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Post by kindofbiased on Aug 8, 2021 16:02:52 GMT -5
i like when the violins come in i think thats pretty cool
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Post by suzcruz7 on Aug 8, 2021 16:18:29 GMT -5
If I'm offending someone, sorry, I won't stop listening to male pop, r&B, rap, etc.. Side note: this is also why more and more people are thinking "liberals" are clowns and weird people, that's sad because most of us just enjoy life and have fun like most common/normal people. I feel like getting mad about sexual lyrics is much more-so a conservative thing. I mean criticizing rap music for "objectifying" women is a Fox News staple at this point.
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Post by makoto on Aug 8, 2021 16:52:53 GMT -5
Some people here are crazy, life can't even be enjoyable anymore. That is why the world sux right now. Everyone trying to find reasons to cancel others over the smallest things. #facepalm
PS: Song is nice.
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Post by Au$tin on Aug 8, 2021 16:53:04 GMT -5
"Bruno Mars objectifies women because he always sings about their looks."
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Post by Henry Suárez on Aug 8, 2021 17:17:49 GMT -5
If I'm offending someone, sorry, I won't stop listening to male pop, r&B, rap, etc.. Side note: this is also why more and more people are thinking "liberals" are clowns and weird people, that's sad because most of us just enjoy life and have fun like most common/normal people. I feel like getting mad about sexual lyrics is much more-so a conservative thing. I mean criticizing rap music for "objectifying" women is a Fox News staple at this point. Well, in the current crazy times we're living, the other side is reaching Fox News level of extremism, absurdity and even censorship. Side political note: that's why it's cool Biden centrist candidates are beating fake "progressives" all around the country, even in NYC, people are fed up!
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Post by Khia on Aug 8, 2021 17:31:46 GMT -5
Just the Way You Are objectifies women. I've really heard it all now... Please point me to the lyrics in the song that portray her as an actual human, not an object. I mean, I don't even know how to respond to this. It's not like the lyrics are about how she's a hot piece of ass. He's saying she's perfect and doesn't need to change anything. It's not really relevant that it focuses on physical attributes. I'm not sure what this proves aside from the fact that you're not the first person to have this thought. That doesn't mean this is a widespread discussion.
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Post by SHOOTER on Aug 8, 2021 17:43:11 GMT -5
That’s the problem with being woke for so long; you don’t realize when you need to go back to fucking sleep.
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Aug 8, 2021 17:47:54 GMT -5
This might be the dumbest music-related take since some folks on popheads claimed "positions" was anti-feminist because... how dare Ariana want to compromise and go outside her comfort zone for a man she loves and trusts? Seriously, that was an actual discussion, and this one is just as pathetic.
Music is not like a book or a movie. There is no requirement for fully-fledged people in a 3 min + radio-ready tune. Some artists like Taylor Swift are fond of details, but others opt for surface-level and broad descriptions exclusive to physical appearance, and that's perfectly fine. You keep blindly accusing Bruno as if he was the only one - just makes you look desperate, really.
Also, let's not forget projection from the listener is a big appeal of male R&B and pop (think boybands), and it's much more practical to not mention specific personality details or give them 'agency'. It's that simple. Serenade/flirtacious songs are usually like that, whereas break-up songs tend to delve deeper into the parties as people.
And please, having a subject being an object of desire is so different from objectification. As others mentioned, Bruno treats these women as romantic interests, aiming to pursue a relationship with them and promising to treat them right. This is a far cry from the songs that treat women as ass-shaking props for the singers' personal pleasure, properly dehumanizing them.
Get off your echo chamber and go outside. You really need it.
