hell, the only one who was on The Voice and *did not need The Voice* was Ariana. Everyone else, Gwen, John Legend, Adam Levine, CeeLo, Blake, and even Kelly have benefitted greatly from being on the show. Camila is just the perfect fit. I get that Kelly, Gwen or Adam were not huge hitmakers when they were hired to be on the show, but they were all huge hitmakers at one point. Not counting the features, how many hits does Camila have? 2? She's had three album eras and in each of them she struggled to get a hit or sell albums... It's not that hard to understand why people might be surprised to see her joining The Voice. I'd actually put them all quite even with Camila, with the exception of Kelly who I agree. And I don't think Camila needs to be discounted for features. Adam joined The Voice Season 1 in 2011. Prior to 2011 Maroon 5 only had one #1 four years prior, 3 Top 10s and 11 total Hot 100 entries. Adam only had the one collaboration with Kanye hit the Hot 100 in 2005. In fact these were Maroon 5's peaks for those 11 H100 entries. I wouldn't call the huge hitmakers. - No. 1 - Makes Me Wonder (2007)
- No. 5 - This Love (2004)
- No. 5 - She Will Be Loved (2004)
- No. 14 - Misery (2010)
- No. 18 - Harder to Breathe
- No. 19 - Wake up Call (2007)
- No. 31 - Sunday Morning (2005)
[li]No. 48 - Won't Go Home Without You - No. 51 - If I Never See Your Face Again
- No. 84 - Stutter (2010)
- No. 86 - Give a Little More (2010)
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on May 23, 2022 18:53:43 GMT -5
I'd count Bam Bam as a hit too, it's huge here in Europe. In Canada also.
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Post by pnobelysk on May 23, 2022 23:06:25 GMT -5
Havana Never be the same My oh my Senorita (both are leads) Then the fifth Harmony hits Work from home Worth it Flex Sledgehammer (moderate hit) Plus the features. Her resume isn’t bad she just has a handful of misses with it She has mostly misses, isn't it? And are we even including the features and 5H stuff? That's like saying Normani is a big hitmaker because she had Love Lies, Dancing with a Stranger and all the 5H hits lol So we are only counting Gwen’s two albums? That’s a choice. I’m not a huge Camilla fan, but her resume is nothing to scoff at. I even left out bam bam & consequences, both top 15s on pop radio. I also have no issue giving Normani credit for her featured hits.
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Post by felipe on May 24, 2022 18:03:24 GMT -5
She has mostly misses, isn't it? And are we even including the features and 5H stuff? That's like saying Normani is a big hitmaker because she had Love Lies, Dancing with a Stranger and all the 5H hits lol So we are only counting Gwen’s two albums? That’s a choice. I’m not a huge Camilla fan, but her resume is nothing to scoff at. I even left out bam bam & consequences, both top 15s on pop radio. I also have no issue giving Normani credit for her featured hits. I would count No Doubt's albums as Gwen was the only vocalist there, just like I would count Adam's output with Maroon 5. Each was the "face" of their bands, even if they were credited as a band. But if you want to count Fifth Harmony's output it's a choice I guess. I see Camila's "hitmaking status" more in line with someone like Meghan Trainor or Charlie Puth, but I wouldn't expect either to land a job on The Voice. I guess my beef is Gwen felt genuinely big for a while. Camila's 3 or 4 solo hits (out of the 20 misses in between) feel to me like a result of how hard the label keeps trying to make her happen, and not a reflection of actual interest in her music. No matter how hard she flops, her label is able to get her a song with the biggest act in the world right now. And not even that can make a sure-fire hit for her. It's just puzzling to me. I guess we can all agree though that, by the time Gwen or Adam were underperforming to Camilla's level they were not getting the amount of promo she does.
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Post by gbaby on May 26, 2022 13:10:50 GMT -5
The amount of energy folks spend downplaying Camila's success is wild to me. Sure, she's no Beyonce, but she's got enough going to merit a spot on The Voice. I personally have no interest in The Voice, but like...good for her. In fact, her being on The Voice doesn't cost a single one of us a damn thing.
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Post by Active Aggressive on May 26, 2022 13:42:57 GMT -5
Even though The Voice has yet to provide an actual star/hitmaker (and before y'all start citing, like, Melanie Martinez, RaeLynn, or Danielle Bradbery, I am talking on the level of Kelly, Carrie, Daughtry, Fantasia, even JHud) and seems to be fading into irrelevance, it's still a good gig. Best case scenario, she and her team take full advantage of her exposure and manages a Moves Like Jagger-level hit.
