Katy Perry – “143” coming to slay/ "The LIFETIMES Tour"

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Sept 29, 2024 13:23:55 GMT -5 Dylan :) said:

People are reaching at this point to explain something that should be perfectly understood. I haven't seen one critic or even individual online criticizing Katy's age in terms of backlash. It's all been centered around the quality of the material or lack thereof and Dr. Luke with a sprinkling of her being "cringy". It's like some people are trying to erase every and any bit of personal accountability Katy had in this backlash away for some odd reason, as if all of it were completely unjustified and it all spontaneously happened for no reason. lol

[zdm1998]

2k below “Smile” in the middle of a hate train?

This is a huge success for her. Im sure she was hoping to have a relaunch and get to #1; but unfortunately the material just wasn’t there, and the route she went which soured her to the general public. But given all that, a peak at #6 is very good considering all that has happened since WW was released.

[Ty]

A top-6 debut is a pleasant surprise. Pretty sure early predictions were say #8 or #9 if I'm not mistaken. The hate she's gotten from critics for this album is overdone and it seems like it has backfired. I saw a chain of comments defending her under the comment section of a very mean-spirited review of 143 published by The New Yorker. I won't be surprised that a part of the first week streams were curiosity spins driven by those harsh reviews.

[wavey.]

Let's go sista!

[Maximillian]

Sept 29, 2024 16:09:49 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

Sept 29, 2024 13:23:55 GMT -5 Dylan :) said:

People are reaching at this point to explain something that should be perfectly understood. I haven't seen one critic or even individual online criticizing Katy's age in terms of backlash. It's all been centered around the quality of the material or lack thereof and Dr. Luke with a sprinkling of her being "cringy". It's like some people are trying to erase every and any bit of personal accountability Katy had in this backlash away for some odd reason, as if all of it were completely unjustified and it all spontaneously happened for no reason. lol

Exactly. And any reviewer that’s confused just needs to simply open up any of Katy’s comment section on any of her socials and read them for a moment. There is no confusion.

TBH Katy has given a lot this era. Looks, budget, body. The only thing she didn’t give was a good album or accountability. 🫢

[wjr15]

Demand down under:

Added a show in Adelaide

https://www.instagram.com/p/DAg7zrqz9Dk

[👑 Eloquent ™]

The Guardian released an article about her AFL performance. I'm guessing it's like their Superbowl?:

amp.theguardian.com/sport/2024/sep/28/katy-perry-afl-grand-final-pregame-show-review-big-hits-dominate-uneventful-set

It was smart of Katy to reportedly ban journalists in Australia from asking about the response to 143 and for her to sign on for the AFL event not only for the $5 million check, but to lift her spirits by playing that show and Rock In Rio within days of eachother to boost her confidence (which likely took a hit). I'd do the exact same damn thing tbh. I do wish she would face criticism head on though or at least heed it to better herself. This whole ignore and move along isn't benefiting her in the long run in terms of growth or her career.

I also wonder when dates for the US go on sale for her tour.

[shakemaki]

Sept 29, 2024 14:52:47 GMT -5 Love Plastic Love said:

Sept 29, 2024 13:26:19 GMT -5 shakemaki said:

I think people forget how instrumental HnC’s success was for her success. IKAG very much felt like the epitome of one of those novelty one hit wonder hits, and I remember plenty of people suspecting that’s what would happen at the time. HnC is what actually proved she could be a big new pop star who wasn’t going anywhere, not IKAG.

I'd throw Waking Up in Vegas in there as well. IKAG felt very, very one hit wonder-ish. HnC and WUIV really sealed that she was not a one hit wonder. It also set the tone for Teenage Dream in a lot of ways.


I have a vague memory of the WUIV times where there was another song that most people thought was better, but WUIV overshadowed it and shot to #1 and I was like, yeah its peppy and fun and refreshing sounding. I cannot for the LIFE of me remember what that other song was or if it was an actual competition between the two, or just fans being weird lmao. I may try to look up what else was charting when WUIV went #1.

Agree with this, and pretty sure you’re thinking of If You Can Afford Me. I seem to recall the hype bandwagon for that one during the OOTB era, but I always thought WUIV was absolutely the better choice between the two.

EDIT: nvm, realized you were talking about a single by another artist that was charting at the time. Hmm, maybe If U Seek Amy? Us gays were dead set on that being a smash #1 and then it very much wasn’t lol.

[Coco Yu'Kneek- Saint]

Obviously doesn't need to be said that I don't get to decide what is to be talked about so everyone do as you please but my two cents this constantly circling back to Katy and Luke is being redundant. We've discussed it ad nauseum. What else is there to be said.  Was it wrong yes can we move in PLEASE. We literally have Morgan Whalen be racist and thriving and we have literal sexual abusers running around. In grande scheme if things outside of being torn deaf what is her crime. .. expecially after being dragged months now for the same shit. At some point it crosses from being right and information to agenda when it's daily

[👑 Eloquent ™]

🎶

What you tryna do? Baby, lock in
We could get it in, you could bring a friend
Hoes so pressed when I step in the spot
I'm so possessive and up' echelon
Upper echelon rollin' up in the shade
If you try to vibe with him, might catch a fade
I be so aggressive and narci-nissistic
You know I'ma slide on a ho 'bout a big dick
Baby, we good

I'm his queen, I'm his freak
I'm every woman he wants and needs
I'm his dream, I'm his drug
I'm every woman he wants, so what?
I'm his boss, I'm that bitch
I'm every woman he knows exists (Yeah)
I'm his main, I'm his side
I'm every woman that's in his mind


La da dee la da da

🎶

BOP. This has been my lil anthem lately!