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Post by Glove Slap on Aug 8, 2021 17:49:51 GMT -5
'Blog by a woman' is a more sexist phrase than any Bruno Mars lyric.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 17:52:22 GMT -5
"Marry You" ? @antigonerising sis please give your view on this if you want. Anyone looking for or still bothered by the lack of lyrical depth 11 years into Bruno's career is only playing themselves. Not that someone who doesn't identify as a woman can't have an opinion or call something out if you think there is something that warrants being called out...but as someone who identifies as a woman and a feminist, a singer 'objectifying' fictional women by crooning about how we're a treasure or that we're amazing just the way we are is really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really REALLY low on my personal list of misogynistic bulls**t in pop culture to be ready to fight about. Bruno possibly being misogynist has come up in the past; I can think of two specific examples in his discography that were singled out. But skipping past actual potentially problematic things (which don't occur often in his music) to focus on JTWYA or LOOH is just exposing yourself as either trolling - poorly - or just not being nearly as educated on this subject as you think you are. Either way, it's never too late to forgot to add, do not send me @, idgaf
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Aug 8, 2021 18:05:54 GMT -5
Devil Marlena Nylund Hello! At long last, here is a perspective from a woman (we're hard to find on the community 😄) I always loved Bruno Mars' music, and find his love song lyrics to be for the most part sweet and romantic. He did take a more playboy-esque route on the "24K Magic" album, but that was just a persona, really - no reason to feel offended or outraged by it. "Leave The Door Open" and "Skate" are so likeable and charming in their old-school serenading, and I don't think any reasonable individual would feel objectified by them. It's true that there aren't many details on the personality of his romantic interests, but as I previously mentioned, it doesn't matter for the type of music he makes. jenglisbe really thinks "Gorilla" - a song about hardcore sex on drugs - needs to describe the woman as an actual person with agency, personality, and point of view to not be misogynistic... Way to kill the mood, honey. Edit: @antigonerising put it perfectly on why it's laughable to make a big deal out of this when looking at the bigger picture of real sexism in popular music (and within the industry itself).
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Post by 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 on Aug 8, 2021 18:11:34 GMT -5
I change the thongs two times a day its Niagara Falls in this pussy all day Pussy so good I'm on a trip to the bay Soon as he put it in, that boy calling me bae I'm like, Papi, wanna see a trick that's worth it? Juggle them balls in my mouth, deepthroat circus Drop something, pick it up slow on purpose Watch me bend over, come daddy and hurt this Freak lil bitch, I'm sorry I can't help it He don't want me fuckin nobody else, he selfish Should've seen the face on that boy when he felt this Cumming all down his dick, warm and melted
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Post by jenglisbe on Aug 8, 2021 18:31:37 GMT -5
'Blog by a woman' is a more sexist phrase than any Bruno Mars lyric. That was because someone in this thread asked for the opinions of women, but go ahead. Lost In Musical Reverie As I've said multiple times, it's not about any one song, it's about the collective. If "Gorilla" were a one off, fine, but as of yet no one has provided me an example of even one song where Bruno Mars writes about a woman in a fully realized way. I also haven't asked to have him banned or canceled or whatever other things people are running with here. You all are taking things to an extreme in the same way you accuse me of doing.
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Post by back2blk on Aug 8, 2021 18:51:23 GMT -5
My eyes are rolling so far to the back of my brain right now reading these reaches and stretches about Bruno Mars and objectification.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 8, 2021 19:00:32 GMT -5
I’m waiting for them to target Rihanna next because her makeup like only focuses on looks rather than personality or intelligence.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 8, 2021 19:03:08 GMT -5
Also, who’s keeping notes for the PMAs this year because if this isn’t included somewhere, I’m rioting
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Post by 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 on Aug 8, 2021 19:09:17 GMT -5
I’m waiting for them to target Rihanna next because her makeup line only focuses on looks rather than personality or intelligence. imagine criticizing her makeup line for that instead of child labor 😭😭😭
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Post by Edith Puthie on Aug 8, 2021 19:10:23 GMT -5
I'm just glad the collective conscience here is with my collective eyeroll, and not the reaching of the reachiest.
