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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Mar 17, 2022 9:05:09 GMT -5
Phieagles alternative fact check of the day: JaTQ was dead before we knew Bam Bam existed. All I said was Bam Bam was the nail in the coffin. I never claimed that TJaTQ wasn’t dead before Bam Bam existed. In fact, I agree that it was probably dead before Bam Bam, but the release of Bam Bam pretty much sealed no chance at a revival for TJaTQ. That said, it’s interesting that Ed is going to release another project on 3/25. Since radio won’t let go of BH, I hope radio holds on to Bam Bam and lets go of Shivers. |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Mar 17, 2022 9:09:04 GMT -5
Phieagles alternative fact check of the day: JaTQ was dead before we knew Bam Bam existed. All I said was Bam Bam was the nail in the coffin. I never claimed that TJaTQ wasn’t dead before Bam Bam existed. In fact, I agree that it was probably dead before Bam Bam, but the release of Bam Bam pretty much sealed no chance at a revival for TJaTQ. That said, it’s interesting that Ed is going to release another project on 3/25. Since radio won’t let go of BH, I hope radio holds on to Bam Bam and lets go of Shivers. Bam Bam is Camila's song, he's just a feature. |
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Post by Choco on Mar 17, 2022 9:13:12 GMT -5
Radio dropping TJaTQ sealed it's fate and it stopped gaining as soon as week 1 was over. There's no path for a 2022 Ed Sheeran song to be a hit without radio.
There's no correlation with Camila's single.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Mar 17, 2022 9:40:03 GMT -5
Whats up with the charts? The are all over youtube usually every Wednesday The Billboard Top Songs and Charts channels have not released their usual volume of videos. Sometimes there might a licensing issue regarding a song in the chart that causes the video for it to be delayed until the issue is resolved either way in terms of allowing the audio of the song to be included or not. Because of that, many YT channels ended up pretty much dying in the past. |
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Post by mms82 on Mar 17, 2022 11:36:01 GMT -5
Radio dropping TJaTQ sealed it's fate and it stopped gaining as soon as week 1 was over. There's no path for a 2022 Ed Sheeran song to be a hit without radio. There's no correlation with Camila's single. Shivers went top 20 before radio went on board... I think it's the flip, there's no way an Ed song with any streaming success doesn't become a radio hit as well down the road |
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Post by Taylor. on Mar 17, 2022 12:11:23 GMT -5
Radio dropping TJaTQ sealed it's fate and it stopped gaining as soon as week 1 was over. There's no path for a 2022 Ed Sheeran song to be a hit without radio. There's no correlation with Camila's single. Shivers went top 20 before radio went on board... I think it's the flip, there's no way an Ed song with any streaming success doesn't become a radio hit as well down the road This was Shivers literal first update on pop: 0 38 ED SHEERAN Shivers 987 0 987 4.352 Radio was always on board. TJ&TQ was just a bad decision all around. |
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Post by Choco on Mar 17, 2022 14:53:02 GMT -5
Radio dropping TJaTQ sealed it's fate and it stopped gaining as soon as week 1 was over. There's no path for a 2022 Ed Sheeran song to be a hit without radio. There's no correlation with Camila's single. Shivers went top 20 before radio went on board... I think it's the flip, there's no way an Ed song with any streaming success doesn't become a radio hit as well down the road Technically streaming took JaTQ to #21 which is hit territory on paper but without radio it was never going to go further or last on the charts. |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Mar 17, 2022 18:27:44 GMT -5
HITS' Song Revenue chart estimated that Handsomer managed 8.9k digital sales, which would be the now low for a #1 in Digital Song Sales.
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Post by iHype. on Mar 17, 2022 18:36:21 GMT -5
HITS' Song Revenue chart estimated that Handsomer managed 8.9k digital sales, which would be the now low for a #1 in Digital Song Sales. Cold Heart did a few hundred less two weeks ago I believe. |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Mar 17, 2022 18:48:06 GMT -5
^I guess you're right! oldbloke @ UKMix had it at 8.3k, which was probably the estimate published on that week's Song Revenue chart by HITS.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Mar 17, 2022 19:49:08 GMT -5
Radio dropping TJaTQ sealed it's fate and it stopped gaining as soon as week 1 was over. There's no path for a 2022 Ed Sheeran song to be a hit without radio. There's no correlation with Camila's single. TJaTQ being a terrible choice for a single notwithstanding, when are we going to admit that Taylor simply no longer possesses any powers on the Hot 100 with regards to scoring hits? Yes, she'll still score multiple Hot 100 debuts from album bombs, but the last time she scored an actual hit was with LWYMMD off reputation. Every attempt at scoring a hit since then has fallen flat (and not for a lack of trying). Ed should be fine. He's still got some top 10 hits in his future. He should probably just stay away from pointless collaborations moving forward. |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Mar 17, 2022 21:38:20 GMT -5
^We'll probably find out if the latter is true pretty soon.
