Billboard Hot 100: 02/19/2022

[Abbaschand]

Feb 8, 2022 10:26:32 GMT -5 Baby Yoda Hot100Fan said:

-(-) Jnr Choi - To The Moon 2.42(+1.70)

The f*ck is this?

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

Feb 8, 2022 10:32:30 GMT -5 Groovy said:

Safe to say You Should Probably Leave peaked on radio.

At least it managed to get to #1 in Country Airplay, which seemed unlikely when it first came out.

[iHype.]

Since it's a slow week, in other news, "Kiss Me More" is just now the second-most successful female collab on Hot 100.

Side notes:
No Doubt f/ Lady Saw - "Underneath It All" is a collaboration with only female vocals despite not being female-only. It peaked #3 and has 495,000 points. 
Eurythmics & Aretha Franklin - "Sisters Are Doin' It For Themselves" is a collaboration with only female vocals despite not being female-only. It peaked #18 and has 127,000 points.

Tweet - "Oops" did not have Missy Elliott credited as a featured artist on Hot 100, despite Wikipedia/the album crediting her feature. It peaked #7 and has 273,000 points.

[phieaglesfan712]

That summer/early fall 2014 period (Iggy vs Ariana) was wild with Fancy, Problem, Bang Bang, and Black Widow all charting right around the same time.

[dremolus - solarpunk]

US Spotify - 02/07/22

1(=) Carolina Gaitán - La Gaita, Mauro Castillo, Adassa, Rhenzy Feliz, Diane Guerrero, Stephanie Beatriz, Encanto Cast - We Don't Talk About Bruno 1,276,369 (-62,109)
2(=) Gunna, Future - pushin P 949,119 (+5,195)
3(=) Glass Animals - Heat Waves 932,152 (+15,481)
4(=) Kodak Black - Super Gremlin 919,618 (+14,063)
5(+1) Juice WRLD - Cigarettes 884,755 (+72,215)
6(-1) Jessica Darrow - Surface Pressure 820,787 (-5,226)
7(=) Lil Nas X - INDUSTRY BABY 723,000 (-18,204)
8(=) The Kid LAROI - STAY 721,670 (-10,282)
9(=) Nicki Minaj, Lil Baby - Do We Have A Problem? 656,909 (+19,014)
10(+3) The Walters - I Love You So 656,345 (+60,816)