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Post by Edith Puthie on Aug 8, 2021 19:15:49 GMT -5
Henry Suárez and Edith Puthie So, do you not know the definition of objectifying women, or do you not think Bruno Mars constantly singing about women as objects is an example of it? More so, how many songs does Mars have where he writes about women as actual humans with thoughts, feelings, a point of view? How about we ask some women their thoughts?This is key. And given that Bruno Mars is Bruno Mars because millions of grown-ass independent women love him telling them how good they look, I'm pretty sure women are ok with being complimented on their eyes, tits, and ass, brains., and viewed as sexy, by a grown-ass man who likes women. It's really that simple. You can be gay and all upset about it on behalf of women worldwide, but that porn video you love is probably a better use of your time. Also, When I Was Your Man is a pretty good example of Bruno putting a woman on a pedestal for being strong, while he was admitedly being a weak ass bitch. But are we still going off about OBJECTIFICATION!?!?!
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Post by elementd5 on Aug 8, 2021 19:21:41 GMT -5
Yeah, I don’t think it’s objectification, because I don’t think he means harm or is trying to degrade womxn. Maybe I’ve just been watching too many romantic comedies during quarantine that I just find it interesting (don’t necessarily want to say ‘funny’) that so many of his songs embody the scene where near the end the womxn asks “Why do you like me?” And the guy responds “You’re beautiful, I love everything about you, we’re just perfect together.” And the womxn says “anything else?” And the guy is stumped.
The first song? I get it. After the fifth, sixth, seventh single? I don’t think it’s bad per se, I personally think I always had in my mind that Bruno’s lyrics brought a bit more, but I guess maybe they don’t. They’re still great for what they are and for sure better than most what else is out there.
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Post by Clode on Aug 8, 2021 19:31:02 GMT -5
The view that jenglisbe has shared regarding Bruno Mars is not a reach in fact it is quite the opposite of that, I've been a fan of Bruno Mars for as long as I can remember but there is no denying that many of the lyrics in his songs are about seeing Women as nothing more than an object. Like another Member on this thread has already said I never actually realized that these lyrics were about objectifying Women until now. This view really got me thinking about all of the other Male music artists that also objectify Women in their lyrics and they should also receive this kind of Backlash. We are living in the Me Too era and so these kinds of criticisms are bound to be brought up, I applaud jenglisbe for sharing his opinion on such a serious issue.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 19:34:49 GMT -5
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Post by Glove Slap on Aug 8, 2021 19:40:11 GMT -5
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Post by Edith Puthie on Aug 8, 2021 19:52:27 GMT -5
The view that jenglisbe has shared regarding Bruno Mars is not a reach in fact it is quite the opposite of that, I've been a fan of Bruno Mars for as long as I can remember but there is no denying that many of the lyrics in his songs are about seeing Women as nothing more than an object. Like another Member on this thread has already said I never actually realized that these lyrics were about objectifying Women until now. This view really got me thinking about all of the other Male music artists that also objectify Women in their lyrics and they should also receive this kind of Backlash. We are living in the Me Too era and so these kinds of criticisms are bound to be brought up, I applaud jenglisbe for sharing his opinion on such a serious issue. Listen, does Bruno Mars technically objectify women in many of his songs? Yes. But at some point you have to ask yourself, is his swooning HARMING women, when its the women themselves who love and consume it en masse? No. He's not courting minors, he's not going all 2 Live Crew on anyone.... he's just expressing his love for females. For a straight man, this is normal. Always has been. It's not problematic unless you want it to be. I guess I'm just not sure what you want him to say in his lyrics. Anyone who agrees he needs to change, please give some examples of lyrics that you think would fly with actual women. Sing about how smart they are? What honestly would pass as acceptable?
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Post by taylor on Aug 8, 2021 20:03:10 GMT -5
The PMA for "Highest Reach" goes to this thread. This is the funniest s**t I think I've seen on here all year--and there was just a thread last month that led to the reveals of FIVE dupes.