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Post by suzcruz7 on Mar 17, 2022 22:00:00 GMT -5
Radio dropping TJaTQ sealed it's fate and it stopped gaining as soon as week 1 was over. There's no path for a 2022 Ed Sheeran song to be a hit without radio. There's no correlation with Camila's single. TJaTQ being a terrible choice for a single notwithstanding, when are we going to admit that Taylor simply no longer possesses any powers on the Hot 100 with regards to scoring hits? Yes, she'll still score multiple Hot 100 debuts from album bombs, but the last time she scored an actual hit was with LWYMMD off reputation. Every attempt at scoring a hit since then has fallen flat (and not for a lack of trying). Ed should be fine. He's still got some top 10 hits in his future. He should probably just stay away from pointless collaborations moving forward. Delicate also did pretty well. |
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Post by mms82 on Mar 17, 2022 22:18:11 GMT -5
TJaTQ being a terrible choice for a single notwithstanding, when are we going to admit that Taylor simply no longer possesses any powers on the Hot 100 with regards to scoring hits? Yes, she'll still score multiple Hot 100 debuts from album bombs, but the last time she scored an actual hit was with LWYMMD off reputation. Every attempt at scoring a hit since then has fallen flat (and not for a lack of trying). Ed should be fine. He's still got some top 10 hits in his future. He should probably just stay away from pointless collaborations moving forward. Delicate also did pretty well. she's had three number one's since then... like All Too Well 10 Minutes Version was a moment and the biggest hit we've had since it debuted (counting Easy On Me as before since it debuted before ATW) |
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Post by fridayteenage on Mar 17, 2022 23:57:40 GMT -5
HITS' Song Revenue chart estimated that Handsomer managed 8.9k digital sales, which would be the now low for a #1 in Digital Song Sales. When's bts releasing their next 10+ week sales #1? |
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Post by pnobelysk on Mar 18, 2022 0:12:10 GMT -5
Radio dropping TJaTQ sealed it's fate and it stopped gaining as soon as week 1 was over. There's no path for a 2022 Ed Sheeran song to be a hit without radio. There's no correlation with Camila's single. TJaTQ being a terrible choice for a single notwithstanding, when are we going to admit that Taylor simply no longer possesses any powers on the Hot 100 with regards to scoring hits? Yes, she'll still score multiple Hot 100 debuts from album bombs, but the last time she scored an actual hit was with LWYMMD off reputation. Every attempt at scoring a hit since then has fallen flat (and not for a lack of trying). Ed should be fine. He's still got some top 10 hits in his future. He should probably just stay away from pointless collaborations moving forward. We can disagree on this if you want especially bc what a hit means truly ranges from board member to board member. I’d wager you’re making an argument for a hit with longevity which delicate Deff qualifies for I’d also say you need to calm down was a hit more than it gets credit for |
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Post by Joe1240 on Mar 18, 2022 1:23:56 GMT -5
Radio dropping TJaTQ sealed it's fate and it stopped gaining as soon as week 1 was over. There's no path for a 2022 Ed Sheeran song to be a hit without radio. There's no correlation with Camila's single. TJaTQ being a terrible choice for a single notwithstanding, when are we going to admit that Taylor simply no longer possesses any powers on the Hot 100 with regards to scoring hits? Yes, she'll still score multiple Hot 100 debuts from album bombs, but the last time she scored an actual hit was with LWYMMD off reputation. Every attempt at scoring a hit since then has fallen flat (and not for a lack of trying). Ed should be fine. He's still got some top 10 hits in his future. He should probably just stay away from pointless collaborations moving forward. Delicate & I Don't Wanna Live Forever were hits recently for Taylor. Taylor has had 3 #1 singles that last a week each which is great. Taylor's features themselves haven't done anything in a long time so that is bad metric to use for her overall chart appearances. |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Mar 18, 2022 2:28:33 GMT -5
suzcruz7 Delicate did do well. It's chart run was primarily radio-driven but it did linger in the top 20 for a while and it charted for 35 weeks — the most amount of time for any single off reputation. It also peaked on more than 2 radio formats. Definite hit. Can't believe I missed that, but thanks for bringing it up. mms82 sorry, but I don't count ATW (TV) as a hit because it wasn't. It debuting at #1 doesn't make it hit because it fell out of the top 10 after spending only 2 weeks in the region. It only spent 3 weeks in the top 40 and kept falling till it departed the Hot 100 after 15 weeks. I don't count it as a hit and it's "moment" really only lasted a week. I also wouldn't count it as a failure either due to its length and the fact that it's a re-released 9 year-old song. It's debut was the most impressive thing about it's chart run and that's about it. pnobelysk I've already acknowledged Delicate as a hit. I can give that to YNTCD as well, seeing as it spent 12 consecutive weeks in the top 20. Moderate hit. Joe1240 I've already acknowledged Delicate as a hit. IDWLF was released in 2016, 8 months before the release of LWYMMD. I never denied that it was a hit. My original post said LWYMMD was her last legit claim for a hit. For anyone else who might want to quote me later, just so y'all know my criteria for songs I consider hits: They have to have some sort of longevity (not necessarily in the top 10, but at least in the top 20 of the Hot 100. It also helps if they're also hits on at least one radio format. Amassing tons of streams during their chart runs is also something I'd attribute to a song being a hit). I don't care if an artist debuted 50 songs at #1 in a year. If they fall off after a week or 2, those aren't hits to me. I also don't consider a song a hit simply because it debuted in the top 10, and I've considered songs that never reached the top 10 hits because they spent a lot of time in the top 20/top 30 of the Hot 100. Having some longevity in the top 40 of the Hot 100 is the fastest way for me to recognize a song as a hit. That's why, for instance, despite Drake scoring 19 top 10 hits so far this decade, I only consider about 8 of them actual hits. He has some songs that never reached the top 10 which I also consider hits like You're Mines Still w/ Yung Bleu & Chicago Freestyle w/ Giveon but that's about it. I just feel like it's irresponsible to call a song a hit simply because of where it debuted/peaked and not consider it's long-term chart performance, even if that didn't result in it having a high peak. The chart performance of multiple songs released in 2020 solidified that for me.