Others:
11(=) Imagine Dragons - Enemy 629,513 (+12,554)
12(-2) GAYLE - abcdefu 627,656 (+2,990)
13(-1) Stephanie Beatriz, Olga Merediz, Encanto Cast - The Family Madrigal 571,413 (-27,208)
14(=) Doja Cat - Need to Know 565,589 (+4,945)
15(+2) Drake - Knife Talk 558,595 (+27,122)
16(=) Lil Nas X - THATS WHAT I WANT 558,140 (+8,842)
17(+5) King Von, 21 Savage - Don't Play That 557,918 (+74,422)
18(+5) Tate McRae - she's all i wanna be 551,137 (+68,708)
19(+1) Adele - Easy On Me 543,125 (+38,518)
20(+5) Steve Lacy - Dark Red 543,068 (+67,397)
21(-6) Elton John, Dua Lipa - Cold Heart (PNAU Remix) 541,248 (-11,820)
22(+2) Frank Ocean - Lost 533,694 (+57,421)
24(+5) Lauren Spencer-Smith - Fingers Crossed 502,460 (+58,336)
25(-7) Diane Guerrero, Stephanie Beatriz - What Else Can I Do? 501,810 (-19,062)
26(+1) SZA - I Hate U 496,399 (+23,814)
27(-6) Doja Cat - Woman 488,613 (-8,141)
31(+19) $NOT, A$AP Rocky - Doja 468,366 (+109,283)
32(-4) Ed Sheeran - Shivers 465,546 (+15,049)
33(+3) Arctic Monkeys - 505 459,131 (+60,080)
34(+3) Vundabar - Alien Blues 451,361 (+56,627)
35(-3) Justin Bieber - Ghost 445,238 (+20,398)
37(+2) The Rare Occasions - Notion 437,418 (+46,249)
38(-5) NEIKED - Better Days 426,838 (+8,206)
39(-4) Charlie Puth - Light Switch 421,352 (+18,820)
40(+14) Em Beihold - Numb Little Bug 413,633 (+70,634)
41(-7) Stephanie Beatriz - Waiting on a Miracle 409,096 (-7,419)
42(+3) Machine Gun Kelly - emo girl 408,874 (+31,823)
43(-2) Lil Durk - Broadway Girls 406,071 (+20,180)
44(+4) Gunna - P power 405,256 (+39,918)
45(+1) Playboi Carti - Sky 404,252 (+31,293)
47(-3) THE ANXIETY, WILLOW, Tyler Cole - Meet Me At Our Spot 398,890 (+21,157)
48(+12) The Neighbourhood - Softcore 397,494 (+68,383)
51(-9) Bruno Mars, Anderson .Paak, Silk Sonic - Smokin Out The Window 387,405 (+7,868)
52(-5) Post Malone - One Right Now 380,768 (+14,703)
53(-10) Sebastian Yatra - Dos Oruguitas 377,120 (-1,775)
55(+7) Surf Curse - Freaks 355,622 (+29,799)
58(+32) Labrinth, Zendaya - All For Us 350,804 (+68,922)
59(+6) Jaymes Young - Infinity 347,948 (+26,688)
60(+16) Beach House - Space Song 343,504 (+43,868)
61(-3) The Weeknd - Sacrifice 341,605 (+10,435)
62(+18) Yeat - Monëy so big 340,544 (+45,051)
63(+12) Yung Lean - Ginseng Strip 2002 340,254 (+37,881)
66(-3) Muni Long - Hrs and Hrs 339,654 (+17,539)
70(+26) Tyler the Creator - NEW MAGIC WAND 329,755 (+56,107)
72(-11) Dua Lipa - Levitating 325,626 (-1,067)
73(-14) Doja Cat - Get Into It (Yuh) 323,620 (-6,350)
81(=) Adele - Oh My God 317,019 (+21,890)
82(+4) Taylor Swift - All Too Well (10 Minute Version) 316,735 (+28,269)
84(-6) Nardo Wick - Who Want Smoke?? 312,256 (+13,882)
88(-14) Latto - Big Energy 305,655 (+2,117)
91(+1) YG - Scared Money 301,074 (+20,571)
93(+9) Ruth B. - Dandelions 297,278 (+33,062)
94(+9) Rod Wave - By Your Side 296,867 (+32,873)
96(+2) Gucci Mane - Rumors 293,424 (+27,669)
97(-3) Dr. Dre - Gospel 293,211 (+17,810)
99(-17) BoyWithUke - Toxic 290,170 (-4,794)

102(+27) Labrinth - Formula 283,780 (+48,177)
103(-16) CKay - love nwantiti (ah ah ah) 281,880 (-5,779)
104(-27) Stephanie Beatriz, Olga Merediz, John Leguizamo, Adassa, Maluma, Encanto Cast - All of You 281,430 (-17,475)
109(re-entry) SiM - The Rumbling (TV Size) 275,920
113(-16) The Game, Kanye West - Eazy 273,583 (+5,659)
115(-8) Swedish House Mafia - Moth to a Flame 268,154 (+11,764)
119(+1) Jordan Davis, Luke Bryan - Buy Dirt 264,470 (+22,110)
120(+2) Nardo Wick - Me or Sum 264,372 (+24,897)
121(+6) Joy Again - Looking Out For You 263,805 (+27,136)
123(+11) Vacations - Young 259,360 (+26,957)
125(+26) Giveon - For Tonight 259,266 (+36,175)
133(-3) The Weeknd - Save Your Tears Remix 249,983 (+14,763)
138(+17) JID - Surround Sound 247,630 (+25,611)
139(+15) Kodak Black - Love & War 247,557 (+25,457)
148(=) The Weeknd - Save Your Tears 244,394 (+20,677)
151(-13) Rauw Alejandro, Chencho Corleone - Desesperados 242,547 (+12,655)
155(DEBUT) Labrinth - Mount Everest 241,175
158(+6) The Chainsmokers - High 239,836 (+19,980)
160(+22) The Backseat Lovers - Kilby Girl 238,804 (+27,346)
161(re-entry) Baby Keem - trademark usa 238,776
169(re-entry) Chase Atlantic - Swim 236,359
175(-58) ACRAZE, Cherish - Do It To It 234,787 (-10,299)
179(-7) Emmy Meli - I AM WOMAN 233,770 (+18,672)
187(re-entry) The Neighbourhood - You Get Me So High 229,196
188(-17) Morgan Wallen - Sand in My Boots 227,717 (+12,303)
191(re-entry) Labrinth - Still Don't Know My Name 226,690
193(-41) Red Hot Chili Peppers - Black Summer 226,300 (+3,457)
195(re-entry) Joey Bada$$ - Love Is Only a Feeling 225,713
198(-74) Carlos Vives - Colombia, Mi Encanto 225,219 (-13,638)
200(DEBUT) Tame Impala - Eventually 225,121

