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Post by Love Plastic Love on Sept 4, 2024 13:43:34 GMT -5
I wish more than anything else she would stop saying this is about female empowerment and being a "matriarch" and girl power. The optics scream the opposite and it all feels extremely shallow and like a 1990s version of feminism or unironically trying to declare yourself a "girl boss."
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Post by ObhiDonna on Sept 4, 2024 14:17:20 GMT -5
I think I’d have more respect for her if she actually told the truth - she wanted a hit and ran back to Le Puke thinking he’d give her one.
The way she describes this album is nothing like the basic soulless lyrics from the songs that have been released and teased so far
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Post by Envoirment on Sept 4, 2024 14:23:49 GMT -5
Lol this is a mess. Not 1 thing has gone right so far this era. Was so hyped for it and whilst I'm sure the album will have bops (really like "LIFETIMES" & various snippets I've heard so far!) it's faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar from the comeback it was being hyped/framed up to be.
It's just disappointing.
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Post by wavey. on Sept 4, 2024 14:43:55 GMT -5
Of course they always promote the topic ppl wanted to "see" to cause more mess and nitpick.
But yeah, the full interview is out.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Sept 4, 2024 15:08:49 GMT -5
Lol this is a mess. Not 1 thing has gone right so far this era. Was so hyped for it and whilst I'm sure the album will have bops (really like "LIFETIMES" & various snippets I've heard so far!) it's faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar from the comeback it was being hyped/framed up to be. It's just disappointing. I’d say the photoshoot and aesthetic for the album has been on point, her best really. But everything else lol. She’s not going to come totally clean 2 weeks before the album release. It will happen down the road.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Sept 4, 2024 16:19:39 GMT -5
I don't get why Nicki, Latto or Doja didn't get asked the same questions though.
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Post by Ivy Leegue™ on Sept 4, 2024 16:23:55 GMT -5
Not this again. Doja and Kim Petras have been pummeled online about their work with Dr. Luke and both have responded in kind. Nicki...well...given her defensiveness, I don't see the point of even asking because...what do you expect for an answer. As for Latto...lol, she is a non-factor.
I might watch the Call Me Daddy thing, but that woman comes across as an enabler, based on the people she has interviewed before and is not going to really challenge anyone, so I consider her interviews fluff pieces.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Sept 4, 2024 16:25:31 GMT -5
Not this again. Doja and Kim Petras have been pummeled online about their work with Dr. Luke and both have responded in kind. Can you point me to their responses? I'd like to see how they differ from Katy's.
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Post by Ivy Leegue™ on Sept 4, 2024 16:42:36 GMT -5
Nah, the Internet exists for a reason.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Sept 4, 2024 16:52:27 GMT -5
Nicki and Doja don't have the same audiences who hold them to the same standards first of all and second of all Katy isn't under contract with Luke like Kim and Doja are/were: she hand-picked Luke to work with. The "woke" crowd Katy typically attracts isn't going to be expecting any better from Nicki Minaj who is literally married to a rapist, lbr, but they aren't going to accept their fav pop female act to cosign a rapist. It just isn't happening.
I think people had a preconceived notion of who they assumed Katy Perry was based off her image and presentation throughout Teenage Dream and the first half of Prism, but as Katy said it was an exaggerated character she created and so as she started to reveal who she authentically was (Katherine Hudson) her quirkiness, cringiness, and millenial-coded nature turned a lot of younger audiences off completely. Add that to the fact she's a bit tone-deaf, unapologetic, and scandal-prone and one can easily understand why the tide has turned and non-responses like she gave in that podcast are certainly only going to turn people off even further in a climate where the celebrity in general is declining and people are requiring honesty and accountability first and foremost. She's not only damaging this era , but her name at this point.
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Post by Dylan :) on Sept 4, 2024 17:01:05 GMT -5
I wonder if she had released everything the exact same as she has so far, but without any Luke involvement, would she be doing any better than she's doing now? I think it would be as *crickets* as Smile was
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Post by The First Lady Of Coco on Sept 4, 2024 17:35:47 GMT -5
Her lack of accountability is staggering. Her ability to talk in circles saying nothing is just like the lyrics to this song. Empty and hollow. I forgot about this whole thing but that gutless quote going around social media got me hot again.
Her arrogance in this situation is going to be her permanent downfall
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Sept 4, 2024 17:54:00 GMT -5
the whole interview was great until the last minute. It was a cop-out, but the other 56 minutes were great and I'm not going to dismiss that. It is what it is. She'll come clean eventually.
