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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Sept 14, 2021 13:53:50 GMT -5
There are some exceptions in which you just mentioned. Furthermore, most of the examples mentioned were not due to album bombs, so I personally would be ok with them charting. It is just these huge and numerous debuts on the SINGLES chart that are clearly almost entirely due to the debut-week consumption of an album that I have a problem with. To advocate for that to be moderated somehow is definitely legitimate, as the Hot 100 is already not an entirely "accurate" straight-line ranking of the most consumed songs anyway, as demonstrated by the recurrent rules, which are ironically in place to keep the biggest songs and artists from dominating for too long, so what would be wrong with instituting such rules for album bombs as well? I can think of no better reason, when you have ONE artist occupying nearly the top quarter of the chart! And of course it doesn't have to be all or nothing, some of the songs and their points from album bombs can be counted in some way, the details of which could be ironed out and executed in a way that is fair and balanced to all songs and artists with popular songs currently in rotation. Okay but how do we go about not allowing songs that people are actually listening to from charting on the basis that…they’re not singles? There are too many of them? What? Agree or not, recurrent rules do serve a purpose (personally, I think recurrent rules no longer work to benefit the chart but that’s a different issue). The fact of the matter is, (and it can’t really be disputed), Drake songs were listened to the most this past week. There’s no way around that barring some BTS chart manipulation situation. That’s literally all there is to it. Maybe if general radio and sales were at 90s level or 2000s level numbers, there wouldn’t be a Drake domination (or whatever album bomb of the week is going on), but the biggest hits of the time are no longer that big. |
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Post by wavey. on Sept 14, 2021 14:43:58 GMT -5
It really is. He has a song on his 2013 album, Nothing Was the Same, where he raps about a girl he was dating before he became famous, who told him he would never be as big as Trey Songz, lmao.
The exact lyrics were:
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Then we got to talking 'bout something we disagreed on Then she start telling me how I'll never be as big as Trey Songz Boy was she wrong, that was just negative energy for me to feed off”
I still listen to some of his older songs from way before Best I Ever Had happened and he was rapping about all the success and dominance he's having now. Hardwork had a lot to do with it but he really manifested all of this. He's big on that. Nothing but respect. |
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Post by kierz7 on Sept 14, 2021 14:56:36 GMT -5
"Butter" would have only dropped to #4 without Drake, interesting. A smash-hit, I fear! If I were an artist with a fanbase that wasn’t as dedicated as BTS’, I’d be mad too. They’re Global icons at this point and if it weren’t for COVID they would’ve ANNIHILATED all international touring records imaginable, across 6 continents. (They’ll still do it when they tour again starting next year). You definitely can’t stream tour tickets! |
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Post by wavey. on Sept 14, 2021 15:12:51 GMT -5
"Butter" would have only dropped to #4 without Drake, interesting. A smash-hit, I fear! If I were an artist with a fanbase that wasn’t as dedicated as BTS’, I’d be mad too. They’re Global icons at this point and if it weren’t for COVID they would’ve ANNIHILATED all international touring records imaginable, across 6 continents. (They’ll still do it when they tour again starting next year). You definitely can’t stream tour tickets! Is it safe to say they put a staple on KPop in the US?👀 |
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Post by trillsimba on Sept 14, 2021 15:29:32 GMT -5
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Post by mms82 on Sept 14, 2021 15:39:09 GMT -5
MOST CONSECUTIVE WEEKS WITH 3 OR MORE SONGS IN THE HOT 100 TOP 10 SIMULTANEOUSLY:4. Justin Bieber - 10 weeks (2015/2016) ^We're never going to get another artist with three or more songs in the top 10 in consecutive weeks in multiple years with the Christmas song apocalypse now lol |
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Sept 14, 2021 15:41:57 GMT -5
MOST CONSECUTIVE WEEKS WITH 3 OR MORE SONGS IN THE HOT 100 TOP 10 SIMULTANEOUSLY:4. Justin Bieber - 10 weeks (2015/2016) ^We're never going to get another artist with three or more songs in the top 10 in consecutive weeks in multiple years with the Christmas song apocalypse now lol Justin’s dominance during the winter of 2015/2016 was underrated. If I remember correctly, there were 2 or 3 weeks where all 3 of those songs (WDYM, Sorry, and Love Yourself) were in the Top 5 simultaneously. |
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Post by Skibidi Bop Bop on Sept 14, 2021 16:09:22 GMT -5
Billboard should implement a certain rule to be able for a song to chart in top 75 or top 50. The song should have all the metrics with a certain requirements. Atleast 5k to 7k sales or 1M AI or 5M streams minimum . To avoid this annoying album bomb thing. Regardless if this unreleased tracks will get all those top 75 req, atleast we can consider it a moderate hit.
