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Post by Ezekiel 23:20–21 on Jan 29, 2022 5:56:12 GMT -5
This is what happens when you align with Joe Rogan. If you roll around with pigs and now you're covered in shit and stink, don't be mad because you made those choices.
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Post by bat1990 on Jan 31, 2022 9:12:25 GMT -5
The could dump music and become just a podcast-hosting platform, lol. I'm sure Apple, YouTube, and Amazon would love the influx of streaming subscribers.
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 1, 2022 0:50:15 GMT -5
Bringing this here to not clog up the Hot 100 thread: the latest one seems like a usual-ish Sunday decline, but I'm also wondering if the Spotify/Joe R*gan drama has had some impact on the numbers before yesterday. the company lost like $2 billion in market value after Neil Young removed his music and they've definitely lost some subscribers. I'm personally debating it myself, waiting to see if Spotify responds in any sort of sensible way. They will add some disclaimers and the like but that's it. newsroom.spotify.com/2022-01-30/spotifys-platform-rules-and-approach-to-covid-19/Sadly I like the service way too much to unsubscribe. I think this is a reasonable response. I think it's far more dangerous for a company with the power and scope like Spotify to suddenly start deciding what can and can't be said on their platform. First it's Joe Rogan, then it's conservative music artists, then it's a slippery slope to woke cancel culture taking out people like Demi Lovato for just being a bit problematic. Basically, the same problems and situations we got into when Spotify tried banning artists from playlists. I'm fully against any kind of censorship and believe that even misinformation spreaders like Joe Rogan shouldn't be silenced since there is still quite a lot to learn from him (like how anti-vaxxers think, for example, which helps in combating misinformation oddly enough). Instead of full removal, I approve basically any red flag and warning you can throw at the consumer that says "hey, double check what he's saying here, don't take his word for gospel, there is known misinformation here, he is not a scientist and had no knowledge of medicine, etc. etc." Especially when you consider that a full removal would only cause his followers to abandon Spotify and follow him to whatever platform he moves to. So, basically, it solves nothing. Transparency is what we need, not censorship. |
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Post by Ty on Feb 1, 2022 12:13:37 GMT -5
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Post by dbhmr on Feb 1, 2022 15:46:35 GMT -5
Idk, this all seems kinda ridiculous. Have these artists ever performed at venues that hosted people they disagreed with?
Joe Rogan is super fucking frustrating, and his massive audience numbers raises the stakes for any information he shares, but it's also true that he does have a variety of voices and opinions on his platform, and it's that very idea that makes him so popular. This kind of reaction only fuels the need, perceived or real, for a podcast like his.
He says a lot of shit you don't like? Don't listen to him. I don't think I have ever sat through more than five minutes of his podcast on purpose. And of course, musicians and artists and podcasters also have the right to remove their content from any platform you choose, but turning it into a moral failure of those who don't want to cancel their preferred (and the best, seemingly) streaming platform over someone they never even listen to is not a good look imo.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2022 15:53:01 GMT -5
This is exactly why I haven't migrated to streaming. I hate the idea of an artist's entire discography just disappearing from my library because of some "of the moment" decision/dispute/etc.
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Post by Ty on Feb 1, 2022 16:10:29 GMT -5
It's not just a free speech issue. Spotify has been in need of a better business model, one that makes music profitable again for most artists, not just that top 0.00001%. I think the Joe Rogan thing just offers a trigger to prompt artists to push back against the system it creates. This is Spotify facing the repercussions of its own bad business decision.
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Post by bat1990 on Feb 1, 2022 16:28:51 GMT -5
Somebody buy me a windup victrola for my vinyl collection and help me find a property with fertile soil b/c I'm just so damn tired all the time these days.
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Post by Future Captain on Feb 1, 2022 22:37:10 GMT -5
The whole free speech thing is a bit dubious considering in the past Spotify have had taken down podcast episodes, including from Joe Rogan himself so...