Total Streams of Save Your Tears: 494,377

Biggest Gains (50K+): NEW MAGIC WAND, All For Us, Softcore, Numb Little Bug, No Role Modelz, Alien Blues, 505, Doja, family ties, Fingers Crossed, Lost, Dark Red, she's all i wanna be, Don't Play That, I Love You So, Cigarettes

[iHype.]

Feb 8, 2022 8:29:29 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

In reading an old issue of Billboard, I just saw Mariah's cover of "I'll Be There" debuted at #4 on Hot 100 Airplay with 49 million impressions. I assume that 49 million was for Top 40 only, really, since Hot 100 Airplay didn't encompass all formats like it did by the late 90s. That would mean 1992 impressions for Top 40 weren't too different from current levels.

It also included Rhythmic at that point, and ofcourse, she was a top artist on that format.

Briefly going through old links... audience numbers for the #1 song on Top 40 during random weeks:

1997 - "Semi Charmed Life", 36 million
1998 - "Iris", 52 million
2001 - "All Or Nothing", 60~ million
2003 - "Rock Your Body" 56 million
2004 - "Toxic", 58 million
2005 - "Hollaback Girl", 66 million
2006 - "Hips Don't Lie", 62 million
2007 - "Big Girls Don't Cry", 65 million
2008 - "Bleeding Love", 67 million
2009 - "I Gotta Feeling", 66 million
2010 - "California Gurls", 87 million
2012 - "Call Me Maybe", 76 million
2013 - "Blurred Lines", 77 million
2014 - "All Of Me", 76 million
2015 - "What Do You Mean?", 95 million
2016 - "This Is What You Came For", 93 million
2017 - "Shape of You", 92 million
2018 - "Girls Like You", 83 million
2019 - "Talk", 78 million
2020 - "Watermelon Sugar", 55 million
2021 - "Save Your Tears", 42 million
2022 - "Heat Waves", 44 million

Conclusion: Top 40's #1 used to only do around 30-45 million audience typically from early to mid 90s. Then the numbers for the format increased in late 90s to and stayed similar until late 00s (50-65 million~ for a #1 song). Then in 2010 the numbers got a big surge, peaked in mid 2010s, then gradually decreased. Plummeted in COVID era and now is similar to pre-1998. 

Never realized how hard the audience for the format has plummeted in recent years til seeing that. 92 million to 44 million in 5 years is kinda insane.

[fridayteenage]

nicki's instrumental is now #1 on itunes.

very bts army of her.

[tasz]

Feb 8, 2022 15:05:54 GMT -5 fridayteenage said:

nicki's instrumental is now #1 on itunes.

very bts army of her.

Most of those sales won't count

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

Feb 8, 2022 15:05:54 GMT -5 fridayteenage said:

nicki's instrumental is now #1 on itunes.

very bts army of her.

Not to mention that instrumental was already in her store earlier in the day, before I noticed it in the iTunes chart.

[kcdawg13]

I hope that new Nicki track debuts at #11, it would be hilarious. But really any place but #1 will anger the barbs so it's gonna be a bloodbath on Monday no matter what.

[After Minutes]

Feb 8, 2022 15:05:54 GMT -5 fridayteenage said:

nicki's instrumental is now #1 on itunes.

very bts army of her.

Honestly in this case I could actually see some people legitimately being interested in the instrumental since that's easily the best part of the song and what carries the track

I mean obviously we know why this is happening but it isn't anywhere as bizarre of things similar to this in the past

[thegreatdivine]

What's wrong with the site? Why isn't the preview option working anymore? You try to edit a post and all you get is the option to view the BB code.