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Post by pnobelysk on May 26, 2022 14:51:22 GMT -5
Even though The Voice has yet to provide an actual star/hitmaker (and before y'all start citing, like, Melanie Martinez, RaeLynn, or Danielle Bradbery, I am talking on the level of Kelly, Carrie, Daughtry, Fantasia, even JHud) and seems to be fading into irrelevance, it's still a good gig. Best case scenario, she and her team take full advantage of her exposure and manages a Moves Like Jagger-level hit. While I’m not surprised the voice hasn’t gotten big stars it is shocking that the 3 seasoned X factor US produced more hits than the voice
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Post by kimberly on May 26, 2022 14:59:03 GMT -5
Even though The Voice has yet to provide an actual star/hitmaker (and before y'all start citing, like, Melanie Martinez, RaeLynn, or Danielle Bradbery, I am talking on the level of Kelly, Carrie, Daughtry, Fantasia, even JHud) and seems to be fading into irrelevance, it's still a good gig. Best case scenario, she and her team take full advantage of her exposure and manages a Moves Like Jagger-level hit. I'm not saying it's not a good gig, but The Voice does not really produce hits anymore, not even on the level of Ella Henderson's "Ghost." a lot of those The Voice moments were powered by iTunes sales, and since those have become obsolete, and viewership of the show is also down (about 50% since 2012), I don't think it'll be that helpful in terms of securing Cabello hits. I do think if she comes off nice and likable on the show, it'll be a huge win for her, though. and that could translate into better chart success whenever her next era launches.
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Post by felipe on May 26, 2022 21:39:15 GMT -5
Even though The Voice has yet to provide an actual star/hitmaker (and before y'all start citing, like, Melanie Martinez, RaeLynn, or Danielle Bradbery, I am talking on the level of Kelly, Carrie, Daughtry, Fantasia, even JHud) and seems to be fading into irrelevance, it's still a good gig. Best case scenario, she and her team take full advantage of her exposure and manages a Moves Like Jagger-level hit. While I’m not surprised the voice hasn’t gotten big stars it is shocking that the 3 seasoned X factor US produced more hits than the voice I think The X Factor US deserved better. I found the acts there to be way more interesting than those on The Voice.
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Post by felipe on May 26, 2022 21:45:12 GMT -5
The amount of energy folks spend downplaying Camila's success is wild to me. Sure, she's no Beyonce, but she's got enough going to merit a spot on The Voice. I personally have no interest in The Voice, but like...good for her. In fact, her being on The Voice doesn't cost a single one of us a damn thing. Of course it doesn't cost us anything, I don't think anybody here would dispute that. However, since we are on a discussion board it's interesting to discuss and try to understand better why some acts, like Camila, seem to get way more investiment from their labels, no matter how hard they flop, and others are quickly dropped after one flop era never to be heard from again. Can you think of somebody on the same level of Camila's "sucess" that gets the same amount of promo she does or even four music videos from an album that has yet to prove itself sales-wise?
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Post by SHOOTER on May 27, 2022 3:02:16 GMT -5
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Post by survivorqt on May 28, 2022 0:58:34 GMT -5
What’s the deal with her contract with Epic? Isn’t it for 3 albums? She for sure has a little control like Taylor with Republic. Meghan trainor’s Treat Myself even outsold familia in its debut week, wonder what Epic will do
And buzz with The Voice is long gone considering most people stream nowadays
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Post by franzjoseph on May 28, 2022 1:07:54 GMT -5
Even though The Voice has yet to provide an actual star/hitmaker (and before y'all start citing, like, Melanie Martinez, RaeLynn, or Danielle Bradbery, I am talking on the level of Kelly, Carrie, Daughtry, Fantasia, even JHud) and seems to be fading into irrelevance, it's still a good gig. Best case scenario, she and her team take full advantage of her exposure and manages a Moves Like Jagger-level hit. Cassadee Pope started off strong and she was pretty relevant in the country world from like 2013-2016 and had 2 platinum singles but dropped off - she was their best chance of an idol level star (at least Jhud or Fantasiaa level)
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Post by JJ on May 30, 2022 13:29:48 GMT -5
The thing with Camila is that she/her management managed to get her name really well known. Her big hits were REALLY big hits. Havana and Senorita are not just regular hits. She's got a global fanbase. I don't think her flops stained her career at all, she's always had something on the radio. When My Oh My became a hit, she came from a string of flops but Senorita was just so huge that I don't think the public noticed she had a bunch of flops - or cared. Bam Bam is a decent hit and I think it cements her position as one of the top pop girls around.
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Post by survivorqt on May 30, 2022 20:22:25 GMT -5
Lol at the boos and her tweets 😂
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Post by Music Fan on May 30, 2022 20:32:02 GMT -5
Lol at the boos and her tweets 😂 They weren't boos, though?
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Post by Dammn Baby on May 30, 2022 20:34:56 GMT -5
The thing with Camila is that she/her management managed to get her name really well known. Her big hits were REALLY big hits. Havana and Senorita are not just regular hits. She's got a global fanbase. I don't think her flops stained her career at all, she's always had something on the radio. When My Oh My became a hit, she came from a string of flops but Senorita was just so huge that I don't think the public noticed she had a bunch of flops - or cared. Bam Bam is a decent hit and I think it cements her position as one of the top pop girls aroundThat would seem to be a low standard. She gets a ton of promo, but has barely any solo hits (all her major hits feature a major, usually bankable artist) and serves 10-52-OUT (paraphrased) on the album charts. I enjoy her but top tier main pop girl she is not.