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Post by wjr15 on Sept 4, 2024 17:58:03 GMT -5
People were dragging Katy for saying nothing. People are dragging Katy for how she responded, and let’s be real, people were gonna drag Katy no matter how she responded to it. At least she kept her response professional. When it comes to this Dr Luke thing that she got herself into, she’s in a “dammed if you do, damned if you don’t” situation.
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Post by The First Lady Of Coco on Sept 4, 2024 18:08:15 GMT -5
This is honestly the humbleness and accountability I wanted to see if she can't give it then yes she was better off being silent katy is not even acknowledging ehat he did and the severity of the charges she is always talking as if she takes it lightly
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Post by wavey. on Sept 4, 2024 18:58:54 GMT -5
People were dragging Katy for saying nothing. People are dragging Katy for how she responded, and let’s be real, people were gonna drag Katy no matter how she responded to it. At least she kept her response professional. When it comes to this Dr Luke thing that she got herself into, she’s in a “dammed if you do, damned if you don’t” situation. Right. And it's ridiculous. NO ONE knows what went on behind the scenes, but she gets all this blame over allegations that she had nothing to do with. Imo, she just seems wayy happier than she was with "Witness" and "SMILE". I haven't seen her do media promo like this before.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Sept 4, 2024 19:10:31 GMT -5
People were dragging Katy for saying nothing. People are dragging Katy for how she responded, and let’s be real, people were gonna drag Katy no matter how she responded to it. At least she kept her response professional. When it comes to this Dr Luke thing that she got herself into, she’s in a “dammed if you do, damned if you don’t” situation. Right. And it's ridiculous. NO ONE knows what went on behind the scenes, but she gets all this blame over allegations that she had nothing to do with. Imo, she just seems wayy happier than she was with "Witness" and "SMILE". I haven't seen her do media promo like this before. yea it's beyond "over the top" hate at this point. She should say something regardless, but a lot of it is just venomous hatred towards Katy herself. 2013 really did a number on people. Woman's World is not that bad. Lifetimes is no worse than Swish Swish or Bon Appetit. That's all I've heard so I don't know.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Sept 4, 2024 19:16:53 GMT -5
People were dragging Katy for saying nothing. People are dragging Katy for how she responded, and let’s be real, people were gonna drag Katy no matter how she responded to it. At least she kept her response professional. When it comes to this Dr Luke thing that she got herself into, she’s in a “dammed if you do, damned if you don’t” situation. Right. And it's ridiculous. NO ONE knows what went on behind the scenes, but she gets all this blame over allegations. Can we just be real for a minute? I mean I understand y'all love Katy regardless of any and everything she could possibly do or say, but Katy isn't being "picked on" or unjustly criticized. Katy brought every single ounce of this backlash onto herself. She's being held accountable and facing understandable backlash for her own poor decisions, lack of empathy, and subsequent lack of accountability for those decisions on top of her flippant attitude and tone-deaf approach while proclaiming to be so pro-woman/feministic etc. Her and her decisions have warranted criticism and she's only made it worse with her lack of response or vague, non-response response. It's not true at all she would've been "damned if she did, damned if she didn't" for the most part. Maybe in the eyes of some, but for most everyone else I think people just were wanting her to actually acknowledge the situation at hand, take some accountability in her choices, and either stand firmly by those choices or apologize, but either way specifically elaborate on why she chose to go with Luke specifically during a supposed whole pro-woman era considering his reputation and the many accusations women have made against him. On a side note the way some have framed Kesha's story in particular throughout this whole ordeal makes me uncomfortable as it just inherently feels victim blamey to me.
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Post by Ivy Leegue™ on Sept 4, 2024 20:16:18 GMT -5
Damn, I honestly didn't know Dr. Luke had this kind of support!
I wonder how much Katy will open with? I'm thinking 75k.
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on Sept 4, 2024 20:37:03 GMT -5
^ yeah it's gonna be low. And 100% agree w Eloquent.
'Best case', she's saying she doesn't care about the allegations and/or doesn't believe they happened. Worst case, she's an enabler. Neither are good.
Her answer is vague and deflective nonsense. She's basically saying... yes, I understand people are talking about it, but just so we're clear, it was my decision and I am a woman. Yeah OK?
She is not being blamed for the allegations at all. She is rightfully being criticized for deciding to work with someone who has been described as unpleasant to work with/accused of sexual abuse and just shrugging it off when she's asked about it. There's no way to frame that as over the top or ridiculous, sorry!
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Post by Maximillian on Sept 4, 2024 21:42:02 GMT -5
Where there’s smoke, there is fire. There’s a ton of smoke around Luke.
Luke has been spoken about by others in a negative light, and as for Kesha, she risked her career, reputation and her entire net worth to fight for her ability to speak out. Remember, she went broke over this, royalties withheld, years of albums held back. She knew her risks coming forward, and she put it all on the line.