I'm sure one of y'all is fun at parties.
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Post by makoto on Aug 8, 2021 20:16:11 GMT -5
We are living in the Me Too era and so these kinds of criticisms are bound to be brought up, I applaud jenglisbe for sharing his opinion on such a serious issue. This is guys why this woke annoying culture is melting some brains. I can't with the stupidity of this thread.
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Post by elementd5 on Aug 8, 2021 20:21:49 GMT -5
The view that jenglisbe has shared regarding Bruno Mars is not a reach in fact it is quite the opposite of that, I've been a fan of Bruno Mars for as long as I can remember but there is no denying that many of the lyrics in his songs are about seeing Women as nothing more than an object. Like another Member on this thread has already said I never actually realized that these lyrics were about objectifying Women until now. This view really got me thinking about all of the other Male music artists that also objectify Women in their lyrics and they should also receive this kind of Backlash. We are living in the Me Too era and so these kinds of criticisms are bound to be brought up, I applaud jenglisbe for sharing his opinion on such a serious issue. Listen, does Bruno Mars technically objectify women in many of his songs? Yes. But at some point you have to ask yourself, is his swooning HARMING women, when its the women themselves who love and consume it en masse? No. He's not courting minors, he's not going all 2 Live Crew on anyone.... he's just expressing his love for females. For a straight man, this is normal. Always has been. It's not problematic unless you want it to be. I guess I'm just not sure what you want him to say in his lyrics. Anyone who agrees he needs to change, please give some examples of lyrics that you think would fly with actual women. Sing about how smart they are? What honestly would pass as acceptable? For me, I don’t think I’ve ever noticed how specifically and consistently Bruno talks about how women look, though (without also incorporating other factors). I can think of so many love songs by men and womxn that do not almost solely/primarily talk about ones physical attributes, like he does. Love songs by womxn rarely ever focus on looks, for that matter. And it arguably does have an impact on womxn who may subsequently feel that the physical is the first/main relevant factor to attract a man. There’s definitely value in compliments that make a person feel good (which is why his music resonates) but I also think it could be open for conversation if that’s all he (or any artist) ever talks about in his “love / relationship” based singles.
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Post by Edith Puthie on Aug 8, 2021 20:30:53 GMT -5
For me, I don’t think I’ve ever noticed how specifically and consistently Bruno talks about how women look, though (without also incorporating other factors). I can think of so many love songs by men and womxn that do not almost solely/primarily talk about ones physical attributes, like he does. Love songs by womxn rarely ever focus on looks, for that matter. And it arguably does have an impact on womxn who may subsequently feel that the physical is the first/main relevant factor to attract a man. There’s definitely value in compliments that make a person feel good (which is why his music resonates) but I also think it could be open for conversation if that’s all he (or any artist) ever talks about in his “love / relationship” based singles. It's not all he talks about. Someone is gaslighting y'all. Google the lyrics to When I Was Your Man, for example, and get back to me on this retort.
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Post by elementd5 on Aug 8, 2021 20:42:38 GMT -5
For me, I don’t think I’ve ever noticed how specifically and consistently Bruno talks about how women look, though (without also incorporating other factors). I can think of so many love songs by men and womxn that do not almost solely/primarily talk about ones physical attributes, like he does. Love songs by womxn rarely ever focus on looks, for that matter. And it arguably does have an impact on womxn who may subsequently feel that the physical is the first/main relevant factor to attract a man. There’s definitely value in compliments that make a person feel good (which is why his music resonates) but I also think it could be open for conversation if that’s all he (or any artist) ever talks about in his “love / relationship” based singles. It's not all he talks about. Someone is gaslighting y'all. Google the lyrics to When I Was Your Man, for example, and get back to me on this retort. WIWYM is a post breakup song, where he’s apologizing for his mistakes, for sure. Im referring to his love songs where he’s seeking out a love interest. Basically every single where he’s the initiator, he’s essentially saying “we should be together because you’re fine and sexy.” I still don’t know if I would say that’s a “bad” thing, but it is true LOL. Looking through, I don’t think he’s even said “I love YOU” in one of his singles before lmao.