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Post by jenglisbe on Sept 14, 2021 16:17:27 GMT -5
Billboard should implement a certain rule to be able for a song to chart in top 75 or top 50. The song should have all the metrics with a certain requirements. Atleast 5k to 7k sales or 1M AI or 5M streams minimum . To avoid this annoying album bomb thing. Regardless if this unreleased tracks will get all those top 75 req, atleast we can consider it a moderate hit. Not that it matters, but I'd be in favor of a rule like that. I think the top 10 should be excluded, though. If a song streams enough to be top 10, let it be top 10 regardless. |
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Post by musicspy on Sept 14, 2021 16:28:13 GMT -5
MOST CONSECUTIVE WEEKS WITH 3 OR MORE SONGS IN THE HOT 100 TOP 10 SIMULTANEOUSLY:1. 50 Cent - 11 weeks (2005) 2. Drake - 10 weeks (2018) 3. The Beatles - 10 weeks (1964) 4. Justin Bieber - 10 weeks (2015/2016) 5. T-Pain - 9 weeks (2007) 6. Usher - 6 weeks (2004) 7. Bee Gees - 5 weeks (1978) 8. Cardi B - 4 weeks (2018) 9. Drake - 3 weeks (2018) 10. 50 Cent - 2 weeks (2003) 11. Ashanti - 2 weeks (2006)
MOST CUMULATIVE WEEKS WITH 3 OR MORE SONGS IN THE HOT 100 TOP 10 SIMULTANEOUSLY
1. Drake - 15 weeks 2. 50 Cent - 13 weeks 3. Justin Bieber - 10 weeks 4. The Beatles - 10 weeks 5. T-Pain - 9 weeks 6. Usher - 6 weeks 7. Bee Gees - 5 weeks 8. Cardi B - 4 weeks 9. J. Cole - 2 weeks 10. Ashanti - 2 weeks 11. Taylor Swift, Juice WRLD, DaBaby, Lil Uzi Vert, Lil Wayne, Post Malone, Ariana Grande, Cardi B, The Chainsmokers, Iggy Azalea, Adele, Akon, Chris Brown and Olivia Rodrigo have each had 1 week with 3 songs in the top 10 simultaneously.
MOST SONGS IN THE HOT 100 TOP 1P SIMULTANEOUSLY (3 OR MORE ENTRIES)
Drake - 9 songs Juice WRLD, The Beatles - 5 songs J. Cole, Lil Wayne, Post Malone, 50 Cent, T-Pain - 4 songs Taylor Swift, DaBaby, Lil Uzi Vert, Ariana Grande, Cardi B, The Chainsmokers, Justin Bieber, Iggy Azalea, Adele, Akon, Chris Brown, Usher, Ashanti, Bee Gees, Olivia Rodrigo - 3 songs
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Post by Skibidi Bop Bop on Sept 14, 2021 16:35:39 GMT -5
Billboard should implement a certain rule to be able for a song to chart in top 75 or top 50. The song should have all the metrics with a certain requirements. Atleast 5k to 7k sales or 1M AI or 5M streams minimum . To avoid this annoying album bomb thing. Regardless if this unreleased tracks will get all those top 75 req, atleast we can consider it a moderate hit. Not that it matters, but I'd be in favor of a rule like that. I think the top 10 should be excluded, though. If a song streams enough to be top 10, let it be top 10 regardless. I disagree, including top 10 as well. Because lets admit, its very easy for an artist to focus on 1 or 2 metrics to get that spot especially now in streaming(playlisting)/mass buying(website manipulating sale which is very easy) or radio payola. Atleast if an artist will attempt to manipulate all these metrics, we can appreciate them for the effort. Lets get back those days especially in early 10's even though the song did not crack top 75 is unforgettable. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Sept 14, 2021 16:43:01 GMT -5
Not that it matters, but I'd be in favor of a rule like that. I think the top 10 should be excluded, though. If a song streams enough to be top 10, let it be top 10 regardless. I disagree, including top 10 as well. Because lets admit, its very easy for an artist to focus on 1 or 2 metrics to get that spot especially now in streaming(playlisting)/mass buying(website manipulating sale which is very easy) or radio payola. Atleast if an artist will attempt to manipulate all these metrics, we can appreciate them for the effort. Lets get back those days especially in early 10's even though the song did not crack top 75 is unforgettable. A song has to stream tens of millions to make the top 10 if that's its only real metric, which to me merits charting. |
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Post by iHype. on Sept 14, 2021 16:43:51 GMT -5