So yes. They are allegations, but sexual abuse cases are notoriously hard to prove. However, when somebody risks literally **everything** they have, it makes you more inclined to listen to what they have to say.
And anyways…
As for opening numbers, I am thinking 65-75k. If this broke 100k, that would be a win in the books at this point.
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Post by Dammn Baby on Sept 4, 2024 21:47:00 GMT -5
This is going to open with under 50k. She has no hit, no radio support and the lead single struggled to get to 30M streams. A complete Nelly Furtado-style collapse is possible.
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Post by popwilsonbee on Sept 4, 2024 21:47:46 GMT -5
Not this again. Doja and Kim Petras have been pummeled online about their work with Dr. Luke and both have responded in kind. Nicki...well...given her defensiveness, I don't see the point of even asking because...what do you expect for an answer. As for Latto...lol, she is a non-factor. I might watch the Call Me Daddy thing, but that woman comes across as an enabler, based on the people she has interviewed before and is not going to really challenge anyone, so I consider her interviews fluff pieces. Enabler of what? She’s not a journalist, it’s a podcast convo not sure the best place to push back. Heck even journalists don’t push back bc they are only there to ask questions already agreed to. I do agree the criticism is fair. KP chose to work with this disgusting man. I also find her take on fem so superficial. She has no depth. Maybe you can argue she never did but you’d think being a mom and going through such a life change would add some character. I see she’s going to blame the rightful criticism on being a “woman” like another weak female pop star.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Sept 4, 2024 23:00:43 GMT -5
If the peformance of its first few releases are any indication I'm thinking it's opening even lower than what has been suggested. Smile opened with around 50k years ago with much better optics. I'm thinking around 25k.
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Post by Mike on Sept 4, 2024 23:41:59 GMT -5
I'm thinking between 25K-40K (on the optimistic end). There will certainly be curiosity streams and at the end of the day... Press is press regardless of connotation and she definitely has more discourse this time around compared to "Smile."
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Post by ObhiDonna on Sept 5, 2024 0:52:13 GMT -5
Well she might still surprise us and do around 90k, but then freefall basically.
Prior to this interview, I just wanted to know what was stopping her from going berserk on Luke completely. She knew and read the reception that she was getting on this project, might as well go nuclear. But now we know for sure, its her own doing.
Katy is going to have a hard time ahead getting into good graces in terms of her image and a personality display. She will possibly remain in people’s mind as the “singer who worked with Luke” because of how famous she is, until she is the one taking control to change this narrative.
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 5, 2024 1:34:24 GMT -5
Full album credits are out; Max Martin has only one credit, it's still a Puke co-production, and it's the Kim Petras collab. Max will not be Katy's saviour here.
'Wonder' is literally the only song without Puke's involvement. This is her only hope. But given the songs they're teasing it will probably never be in the running to be a single and the album's prospects will have been so thoroughly tanked that nobody will care enough to force the label's hand into releasing it as a single. Mind you, we haven't even heard a lick of the song to know if it's even any good, but still.
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Post by ObhiDonna on Sept 5, 2024 3:10:29 GMT -5
Right. And it's ridiculous. NO ONE knows what went on behind the scenes, but she gets all this blame over allegations that she had nothing to do with. Imo, she just seems wayy happier than she was with "Witness" and "SMILE". I haven't seen her do media promo like this before. yea it's beyond "over the top" hate at this point. She should say something regardless, but a lot of it is just venomous hatred towards Katy herself. 2013 really did a number on people. Woman's World is not that bad. Lifetimes is no worse than Swish Swish or Bon Appetit. That's all I've heard so I don't know. SPREE, I wouldn’t say expecting and hoping that Katy takes accountability and doesn’t double down on her decision to work with Dr Luke, against the negative reception she’s facing - is “over the top” hate. I don’t think the public, fans, pulse/other forum users are hating her just because of it. I personally am irritated by her choices and decisioning this era and want that to change, so are most of the users here.
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Post by bat1990 on Sept 5, 2024 7:44:09 GMT -5
Even if the Dr. Luke involvement wasn't tainting this album cycle, the vibe of this era is giving "I'm still hot, youthful, and down with the kids, even though I'm a mom pushing 40 but I'm actually desperate for a hit and relevance" that Cheryl gave not long ago. This is going to open with under 50k. She has no hit, no radio support and the lead single struggled to get to 30M streams. A complete Nelly Furtado-style collapse is possible. The irony that Nelly Furtado is releasing her first album in eight years on the same day.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Sept 5, 2024 8:09:08 GMT -5
Nah, the Internet exists for a reason. Why so bitchy though?
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