Dylan :)
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Post by Dylan :) on Sept 28, 2024 10:33:08 GMT -5
Ignore the content of the tweet, the video itself is so true
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Ty
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Post by Ty on Sept 28, 2024 10:34:19 GMT -5
Solid performance. I don't like it as much as the VMA. The segment with Tina Arena stood out as really awkward and forced. However, "Lifetimes" once again sounds amazing amongst her greatest hit, like another multi-week global #1 smash from 2010.
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Carlitoz
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Post by Carlitoz on Sept 28, 2024 11:20:05 GMT -5
What are the expectations for the album’s second week? To plummet or to stay somewhere in the upper part of the charts? All the curiosity streams I guess already happened. Will the fans of the album be enough to keep it high in the charts? I still haven’t listened to the album and still don’t feel the urge to, but sooner or later I will I’m sure.
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Carlitoz
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Post by Carlitoz on Sept 28, 2024 11:44:38 GMT -5
Like her or not, I think nobody can deny the woman is working her ass off promoting this album. I lost count of all the interviews and big-event live shows plus videos, etc. Now this live show in Australia… the sports fans in the lower seat you can tell they were having A BLAST…. not. 🤣
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Coco
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Post by Coco on Sept 28, 2024 12:14:27 GMT -5
That was a cute performance I'm most impressed at her balance on that floating device. Had me nervous she was gonna topple over and people falling is funny 🤣
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Post by Maximillian on Sept 28, 2024 12:42:34 GMT -5
I’ve held off on sharing my thoughts about this album, but it’s honestly been the biggest disappointment for me this year. Despite the mess of “Woman’s World” and the controversy with Dr. Luke, I kept my hopes high, thinking, “It’s Katy Perry! There must be some bops on here.”
Here are my quick thoughts:
1) Katy feels disconnected from her own music. It’s like she’s barely present. The heavy use of auto-tune strips away any personality or soul, making this album indistinguishable from something a generic pop star could release. This is a far cry from anything she’s done before— even Witness had personality and that unique quirky Katy brand attached to it.
2) The featured artists outshine Katy. That’s a big problem. “I’m His, He’s Mine” should have been a Doechii song with Katy as the feature. Kim Petras overshadows Katy on “Gorgeous,” and even 21 Savage’s half-hearted verse on “Gimme Gimme” is more memorable than the rest of the song.
3) The production and lyrics feel basic. It’s the kind of work you’d expect from an emerging pop star, not someone with Katy’s immense resources. People have compared the sound to AI, and I agree—it’s cold, dated, and forgettable. I’ve listened to the album five times, and I still can’t remember most of the tracks or distinguish them from each other.
Overall, you have to wonder: where did this go wrong?
It seems like Katy, despite being incredibly talented and successful, might be her own worst enemy when it comes to making creative decisions. I doubt her label challenges her, and she likely has full creative control. But not every artist makes the best decisions, and just because she has some of the biggest hits in the world, doesn't mean she is a savvy business person. She either needs to relinquish some of that creative power to better decision-makers or stop chasing Top 100 hits altogether. She also might need to shake up her inner circle and find some people that aren't "yes men" types, and maybe get out in the real world a little bit more. This albums theme is female empowerment, yet it wreaks of her not knowing who she is anymore outside of being a pop star and mother.
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Post by popwizard on Sept 28, 2024 17:22:56 GMT -5
I’ve held off on sharing my thoughts about this album, but it’s honestly been the biggest disappointment for me this year. Despite the mess of “Woman’s World” and the controversy with Dr. Luke, I kept my hopes high, thinking, “It’s Katy Perry! There must be some bops on here.” Here are my quick thoughts: 1) Katy feels disconnected from her own music. It’s like she’s barely present. The heavy use of auto-tune strips away any personality or soul, making this album indistinguishable from something a generic pop star could release. This is a far cry from anything she’s done before— even Witness had personality and that unique quirky Katy brand attached to it. 2) The featured artists outshine Katy. That’s a big problem. “I’m His, He’s Mine” should have been a Doechii song with Katy as the feature. Kim Petras overshadows Katy on “Gorgeous,” and even 21 Savage’s half-hearted verse on “Gimme Gimme” is more memorable than the rest of the song. 3) The production and lyrics feel basic. It’s the kind of work you’d expect from an emerging pop star, not someone with Katy’s immense resources. People have compared the sound to AI, and I agree—it’s cold, dated, and forgettable. I’ve listened to the album five times, and I still can’t remember most of the tracks or distinguish them from each other. Overall, you have to wonder: where did this go wrong?It seems like Katy, despite being incredibly talented and successful, might be her own worst enemy when it comes to making creative decisions. I doubt her label challenges her, and she likely has full creative control. But not every artist makes the best decisions, and just because she has some of the biggest hits in the world, doesn't mean she is a savvy business person. She either needs to relinquish some of that creative power to better decision-makers or stop chasing Top 100 hits altogether. She also might need to shake up her inner circle and find some people that aren't "yes men" types, and maybe get out in the real world a little bit more. This albums theme is female empowerment, yet it wreaks of her not knowing who she is anymore outside of being a pop star and mother. Well said, especially regarding the features—Doechii makes I'm His, He's Mine. The production even sounds better during her verses, and she brings the song to life in the video. The same goes for Gorgeous, and to a lesser extent, Gimme Gimme. This is unlike her previous hit features, where the feature was just the feature and not the main act. She can’t seem to hold her own in her own songs anymore. It’s giving Camila Cabello, who also gets lost in her own songs on C,XOXO, but at least that project was more ambitious.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Sept 28, 2024 20:01:58 GMT -5
Ignore the content of the tweet, the video itself is so true It's baffling to me how so many people supposedly well-versed in the music industry miss the clear as day nuance in this whole Luke situation in terms of audience when comparing Katy to other artists working with him and public reactions there. Public reaction to perceived "scandal" always relates to the audience in question and no one ever touches on this while being "shocked" the response with Katy was so harsh. There is a reason Ashlee Simpson's career was ruined for lip-synching, yet Morgan Wallen is bigger than ever after publicly being caught using racial epithets/slurs. There's a reason Chris Brown still has success outside of pop radio after attacking Rihanna but the pop side of his career never recovered. There's a reason Nicki Minaj can marry a rapist and can help bully a rape victim and still have a successful career. There is a reason the Dixie Chicks' career was ruined after their comments on then President Bush. Audiences of different genres forgive, overlook, and accept different things and pop audiences, especially "woke" pop audiences are notoriously much less forgiving of mistakes and scandals in general. The bar is different. All the artists he mentioned alongside Katy, a predominantly pop artist, are artists who are Rhythmic, Urban, and even Country artists with all differing audiences than hers. Katy was held to the fire much worse than Doja or Nicki Minaj, or Latto, or Morgan Wallen because of her primary audience. Pure and simple. It also didn't help that she wasn't under contract so she didn't get the same pass from some people that Doja got (not to mention Doja spoke out against the situation). Now, does that make the whole situation "fair"? Of course not. But it is certainly a reality. It also hurt Katy that prior to the scandal she already wasn't in the best place with the public since the whole Witness debacle. I mean this has all been discussed to hell and back and I still don't see how people are so blind to why it played out as it did. "The perfect storm" (a unique, almost destined series of events aligning to some ultimate outcome) is related to success just as much as it's related to a downfall and why many keep overlooking the super relevant nuances in this whole situation is beyond me.
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