Billboard should implement a certain rule to be able for a song to chart in top 75 or top 50. The song should have all the metrics with a certain requirements. Atleast 5k to 7k sales or 1M AI or 5M streams minimum . To avoid this annoying album bomb thing. Regardless if this unreleased tracks will get all those top 75 req, atleast we can consider it a moderate hit. So if they required a song to have at least 5k sales, it would make sense for you to: Reject a song from charting with 70 million streams and 4.9K sales And allow another song to chart with 7 million streams and 5K sales On a chart measuring popularity? |
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Post by Skibidi Bop Bop on Sept 14, 2021 16:59:31 GMT -5
Billboard should implement a certain rule to be able for a song to chart in top 75 or top 50. The song should have all the metrics with a certain requirements. Atleast 5k to 7k sales or 1M AI or 5M streams minimum . To avoid this annoying album bomb thing. Regardless if this unreleased tracks will get all those top 75 req, atleast we can consider it a moderate hit. So if they required a song to have at least 5k sales, it would make sense for you to: Reject a song from charting with 70 million streams and 4.9K sales And allow another song to chart with 7 million streams and 5K sales On a chart measuring popularity? I mean. That is just my example but they should have a certain rule like that because it seems like billboard is doing nothing on controlling album bombs. Yes,and why not. They can do that as well. Considering UK will only allow to chart 3 songs from an album although the track is performing well but they have to remove it just to get rid of this album bomb. Its infesting billboard right now which is kind of alarming. 3 or less out of 10 songs is the only authentic hit for me since early 2020 which is really disappointing. |
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Post by leonagwen on Sept 14, 2021 17:27:30 GMT -5
I'm gonna say the reality, I bet if you asked casual Usa music fans if they can name more than 1 song from Drake's New album less than 1 percent of the fans would be able to name more than 1 song,even though he has 10 songs in the top 10 this week. But yet when The Bee Gees had 3 songs from Saturday Night Fever in the top 10 at the same time, 75 percent or more of the people knew the songs because they were legit hits, the songs were heard everywhere. The songs from Drake's new album are not widely known by the casual music fan and you'll see next week when most of his songs will be out of the Top 10.
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Post by Clode on Sept 14, 2021 17:32:58 GMT -5
So if they required a song to have at least 5k sales, it would make sense for you to: Reject a song from charting with 70 million streams and 4.9K sales And allow another song to chart with 7 million streams and 5K sales On a chart measuring popularity? I mean. That is just my example but they should have a certain rule like that because it seems like billboard is doing nothing on controlling album bombs. Yes,and why not. They can do that as well. Considering UK will only allow to chart 3 songs from an album although the track is performing well but they have to remove it just to get rid of this album bomb. Its infesting billboard right now which is kind of alarming. 3 or less out of 10 songs is the only authentic hit for me since early 2020 which is really disappointing. These major album bombs only last a week though so I don’t get why you think that Billboard needs to limit the amount of songs from those albums that can chart on the Hot 100 in the same week to just 3. This is a very dumb suggestion for you to make and all this will really do is make the chart completely inaccurate. |
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Post by ontopofthis on Sept 14, 2021 17:38:59 GMT -5
In place of all of the whining, how about you people just stream whatever artist’s effing music then? What is stopping you?