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Post by survivorqt on May 30, 2022 20:41:00 GMT -5
She just seems so out of place doing these high profile shows lol. The fans were booing/singing over her
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Post by Chelsea Press 2 on May 30, 2022 20:43:20 GMT -5
She just seems so out of place doing these high profile shows lol. The fans were booing/singing over her From what I read at another board, this seems to be the norm no matter who the performer is. She actually was really lucky that they didn't throw bottles, rocks, feces, trash, etc. at her.
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Post by die Lotterie on May 30, 2022 21:13:38 GMT -5
Camila isn't necessarily my jam, but I really feel for her here. She did her job putting in the work and she didn't deserve this. Gonna stream the MK remix of "Find U Again" now.
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Post by survivorqt on May 30, 2022 21:18:53 GMT -5
Camila isn't necessarily my jam, but I really feel for her here. She did her job putting in the work and she didn't deserve this. Gonna stream the MK remix of "Find U Again" now. she should've known that people don't care for her at all, especially European football fans
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on May 30, 2022 21:23:41 GMT -5
She just seems so out of place doing these high profile shows lol. The fans were booing/singing over her From what I read at another board, this seems to be the norm no matter who the performer is. She actually was really lucky that they didn't throw bottles, rocks, feces, trash, etc. at her. Yeah, pretty much. They are trying to make a European version of the Super Bowl, but I don't see that happening. People just don't care, maybe they'll in 30 years, who knows...
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Post by Chelsea Press 2 on May 30, 2022 21:41:08 GMT -5
It is unfortunate that she was put into such a situation and was not given fair warning about what sorts of things she may face when she does this performance. But if they did know and withheld that detail from her on purpose, then they basically set her up.
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Post by Music Fan on May 31, 2022 0:08:10 GMT -5
At this point, I'm going to have to actually listen to this girl's albums in full -- because I feel like I have been defending her without being a stan. So, might as well at least try to enjoy all her music lmao.
Anyway... Camila was NOT booed, and the chanting / singing was not directed at her. The actual game kick-off (and pre-show her performance) was delayed more than 30 minutes because certain fans had been prevented from entering the stadium for hours. Particularly, it seemed like fans from Liverpool (one of the two teams) were the ones denied entry. There were reports of people who were pepper-sprayed and tear gassed by police. Presumably there were tens of thousands of Liverpool fans who had fake tickets.
By the time Camila went out to perform, Liverpool fans were finally settling into their seats so they started chanting team songs. This caused Real Madrid (the other team) to chant songs back. This started before Camila went out -- but continued throughout her show.
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Post by kimberly on May 31, 2022 3:43:30 GMT -5
From what I read at another board, this seems to be the norm no matter who the performer is. She actually was really lucky that they didn't throw bottles, rocks, feces, trash, etc. at her. Yeah, pretty much. They are trying to make a European version of the Super Bowl, but I don't see that happening. People just don't care, maybe they'll in 30 years, who knows... I think they need to stick with European artists (or at least artists who are big in Europe). When Dua Lipa did it and performed "One Kiss," clips of Liverpool fans singing along went viral and formed a still ongoing connection between Dua Lipa and Liverpool. "One Kiss" was in the middle of its run at No. 1 in the UK at the time, so stars aligned perfectly. I don't think Camila Cabello was a good choice for this event to begin with. Did they think Real Madrid fans would be floored by "I love it when you call me señorita" or something? Keeping in mind who the average hardcore football fans are, I don't think they were going to sing along or vibe with the song even if they knew of it. I think halftime show works in the US because they pick artists with well-liked and respected catalogs, give them 13 minutes, and invest so much money into it. The European version always looks cheap and last-minute, whether it's Dua or Camila, and putting it at the start of the game is just utterly stupid. NFL halftime serves as an intermission for people to get drinks, go to the bathroom, etc without missing the game, since it's also padded with long commercial breaks before and after the performance. Camila's performance was just delaying the start of the game further for no reason, which I'm sure people didn't appreciate. This whole thing is a mess. She should have never acknowledged it or tweeted about it, to be honest, because that just brought it to more people's attention. I do feel for her a bit though, just a smidge.
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Post by felipe on May 31, 2022 17:35:07 GMT -5
Some some clips from her performance online and it definitely doesn't seem like something those soccer fans would appreciate. And Camila just keeps getting shoved everywhere trying to give people something they don't want.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2022 10:25:33 GMT -5
She slayed. Her performances are always stellar and visually beautiful! Forget the haters and keep your eye on the prize!
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