[Mayman]

Feb 8, 2022 15:13:00 GMT -5 tasz said:

Feb 8, 2022 15:05:54 GMT -5 fridayteenage said:

nicki's instrumental is now #1 on itunes.

very bts army of her.

Most of those sales won't count

Yeah they will. Why wouldn't they? It's a different version and you can only purchase it once.

[Choco]

This is the first test of whatever power is left for digital sales to fuck up the chart.

[JukeboxJacob]

Feb 8, 2022 8:10:21 GMT -5 dremolus - solarpunk said:

Now that it's charting, I think I can safely say Infinity is one of the worst pop songs to chart in a while. Easily the worst song to debut this week (yes, even worse than that Chainsmokers song and X's label re-releasing a more than 6 year old song on streaming services). Pls don't make this a hit on radio.

...I love Infinity. My opposites theory holds up

[gikem]

Infinity has an OK instrumental with all the synths, but the composition is way too X Ambassadors-y for me to get into. Hell, Jaymes Young even looks a lot like that band's lead singer Sam Harris. Still, it's not the worst thing ever, and I'll gladly take it over the terrible Arcade from last year.

[JukeboxJacob]

Who's excited for my bad takes? Let's go!

1. WDTAB: It's still kinda surreal that this is happening
3. Heat Waves: Not getting my hopes up, but I think the impossible has happened: It peaked
11. Cold Heart: OK America, your bad taste won
43. Enemy: this song really demonstrates the disconnect between streaming and radio
79. Peru: catchy, but too minimalist for me to get into
81. Get Into It: Unlike Woman, I don't see this getting much of a second wind
87. Iffy: I recently marathon'd Todd In The Shadow's YE top 10's, how tf does Chris Brown just keep staying relevant??
94 & 95. Infinity & The Motto: Hooray! 😀 Let's see how far they can go!

I hope I Am Woman re-enters, but I'm afraid it might be too alternative and sonically ahead of its time for the GP

lol at none of Youngboy's songs sticking. I don't strongly dislike him or anything, but he's never made anything I wanted to listen to

[Taylor.]

[Choco]

Enemy not doing radio numbers is the label's fault. They kept pushing I Follow You to Pop until very recently. Radio is actually giving it nice gains now that it's the radio single.

[enwhy]

Feb 8, 2022 17:57:09 GMT -5 Taylor. said:

They picked a good time to drop it - the top 10 is so weak right now. Also Bruno appears to have peaked on Spotify...#1 might be tough with the new Sales rules though.

[Choco]

Physical signed singles are coming but it's unclear if they're for the UK only or if they're shipping during that first tracking week. Those aren't affected by the new rule... we'll see. Ed has been having alright longevity but lackluster debuts on Streaming, meanwhile Taylor opens huge and craters down in a couple weeks so maybe they'll compliment each other and get a big long lasting hit?

[gikem]

Ed vs. Nicki vs. Encanto for the #1 next week? That should be fun to watch…

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

[s9983]

Feb 8, 2022 19:22:56 GMT -5 gikem said:

Ed vs. Nicki vs. Encanto for the #1 next week? That should be fun to watch…

There's realistically no way nickis song is challenging. It's streams are not high enough and the sales will very obviously be filtered w/ the new rules. It's very easily going to encanto

[Mayman]

Feb 8, 2022 19:40:19 GMT -5 s9983 said:

Feb 8, 2022 19:22:56 GMT -5 gikem said:

Ed vs. Nicki vs. Encanto for the #1 next week? That should be fun to watch…

There's realistically no way nickis song is challenging. It's streams are not high enough and the sales will very obviously be filtered w/ the new rules. It's very easily going to encanto

Nicki's new song will be out this Friday. It's gone semi-viral on TikTok.

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

...and it's miles better than DWHAB

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

‘We Don’t Talk About Bruno’ Has Conquered the Hot 100 & Streaming Services — Is Radio Next?

2/8/2022

By Andrew Unterberger

The viral 'Encanto' smash is on its way to being one of the year's defining songs, but you wouldn't know that yet from its radio presence.

“Guys – these are Drake numbers.”