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Sept 14, 2021 18:23:24 GMT -5
I'm gonna say the reality, I bet if you asked casual Usa music fans if they can name more than 1 song from Drake's New album less than 1 percent of the fans would be able to name more than 1 song,even though he has 10 songs in the top 10 this week. But yet when The Bee Gees had 3 songs from Saturday Night Fever in the top 10 at the same time, 75 percent or more of the people knew the songs because they were legit hits, the songs were heard everywhere. The songs from Drake's new album are not widely known by the casual music fan and you'll see next week when most of his songs will be out of the Top 10. And I bet the same applies nearly every week with every song, Drake or no Drake, because the big hits of today aren’t as widespread known as the big hits of the 70s. Why is this so hard to understand? |
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Post by jenglisbe on Sept 14, 2021 18:32:06 GMT -5
The songs from Drake's new album are not widely known by the casual music fan and you'll see next week when most of his songs will be out of the Top 10. What does next week have to do with this week? |
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Post by Gary on Sept 14, 2021 18:35:10 GMT -5
I'm gonna say the reality, I bet if you asked casual Usa music fans if they can name more than 1 song from Drake's New album less than 1 percent of the fans would be able to name more than 1 song,even though he has 10 songs in the top 10 this week. But yet when The Bee Gees had 3 songs from Saturday Night Fever in the top 10 at the same time, 75 percent or more of the people knew the songs because they were legit hits, the songs were heard everywhere. The songs from Drake's new album are not widely known by the casual music fan and you'll see next week when most of his songs will be out of the Top 10. Who is the average casual USA music fan? in your opinion? The dominant age group that drives music charts has been and always will be teenagers. These days teenagers who stream With that in mind, would they be able to name a Drake or song or two? |
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Post by felipe on Sept 14, 2021 21:13:13 GMT -5
I'm gonna say the reality, I bet if you asked casual Usa music fans if they can name more than 1 song from Drake's New album less than 1 percent of the fans would be able to name more than 1 song,even though he has 10 songs in the top 10 this week. But yet when The Bee Gees had 3 songs from Saturday Night Fever in the top 10 at the same time, 75 percent or more of the people knew the songs because they were legit hits, the songs were heard everywhere. The songs from Drake's new album are not widely known by the casual music fan and you'll see next week when most of his songs will be out of the Top 10. Who is the average casual USA music fan? in your opinion? The dominant age group that drives music charts has been and always will be teenagers. These days teenagers who stream With that in mind, would they be able to name a Drake or song or two? Would they be able to name a song or two from his current album? Not necessarily. Just because they checked his new album and most likely played it through, doesn't mean they actually know the title to any particular song in it. I guess if you played Way 2 Sexy for them they might recognize it but they might not know the name. Now would they be able to name the new Lil Nas X song? Or Justin Bieber's? Or Good 4 U? Yes, they would. |
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Post by Gary on Sept 14, 2021 21:16:28 GMT -5
Trivia question (no I don't know the answer)
I'm Too Sexy - a #1 hit by Right Said Fred written by the Fairbrass brothers (members of Right Said Fred)
Songwriting credits for this song are also responsible for 2 other #1's
Look What You Made Me Do
amd this weeks
Way 2 Sexy
Although not direct remakes of course but any other examples where songwriters get credit for 3 #1 hits for the same song?
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Post by iHype. on Sept 14, 2021 21:18:56 GMT -5
“I’m too Sexy” also clearly directly inspired “Sexy & I Know It”, even if it wasn’t credited.
It’s truly a timeless number one.
