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Post by phieaglesfan712 on Sept 2, 2022 11:32:43 GMT -5
Sales are an outdated metric, which artists and fanbases are taking advantage of to manipulate the charts. We have seen this the past few weeks with songs like Super Freaky Girl and Hold Me Closer. This tracking week, it has gone too far with Kate Bushβs team releasing a CD single of RUTH and discounting several versions of the song on iTunes, and Harry responding by releasing an instrumental of Late Night Talking to coincide with the shipping of the physical single.
Is it time for Billboard to crack down on this and remove all sales from counting towards the Hot 100?
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Post by Daenerys on Sept 2, 2022 11:37:23 GMT -5
I disagree.
Sales are a direct component of consumer engagement, it doesn't make sense to remove something that directly links to the popularity of demand from the consumer of music. In a truly consumer focused market streaming and sales should be all that matters when it comes to music popularity and consumption. If you look at most other nations and countries and their charts (e.g. U.K., Australia, Japan, Germany, France) all they care about is sales and streams.
If fans want to buy copies, they will buy them, it's no different from fans streaming songs all day to get their favorite artist to chart better. Or fans buying tickets to every concert in different cities their favorite artist performs at. That's entirely their right, to use their time and money the way they like.
If anything you could argue based on other nations models, it's actually radio which should weigh less.
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Post by Β€ Matthea Β€ on Sept 2, 2022 12:56:53 GMT -5
No, Billboard should remove radio from the HOT 100 formula.
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Post by Nasarati on Sept 2, 2022 13:22:00 GMT -5
Does using sales as a chief Hot 100 metric make it easier for stan armies to juke the charts? Yes, of course, one hundred percent. That said, sales are still a FAR more democratic assessment of what's actually popular and what songs people are actually engaging with as opposed to radio, thus they deserve to have an impact of charts.
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Post by big2000 on Sept 2, 2022 18:00:50 GMT -5
I think sales should stay in the Hot 100 formula. All 3 metrics play their part, and Billboard has changed the formula to make the chart as accurate as possible.
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Post by 70jack90 on Sept 3, 2022 7:12:23 GMT -5
Of course not.
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Post by M5AGTS on Sept 3, 2022 11:27:08 GMT -5
Bruh. Can people please stop saying -------- shouldn't be counted for the hot 100? It happens with all three metrics and it's really annoying. All three metrics play their parts, and they are all ways people consume music. Just because you don't consume music in that way doesn't mean it's not relevant.
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Post by Gary on Sept 3, 2022 11:29:58 GMT -5
I think sales will be removed from the formula when itunes collapses, amazon stops selling CDs and artist quit selling them on their websites.
This will only happen if people quit buying them
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Post by Nasarati on Sept 4, 2022 1:08:30 GMT -5
I think sales will be removed from the formula when itunes collapses, amazon stops selling CDs and artist quit selling them on their websites. This will only happen if people quit buying them You mention CDs, but that isn't even really the biggest medium for physical sales anymore. Vinyl is surging in popularity, and big vinyl releases have increasingly become big events on the album charts.
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Post by Gary on Sept 4, 2022 1:12:17 GMT -5
I think sales will be removed from the formula when itunes collapses, amazon stops selling CDs and artist quit selling them on their websites. This will only happen if people quit buying them You mention CDs, but that isn't even really the biggest medium for physical sales anymore. Vinyl is surging in popularity, and big vinyl releases have increasingly become big events on the album charts.Β Yes I said cds. But we are also talking about singles. Vinyl is surging in the album format
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No, Billboard should not stop counting and including sales. Perhaps they can be more strict about weeding out the obviously fraudulent army style buying of physical and digital singles and not including those.
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Post by Nasarati on Sept 4, 2022 14:43:04 GMT -5
Sales are actually kind of a fascinating metric, because they reveal depth of fanbase and fanbase passion. Casual fans will enjoy a song on the radio or even simply add it to their streaming playlist; nowadays, you have to be a pretty diehard fan to purchase music. So the artists that crush sales are generally the ones with the biggest cult of personality (Nicki, BTS, etc).
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Sales are actually kind of a fascinating metric, because they reveal depth of fanbase and fanbase passion. Casual fans will enjoy a song on the radio or even simply add it to their streaming playlist; nowadays, you have to be a pretty diehard fan to purchase music. So the artists that crush sales are generally the ones with the biggest cult of personality (Nicki, BTS, etc). And then we have the people who will enjoy the song while it is on one of those curated streaming playlists but won't bother to seek it out and it to their own playlist. I sometimes wonder if that is why some of these newer artists don't gain any sort of traction. People are so accustomed to having everything done for them. They are lazy.
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Post by Daenerys on Sept 5, 2022 15:52:01 GMT -5
Sales are actually kind of a fascinating metric. This is why I think its worth to still monitor it, it's worth it to measure how big of an impact an artist has in terms of "on the ground support" those acts have. These groups are probably the frontline demand of a lot of artists when it comes to a number of things, including concert sales, album sales, and merchandise sales along side song consumption of streaming and sales. It's something that labels probably value, want to understand, and is worth knowing to them.
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Post by nathanalbright on Sept 6, 2022 12:25:48 GMT -5
As long as there are sales to count, then sales should count.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Sept 6, 2022 12:51:40 GMT -5
Sales are actually kind of a fascinating metric, because they reveal depth of fanbase and fanbase passion. Casual fans will enjoy a song on the radio or even simply add it to their streaming playlist; nowadays, you have to be a pretty diehard fan to purchase music. So the artists that crush sales are generally the ones with the biggest cult of personality (Nicki, BTS, etc). And then we have the people who will enjoy the song while it is on one of those curated streaming playlists but won't bother to seek it out and it to their own playlist. I sometimes wonder if that is why some of these newer artists don't gain any sort of traction. People are so accustomed to having everything done for them. They are lazy. How much do curated playlist really factor into a song's streaming success? Like yes there are songs that do get exposure and streams but not every song on TTH or any other big Spotify curated playlist will be a smash hit.
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Post by jenglisbe on Sept 6, 2022 13:23:43 GMT -5
As long as there are sales to count, then sales should count. This
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