I think Spotify kinda shoot themselves on the feet when they start actively picking up shows and paying for them to be hosted on Spotify instead of just passively hosting and profiting from them
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on Feb 2, 2022 4:43:56 GMT -5
It's not just a free speech issue. Spotify has been in need of a better business model, one that makes music profitable again for most artists, not just that top 0.00001%. I think the Joe Rogan thing just offers a trigger to prompt artists to push back against the system it creates. This is Spotify facing the repercussions of its own bad business decision. I agree with dbhmr, but also this. I don't think this is an isolated pushback on Spotify. Misinformation is absolutely everywhere. Honestly, it's also quite different for artists like Neil Young/Joni Mitchell to remove their catalogue vs current popular artists. If the Taylors, Eds and Arianas of the world decided to do this, it would 1. be to their detriment unfortunately and 2. make this a very different conversation. In terms of audience, I won't shift away from Spotify because it's the best streaming service. I've tried using Apple Music so many times, but the user experience is just horrendous. Tidal... eh. Consumer behavior only follows 'what's right' so far when there are lesser alternatives. |
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Post by Mirago on Feb 2, 2022 12:44:33 GMT -5
The whole free speech thing is a bit dubious considering in the past Spotify have had taken down podcast episodes, including from Joe Rogan himself so... I think Spotify kinda shoot themselves on the feet when they start actively picking up shows and paying for them to be hosted on Spotify instead of just passively hosting and profiting from them Agreed, Spotify have already made moral decrees in the past and removed Rogan's Alex Jones episodes so why are they doubling down now on a pretext of a sudden dedication to free speech? It appears disingenuous and greedy. Still I was stunned to see Joni join Neil in pulling her music. Will they feel the pinch from current bigger artists? |
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Post by Ezekiel 23:20–21 on Feb 2, 2022 16:01:37 GMT -5
The whole free speech thing is a bit dubious considering in the past Spotify have had taken down podcast episodes, including from Joe Rogan himself so... I think Spotify kinda shoot themselves on the feet when they start actively picking up shows and paying for them to be hosted on Spotify instead of just passively hosting and profiting from them Agreed, Spotify have already made moral decrees in the past and removed Rogan's Alex Jones episodes so why are they doubling down now on a pretext of a sudden dedication to free speech? It appears disingenuous and greedy. Still I was stunned to see Joni join Neil in pulling her music. Will they feel the pinch from current bigger artists? India Arie also just pulled her stuff. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2022 16:05:44 GMT -5
Now the other members of Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young have pulled their catalogs (group and solo) from Spotify.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 2, 2022 19:33:40 GMT -5
It's not just a free speech issue. Spotify has been in need of a better business model, one that makes music profitable again for most artists, not just that top 0.00001%. I think the Joe Rogan thing just offers a trigger to prompt artists to push back against the system it creates. This is Spotify facing the repercussions of its own bad business decision. Roseanne Cash had a nice interview with RS that I posted in the Hot 100 as I hadn't seen this thread, and she says what you say here. She notes how difficult it is for many artists to legally pull their music, notes the financial ability of some to do so, and notes that the public can just not use Spotify. |
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Feb 4, 2022 9:24:43 GMT -5
Still I was stunned to see Joni join Neil in pulling her music. Will they feel the pinch from current bigger artists? No, they won't. Because in 2 weeks, nobody will even remember why Neil Young pulled his catalog. If anybody bigger was going to jump on the bandwagon, they would have done it 2 weeks ago, not when people stop caring. |
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Post by Amnesiac on Feb 7, 2022 18:45:37 GMT -5
Interesting new development in all this
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Post by magik on Feb 17, 2022 21:45:49 GMT -5
Still doesn't justify the $100 million deal when artists aren't getting nearly as much as that on a primary music forum. |
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Post by Ezekiel 23:20–21 on Feb 18, 2022 1:16:41 GMT -5
I thought it was $100 million?  |
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Feb 18, 2022 8:38:04 GMT -5
Still doesn't justify the $100 million deal when artists aren't getting nearly as much as that on a primary music forum. That's an issue between an artist and their label, not the artist and Spotify. The labels are the ones who negotiated the payout rates. Rogan is churning out new content weekly and bringing millions of subscribers with him. That's worth more to Spotify than any single artist's payout. |
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Post by armanomusic on Feb 24, 2022 12:08:13 GMT -5
Curious to see how this will impact the streaming industry long-term.
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Post by pancakes on Mar 6, 2022 4:04:29 GMT -5
Been around a week since this hit headlines and I think people have completely forgot about it already.
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Post by Push The Button on Mar 6, 2022 13:21:50 GMT -5
Been around a week since this hit headlines and I think people have completely forgot about it already. That’s what “of the moment” social media outrage is all about. Everybody moved on to the next thing already. |
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Post by think pink. on Mar 13, 2022 16:50:04 GMT -5
Been around a week since this hit headlines and I think people have completely forgot about it already. Bc it was nothing more than fake outrage. People who didn’t even listen to his show in the first place wanting him to be canceled for likes and retweets. Spotify will only stop supporting Joe when his actual listeners do. |
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Mar 14, 2022 7:35:08 GMT -5
Interesting new development in all this Publicity causing a short term increase in curiosity streams isn't particularly interesting or new. |
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