Mark Adams, vp of CHR programming for iHeartMedia Markets Group and programming director for adult pop station KIOI (San Francisco) and top 40 stations KYLD (SF) and KKRZ (Portland, Oregon), recalls using the “D” name on a recent national call with other radio programmers. Adams was mentioning the most successful streaming artist of the past decade to illustrate the viral success of the Disney smash “We Don’t Talk About Bruno” – taken from the runaway hit animated film Encanto – and to explain why it was perhaps time for contemporary hit radio PDs to start paying attention.

“Top 40 and CHR is reflective of pop culture,” Adams says. “We try to be aware of everything that’s happening that our audience would care about. And the success of [Encanto] on Disney+ across the holidays – which of course in turn helped spur early performance metrics – put it on my radar really early.”

If you’ve paid any amount of attention to pop culture in 2022, chances are pretty good “We Don’t Talk About Bruno” is on your radar by now. Boosted by Encanto’s brilliantly timed arrival on streaming near the end of 2021, the Lin-Manuel Miranda-penned song debuted at No. 50 on the Billboard Hot 100 dated Jan. 8 of this year. Accelerated by further word of mouth and a full-bodied TikTok embrace, “Bruno” flew up the chart, hitting No. 1 just four weeks later – becoming easily the biggest breakout hit of the early year.

But despite the rapidly developed cultural ubiquity of “We Don’t Talk About Bruno,” the one place where you might’ve missed it thus far is on radio. Despite being the No. 1 song on the Hot 100 for a second week this week, “Bruno” is still nowhere to be found on Billboard’s 50-position Radio Songs listing, with its success to this point powered almost entirely by streaming (five weeks at No. 1 on Streaming Songs) and sales (one week at No. 1 on Digital Song Sales). 

It’s not hard to see why the song has gotten off to a slower start at radio. Though the ‘90s Disney boom saw major hit singles generated from the soundtracks to Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin and The Lion King, prior to Encanto, the only Hot 100 top 10 hit produced by a Disney animated film this century was Idina Menzel’s “Let It Go” from Frozen (No. 5, 2014). “Bruno” also diverges wildly from the standard form of those previous big hits – mega-ballads that also worked as standalone pop songs – as a musical number more sung-spoken than belted, with a salsa-inspired shuffle rather than gated drums and dramatic strings, and seven credited performers (Carolina Gaitán, Mauro Castillo, Adassa, Rhenzy Feliz, Diane Guerrero, Stephanie Beatriz and Encanto Cast) instead of the usual one or two. What’s more, it’s not a simply understood love duet or grand personal statement, but a many-voiced, plot-advancing showtune that would likely make little sense on the radio to listeners unfamiliar with the movie.

Despite those obvious obstacles to radio integration, those Drake numbers are growing harder and harder for top 40 stations to ignore. Adams tested “Bruno” out on the adult pop station KIOI at first, since that channel had found success with more recent Disney songs, like “How Far I’ll Go” or “You’re Welcome” from Moana and “Remember Me” from Coco. “I feel like some of the Disney music has, at times, been an underutilized resource – particularly for adult formats, which are so reliant upon moms and dads with kids,” he explains.

Adams’ and KIOI’s initial embrace of the song came as a pleasant surprise to Scot Finck, svp of promotion at Disney Music Group. “I joked with him, ‘We haven’t even had a chance to finish the one-sheet for our servicing!’” Finck recalls. Nonetheless, “Bruno” did well enough at KIOI – as well as at a handful of other stations that had started to test the waters with it – that Adams also eventually added the song at KYLD, which Finck calls “the ultimate format flare” in signaling the song as a potential CHR hit.

And slowly – compared to its streaming velocity, anyway – but surely, it’s catching on. This week, on the chart dated Feb. 12, “Bruno” debuts at No. 33 on Billboard’s Adult Pop Airplay listing, and at No. 38 on Pop Airplay. Though it was not initially the focus track overall from the set for Disney – that was Carlos Vives’ “Colombia, Mi Encanto,” which debuts this week at No. 100 on the Hot 100 – Finck says Disney Music Group is now “focused with the energy of a thousand suns” in pushing “Bruno” as hard to radio as possible.