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Post by jenglisbe on Aug 8, 2021 21:30:32 GMT -5
For me, I don’t think I’ve ever noticed how specifically and consistently Bruno talks about how women look, though (without also incorporating other factors). I can think of so many love songs by men and womxn that do not almost solely/primarily talk about ones physical attributes, like he does. Love songs by womxn rarely ever focus on looks, for that matter. And it arguably does have an impact on womxn who may subsequently feel that the physical is the first/main relevant factor to attract a man. There’s definitely value in compliments that make a person feel good (which is why his music resonates) but I also think it could be open for conversation if that’s all he (or any artist) ever talks about in his “love / relationship” based singles. It's not all he talks about. Someone is gaslighting y'all. Google the lyrics to When I Was Your Man, for example, and get back to me on this retort. For the record I didn't claim it's all he writes about, but it is a pattern. And even on "WIWYM" the focus is on Mars and not the woman. Apart from one passing reference to the woman as strong, there isn't anything in the song that paints the woman as a fully realized person. The view that jenglisbe has shared regarding Bruno Mars is not a reach in fact it is quite the opposite of that, I've been a fan of Bruno Mars for as long as I can remember but there is no denying that many of the lyrics in his songs are about seeing Women as nothing more than an object. Like another Member on this thread has already said I never actually realized that these lyrics were about objectifying Women until now. This view really got me thinking about all of the other Male music artists that also objectify Women in their lyrics and they should also receive this kind of Backlash. We are living in the Me Too era and so these kinds of criticisms are bound to be brought up, I applaud jenglisbe for sharing his opinion on such a serious issue. Listen, does Bruno Mars technically objectify women in many of his songs? Yes. But at some point you have to ask yourself, is his swooning HARMING women, when its the women themselves who love and consume it en masse? No. He's not courting minors, he's not going all 2 Live Crew on anyone.... he's just expressing his love for females. For a straight man, this is normal. Always has been. It's not problematic unless you want it to be. For my money this is a well-intentioned, reasoned response that gives me some insight into why Mars doesn't get the criticism "bro country" does. Thank you. This is the type of discussion I was wanting to have. As I've said before, I was looking for at least a song or two about a liking a woman where his focus was on the woman as being more than her physical attributes. Look at Vince Gill's "If You Ever Have Forever In Mind" where the woman is described as climbing mountains and living for the moment (i.e. has a personality) while he will wait until her heart is ready (i.e. she also has agency). Randy Travis' "Forever and Ever, Amen" makes a specific point to say his commitment isn't about her body or hair. Something like Stevie Wonder's "I Was Made to Love Her" doesn't necessarily describe the woman in fully realized terms, but the focus also isn't on her physical form. Marvin Gaye/James Taylor's "How Sweet It Is" also doesn't mention physical attributes at all and says the woman provided shelter, touched his emotions (so it's more than sexual). Usher's "Here I Stand" isn't about a woman's physical form. Guns N Roses "Sweet Child O' Mine" describes physical attributes, but gives them a deeper context (though it should still be noted it's about what she does for him, not what he does for her). Bob Dylan/Garth Brooks "To Make You Feel My Love" is song about what the man will do for the woman as opposed to what she does for him (and again, clearly gives her agency in the choice). The classic "Unforgettable" is simple lyrically, but doesn't reduce the woman to her physical attributes. Jodeci's "Forever Your Lady" is about a commitment to a woman and family, with no reduction of her to an object. Ed Sheeran's "Perfect" does mention looks, but he also describes the woman as being stronger than anyone he knows and mentions the two have similar dreams, so the relationship in the song is at least based on more than sexual desire. I'd also say it's an issue that it's tough to find songs by men that portray women as fully realized people.
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