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Post by Gary on Sept 14, 2021 21:19:51 GMT -5
Who is the average casual USA music fan? in your opinion? The dominant age group that drives music charts has been and always will be teenagers. These days teenagers who stream With that in mind, would they be able to name a Drake or song or two? Would they be able to name a song or two from his current album? Not necessarily. Just because they checked his new album and most likely played it through, doesn't mean they actually know the title to any particular song in it. I guess if you played Way 2 Sexy for them they might recognize it but they might not know the name. Now would they be able to name the new Lil Nas X song? Or Justin Bieber's? Or Good 4 U? Yes, they would. The second most streamed album in a single week in the streaming era, although it is possible that the only people streaming it are mindless drones and would not be able to name any song but I doubt it |
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Post by felipe on Sept 14, 2021 21:23:00 GMT -5
That's what the album chart is for! And the single chart measures the most consumed and popular songs within a week and guess what, the most consumed and popular singles this week all came from Certified Lover Boy. The same was the same in Canada and Australia, the only reason it isn't the same in the UK is because they have a stupid rule of 3 songs per artist. If it weren't for that, there'd be Drake all over the UK Charts as well. Stop being a clown and just allow songs that aren't singles to chart. It's 2021 not 1981 I do understand your point, but on the other hand this rule hurts acts who are great sellers. Many people streamed Drake's songs intead of buying the album and he gets rewarded on both the Top 200 and the Hot 100. Now look at Taylor Swift and an album like Folklore, 600k people chose to buy the album upon release instead of streaming the songs millions of times for free. And how does the Hot 100 reflect that? It doesn't. |
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Post by felipe on Sept 14, 2021 21:28:54 GMT -5
Would they be able to name a song or two from his current album? Not necessarily. Just because they checked his new album and most likely played it through, doesn't mean they actually know the title to any particular song in it. I guess if you played Way 2 Sexy for them they might recognize it but they might not know the name. Now would they be able to name the new Lil Nas X song? Or Justin Bieber's? Or Good 4 U? Yes, they would. The second most streamed album in a single week in the streaming era, although it is possible that the only people streaming it are mindless drones and would not be able to name any song but I doubt it Well, I listened to all of Donda while working out and I can name like 3 songs in it. I guess choosing to listen to an album is different from actually making the decision to listen to a specific song. It's not like I was "Ok, so the next track is called Off the Grid. Let me see how I like Off the Grid." |
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Post by Gary on Sept 14, 2021 21:34:10 GMT -5
So in your example - you named 3 songs
which is more than a song or two
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Post by Gary on Sept 14, 2021 21:38:04 GMT -5
Another fun comment -
Billboard podcast analyzed the Drake week and did all the comparisons we did here
Streaming, every song can chart, etc.
They openly asked - what record still standing that Drake hasn't beat yet and can he do it.
Topic - Beatles - 20 #1's
They suggested that might be tough - unless the distribution pattern changes - they said he is a victim of his own success here because you can only have one #1 at a time. If he say released a song a week - (like Glee did) that would give him a better chance
They also said - here for the Drake and Mariah collab so they both can get the record LOL
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Post by leonagwen on Sept 14, 2021 21:38:28 GMT -5
I'm gonna say the reality, I bet if you asked casual Usa music fans if they can name more than 1 song from Drake's New album less than 1 percent of the fans would be able to name more than 1 song,even though he has 10 songs in the top 10 this week. But yet when The Bee Gees had 3 songs from Saturday Night Fever in the top 10 at the same time, 75 percent or more of the people knew the songs because they were legit hits, the songs were heard everywhere. The songs from Drake's new album are not widely known by the casual music fan and you'll see next week when most of his songs will be out of the Top 10. Who is the average casual USA music fan? in your opinion? The dominant age group that drives music charts has been and always will be teenagers. These days teenagers who stream With that in mind, would they be able to name a Drake or song or two? I bet you that more than 50 percent of Usa people know Good 4 U, Levitating or Kiss Me More, but less than 1 percent know any songs from Drake's new album. I know The Billboard charts goes by sales and streams but is it really accurate? The whole top 10 has songs that most people have never heard of but the songs that most people know aren't in the top 10 this week. |
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Post by Gary on Sept 14, 2021 21:42:46 GMT -5
Who is the average casual USA music fan? in your opinion? The dominant age group that drives music charts has been and always will be teenagers. These days teenagers who stream With that in mind, would they be able to name a Drake or song or two? I bet you that more than 50 percent of Usa people know Good 4 U, Levitating or Kiss Me More, but less than 1 percent know any songs from Drake's new album. I know The Billboard charts goes by sales and streams but is it really accurate? The whole top 10 has songs that most people have never heard of but the songs that most people know aren't in the top 10 this week. Who in your opinion is the average casual music fan? Better question - what age group drives popular music? |
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