“We’re presenting it as a simple equation to our radio partners: You always need audience, and this is the No. 1 song by many measures to deliver that,” he summarizes. “Furthermore, all the initial data is proving it’s that especially rare hit that appeals across EVERY demo.” (Finck also says his pitching has gotten a lot easier in the past week: “A lot of programmers are shifting quickly from “I’m not so sure” to “‘I’ll be there this coming week or next.’”)

KYLD hadn’t played a Disney song in rotation since “Let It Go” nearly a decade earlier, but Adams thought the song’s cross-platform massiveness simply demanded to be recognized. “Once in a while, you see  it’s just this weird moment in time when The Weeknd and Ariana Grande and the Chainsmokers and Lin-Manuel Miranda – they all have really great records.” (Adams also acknowledges the impact that the rising prominence of Latin pop and hip-hop in the CHR format might have had in making the current presence of “Bruno” less jarring: “I think its musical influences are, in some ways, very much in line with a lot of very big popular artists that we already play on the radio.”)  becomes so massive that, again, it’s a pop cultural movement,” he says. “I think top 40 needs to find a way to touch and embrace [that moment].”

That can be easier said than done when it comes to a song as conspicuous as “Bruno” – which, due largely to what Adams calls its “Broadway mechanics,” doesn’t necessarily make for a seamless fit between big hits from more traditional pop radio fixtures. So Adams’ stations make a point of “staging” the song with DJ intro banter (“Hey, I’m sure you’ve seen the movie 100 times with your kids – and you probably have this already stuck in your head – let us do it for you yet again!” he gives by way of example), or by leading in with imaging that makes reference to Encanto and gives context to the song to follow.

“There’s a little bit of an artistic nuance to have it effectively staged so it’s not just crashing into The Weeknd,” he says. “But it’s still on the same playlist, because

And while “Bruno” might not have a lot of the same obvious radio strengths as the new singles from those other top 40 fixtures, it does share perhaps their most potent weapon: a knockout hook. “That hook is great,” Adams offers, with a Tony the Tiger-style emphasis on the adjective. “And I think that kind of overcomes those other barriers of entry. [For listeners who] haven’t seen the film, and they couldn’t describe the plot, and they’re unaware of what the characters in the song are referencing – right away, they can all sing, “We don’t talk about Bruuu-noooo…” Like, it’s very, very catchy.” 

The improving numbers and enthusiastic early response to “Bruno” on radio – Adams says that every time his stations play the song, he sees “people putting up their IG videos where they’re filming the radio while they’re driving to work, or kids singing in the back seat” – raises the question of if the song will soon be as unavoidable on the airwaves as it is online. Will Calder, director of branding and programming for CHR stations WPYO Orlando and WPOI Tampa, has noted similar excitement upon “Bruno” being played on his own stations – but imagines we may soon hit a natural endpoint to that excitement.

“Songs like [“Bruno”] are best suited in the moment while pop culture is excited about it – once that energy subsides, it’s probably time to put the lid on it,” he says. “While I never say never, I don’t see ‘Bruno’ ending up with thousands of spins, or in our 2022 year-end music countdowns.”

Finck, however, believes the song can outlive Encanto’s time at pop culture’s center. “This is about much more than just harnessing ‘the moment,’” he says. “Radio is recognizing this is not just a timeless Disney track, but a relevant hit for their formats.”

[Choco]

I think Ed and Nicki coming close to #1 will depend on sales. Ed will surely have a bigger radio start. No idea about streaming because Nicki and Lil Baby will do numbers on AM but Taylor does well on Spotify...

At this very early stage though I could see Bruno staying put.

[s9983]

Feb 8, 2022 19:45:24 GMT -5 Mayman said:

Feb 8, 2022 19:40:19 GMT -5 s9983 said:

There's realistically no way nickis song is challenging. It's streams are not high enough and the sales will very obviously be filtered w/ the new rules. It's very easily going to encanto

Nicki's new song will be out this Friday. It's gone semi-viral on TikTok.

No it has not. It will not have nearly the same playlisting either and the fans have very well spent most of their money on this single lmao. 

[flextamcsignals]

Can somebody please explain to me Billboard's recurrent rules and why Drunk (And I Don't Wanna Go Home) isn't allowed to re-enter the charts if it's currently top 50 on radio and gaining? Makes no sense to me, does it have to have enough points to be in the top 50 and it doesn't at this point?