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Post by Choco on Mar 18, 2022 7:47:28 GMT -5
Radio dropping TJaTQ sealed it's fate and it stopped gaining as soon as week 1 was over. There's no path for a 2022 Ed Sheeran song to be a hit without radio. There's no correlation with Camila's single. TJaTQ being a terrible choice for a single notwithstanding, when are we going to admit that Taylor simply no longer possesses any powers on the Hot 100 with regards to scoring hits? Yes, she'll still score multiple Hot 100 debuts from album bombs, but the last time she scored an actual hit was with LWYMMD off reputation. Every attempt at scoring a hit since then has fallen flat (and not for a lack of trying). Ed should be fine. He's still got some top 10 hits in his future. He should probably just stay away from pointless collaborations moving forward. She's certainly more of an album artist these days. Delicate and YNTCD did perform well on radio though. The latter is one of her biggest HAC hits yet, weirdly enough. All 3 of her #1 hits in recent years were shortlived... ATW might be remembered down the road though. |
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Post by Groovy on Mar 18, 2022 9:45:35 GMT -5
Personally, I don't mind either Ed Sheeran song being in the top 10 but I would love to see Overpass Graffiti get a run on radio.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Mar 18, 2022 10:41:16 GMT -5
kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates | « 2022 » / « 03 » / « 18 »
1(=) Glass Animals - Heat Waves 89.69(+0.26)
2(=) The Kid Laroi & Justin Bieber - Stay 81.67(-0.27)
3(=) Lil Nas X - THATS WHAT I WANT 80.43(+0.14)
4(+1) Justin Bieber - Ghost 78.05(-0.03)
5(-1) GAYLE - abcdefu (feat. Royal & the Serpent) 77.39(-0.83)
6(=) Doja Cat - Woman 67.77(+1.58)
7(=) Adele - Easy On Me 64.70(-1.27)
8(=) Latto - Big Energy 62.54(+0.55)
9(=) Doja Cat - Need To Know 57.14(-0.24)
10(+1) Imagine Dragons - Enemy From League Of Legends 56.88(+1.51)
14(+1) Cody Johnson - 'Til You Can't 44.88(+0.65) 24(=) Dierks Bentley, Breland, Hardy - Beers On Me 35.85(+0.72)
55(+8) Megan Thee Stallion & Dua Lipa - Sweetest Pie 22.66(+3.14)
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Mar 18, 2022 12:57:59 GMT -5
All 3 of her #1 hits in recent years were shortlived... ATW might be remembered down the road though. and I think it'll be remembered more as a 2012 song, than 2021's. |
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Post by atg on Mar 18, 2022 13:10:25 GMT -5
What if ATW makes the year end list wouldn’t that change the way that its seen as its one of the 100 “biggest hits” of the year? A hit can mean many different things and it doesn’t always relate to a top 40 peak or how many weeks it has spent on the chart. I’m pretty sure a song that had a cultural stance like Through The Wire by Kanye or lovely by Billie Ellish feels like much bigger songs compared to all the 1 week #1s in 2020.
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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Mar 18, 2022 13:16:23 GMT -5
HITS' Song Revenue chart estimated that Handsomer managed 8.9k digital sales, which would be the now low for a #1 in Digital Song Sales. When's bts releasing their next 10+ week sales #1? After Stay returns to #1 on the Hot 100. Then, BTS and Megan will release a collab that spends its first 8 weeks at #1 on the Hot 100. |
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