[Ivy Leegue™]

I don't know. If Morgan Wallen can continue to be labeled as a racist solely for being caught on camera over 3 years ago for calling his white friend the N word, I think discussing how Katy Perry continues to blithely side-step and evade the Dr. Luke controversy, during an era for which the album in question is only 10 days old, is par for the course. Maybe it's just me, though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

In other news, I had no idea that Katy was so popular in Oz! Also, she is smart to continue to promote and not just let the album die. Particularly, booking all these live shows and a tour was a smart idea, to show people that Katy is a solid performer. Looks like this era is not a complete failure after all.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Sept 30, 2024 10:17:04 GMT -5 Ivy Leegue™ said:

I don't know. If Morgan Wallen can continue to be labeled as a racist for being caught on camera over 3 years ago for calling his white friend the N word, I think discussing how Katy Perry continues to blithely side-step and evade the Dr. Luke controversy, during an era for which the album in question is only 10 days old, is par for the course. Maybe it's just me, though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

In other news, I had no idea that Katy was so popular in Oz! Also, she is smart to continue to promote and not just let the album die. Particularly, booking all these live shows and a tour was a smart idea, to show people that Katy is a solid performer. Looks like this era is not a complete failure after all.

Voice of reason and agreed on all points. Her performances lately have been all pretty great, beginning with the VMA slot! She's definitely turning things out despite it all! It must be said that she's looking fantastic as well! Better than ever tbh. Her style has evolved so much and the new sleek, contemporary look really suits her as opposed to her typically more...avantgarde playful style where she's walking around as a giant milkshake or something. lol

[spiritboy]

I don’t think age is the problem here as nobody is calling Kate a grandma the way they called Madonna when she was 35.

[Ty]

[wjr15]

The horse is dead and decaying at this point.

[HEADOFTHEPACK]

Sept 29, 2024 16:09:49 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

Sept 29, 2024 13:23:55 GMT -5 Dylan :) said:

People are reaching at this point to explain something that should be perfectly understood. I haven't seen one critic or even individual online criticizing Katy's age in terms of backlash. It's all been centered around the quality of the material or lack thereof and Dr. Luke with a sprinkling of her being "cringy". It's like some people are trying to erase every and any bit of personal accountability Katy had in this backlash away for some odd reason, as if all of it were completely unjustified and it all spontaneously happened for no reason. lol

Yeah sorry, misogyny and ageism are very real but so is making shit music and being completely tone deaf. Just call a spade a fucking spade. While the radio comment is valid, not sure how bringing in Kylie's biggest hit in years (and a Grammy winner) really helps the point being made.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Just to add everyone realizes it takes "two to tango", so to speak? If you don't want to partake in a conversation, don't. But on a public forum, you don't get to dictate what others talk about so long as it isn't breaking rules and is on topic (and a forum moderator already weighed in on this which people seem to be disrespectfully ignoring). The last few posts weren't even about the Luke situation itself but was about people discussing the situation. lol Everyone who makes comments remarks defending Katy's actions in the situation only rehash and act to bring up the argument all over again too btw which is the only reason the discussion made it onto now this page (but no one complains about posts like that in this thread because it paints Katy in the most flattering light). So if people want the topic deaded stop referencing it altogether and also stop responding or commenting or referring to when people bring it up and it will stop. Do people not realize engaging in any form only keeps the conversation circling, but yet they keep engaging only to complain? If people are posting articles discussing or making comments in defense of the Luke situation what are we expecting to take place in the posts afterward exactly? Also, conversation about Luke isn't "out of place" when he produced the majority of the album titled in the header of this thread. lol

[popwizard]

I feel like I’m beating a dead horse at this point, but the album is already #74 on iTunes. I think her team is playing it safe and cautious with the tour by only announcing Australian dates (where I’m assuming she has a strong market based on streaming or sales).

Her KatyCats essentially provided all her first-week sales from pure sales, and this album has gotten a lot more attention and promotion (press, performances) than Smile, even though she didn’t hit the typical TV interview circuit. Smile was released in a pandemic year, so for this album to basically flatline in comparison (sales are basically the same) is interesting. I just think this is all fascinating from a pop culture perspective.

However, I thought her career would be completely over and the numbers would show that, but she’s like Camila—perhaps Demi Lovato-level pop star now (Camila had 38k first week).

Her tour sales in the U.S. and other markets will be telling if she’s a true legacy act like Justin, who has lower album sales but still sells out arenas.

She’s not as big of a flop as JLo, though, who debuted in the low Top 40s and had to scrap her tour.

[wjr15]

My contribution to this thread <3

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DAiXcA6q1dj

[Coco Yu'Kneek- Saint]

Sept 30, 2024 10:45:41 GMT -5 wjr15 said:

The horse is dead and decaying at this point.

Beyond dead it needs moderation badly.

[wavey.]

Momma working!

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Katy rocks the wet hair really well! Love the look. Also, Kim Petras with darker hair is a vibe. Shame they missed the perfect opportunity to pair "Gorgeous" with that clip tho.

[wavey.]

http://instagram.com/p/DAjdQW8qi5D

[Choco]

That's probably the best look Kim has ever served that I know of. Katy on the other hand, nothing new: her looks have been stellar all the era, and one of the few things I think was executed flawlessly.

[Ivy Leegue™]

LOL this thread (and the interactions within) are beyond cute! Best thread of the year!

[Ryan]

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

This is the first time since March 2015 that Katy has multiple albums in the top 100 of the Billboard 200 chart:

03/07/2015 (2 weeks after the SB)

Prism #43
Teenage Dream #90

[Ty]

The definition of her career:

[👑 Eloquent ™]

"Never Really Over" is that bi**. It was the last song that was on the level of the Teenage Dream singles for me! Even the video's aesthetic was great too!

[schnetzka]

How "Never Really Over" only made it to #15 on Billboard will forever be a shock to me.