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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 12, 2022 19:40:03 GMT -5
But most people are expressing criticism over Taylor this week. Whatβs with the narrative that she isnβt receiving any? Are we just going to pretend everyone else donβt exist because it doesnβt suit the Taylor=devil scenario some of you are so desperately trying to push? Obviously thereβs going to be people defending her, just like there were people defending BTS, Rihanna, Beyonce, Bieber, Ariana, Mariah in her heyday, Gaga, Lil Nas X, and whoever. Fans defend their favs, sometimes blindly, whether itβs Taylor, Drake, Adele, Beyonce, whoever else. Weβre always going to see that.
Really it comes down to, if the exact same situation were happening that involved different artists, would you still feel the same? If not, then maybe youβre not looking at the situation through the right lens.
Also, whatβs with this suggestion that Swifties are βrepresentativeβ of Pulse and any detractors are not? Weβre all Pulse members here. Are they who we collectively view as the inner circle of Pulse and when they defend Taylorβs actions, that means βPulseβ is allowing its pop girls to get away with everything when itβs a few posters (who have likely explained why they feel the way they do anyway)?
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Post by pnobelysk on Nov 12, 2022 19:58:06 GMT -5
As someone who tries to still follow digital sales this is tremendous. Last year fancy like was the years biggest seller with about 600k (that includes sales from this year too). This year the leaders of the sales pack are around 225k (hard to have an exact number). Anti hero doing this in one week from a gimmick is insane.
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Post by edward on Nov 12, 2022 20:56:35 GMT -5
If it's BTS that blocked Drake with over 200k sales almost everyone would think it's unacceptable and Billboard should diminish the power of sales even further. But when it's Taylor it's "Well she's kinda manipulating the chart but good for her I guess." Releasing like 5 remix in a charting week just to secure a no.1 is ridiculous and if it works something has to be done.
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Nov 12, 2022 21:28:20 GMT -5
EVERYONE is saying lower salesβ power lol. If not remove em entirely.
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Post by recordyear on Nov 12, 2022 22:16:18 GMT -5
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Post by Fanstar1 on Nov 12, 2022 22:19:33 GMT -5
300k sales and over 100% gain wow
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Post by thegreatdivine on Nov 12, 2022 22:27:36 GMT -5
You'd think Drake actually tried to compete with Taylor for the #1 spot or it's a crime for anyone to release a new album 2 weeks after a new Taylor Swift album with tweets from stans like this lmao.
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Post by Fanstar1 on Nov 12, 2022 22:36:53 GMT -5
You'd think Drake actually tried to compete with Taylor for the #1 spot or it's a crime for anyone to release a new album 2 weeks after a new Taylor Swift album with tweets from stans like this lmao. "Use my name for a highlight" but like when?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2022 22:46:51 GMT -5
Welp. We have a clear winner. Drake wasn't even close
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Post by avavago on Nov 12, 2022 22:47:28 GMT -5
For reference, some of the past debut sales weeks of Swiftβs recent #1s:
βcardiganβ 71,000 (4? versions, along with physical singles) βwillowβ 59,000 (7 versions) βAll Too Well (Taylorβs Version)β 58,700 (5 versions)
βAnti-Heroβ ~300,000 (7? versions)
Also, based on these predictions the weight of sales would need to be reduced at least 65% for βRich Flexβ to be at #1 this week. I think it's more likely Billboard will adjust their rules regarding remixes. They seem to really like pure sales.
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Post by thyler on Nov 12, 2022 22:54:53 GMT -5
anti-hero's 723 points is just insane. all my opinions on the release of its five remixes/versions aside, it will surely lock for 2022 year-end if this chart year is 53 weeks long (the weekly totals would be 500 + 350 + 720 = 1570, putting it well above the locked zone and in the 80-90 range). even if it gains 60k points at the lowest, it would still be locked for 2022. if it is the first year for 2023's chart year, however, top 10/15 is pretty much on lock.
i guess that would make it the second song (if 2022 is 53 weeks) to make the year-end charts with less than 5 weeks of charting after Hello. (Hello was more insane it was locked the moment it debuted at #1 in November 2015)
anyway, does anyone have the biggest weekly point totals for the 2020s decade?
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Post by οΌ³ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½π€ο½ο½ on Nov 12, 2022 23:09:12 GMT -5
this is so....................unnecessary. I really don't know what else to say π€
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Post by 85la on Nov 12, 2022 23:27:00 GMT -5
I don't know, my intuition is that that number seems so anomalously high that it must be wrong. It didn't even open with 10% that number its first week, so how could it balloon up so high during its third week to rival some of her best-sellers in the heyday of digital sales, and what incentive did fans even have for buying so many copies? Simply to block Drake's first week at #1, when Anti-Hero already had two weeks and will likely return in succeeding weeks?
Like I said before though, if those numbers are real, they will 100% be closing this loophole. I think a fair rule change would be that remixes released later in the week would not count until the following week's chart.
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Post by pnobelysk on Nov 12, 2022 23:31:56 GMT -5
⦠if those numbers are true⦠I truly think Taylor could send a different song off her album to number one each week using this strategy
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Post by thegreatdivine on Nov 12, 2022 23:32:41 GMT -5
Speaking of Taylor Swift. Here's an overview of every top 10 hit she's scored every year since she made her Hot 100 debut: 2008: 3 2009: 2 2010: 4 2011: 1 2012: 4 2013: 0 2014: 2 2015: 3 2016: 1 2017: 2 2018: 0 2019: 3 2020: 4 2021: 1 2022: 10
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Post by firefox on Nov 12, 2022 23:39:00 GMT -5
723 points?! wtf π€―
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Post by Fanstar1 on Nov 12, 2022 23:55:49 GMT -5
I don't know, my intuition is that that number seems so anomalously high that it must be wrong. It didn't even open with 10% that number its first week, so how could it balloon up so high during its third week to rival some of her best-sellers in the heyday of digital sales, and what incentive did fans even have for buying so many copies? Simply to block Drake's first week at #1, when Anti-Hero already had two weeks and will likely return in succeeding weeks? Like I said before though, if those numbers are real, they will 100% be closing this loophole. I think a fair rule change would be that remixes released later in the week would not count until the following week's chart. It's possible the true number is much lower. I'm hearing from other places that the real figure is closer to 140,000, which is still an incredibly high figure and would make Anti-Hero #1 bar any formula changes.
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Post by Caviar on Nov 13, 2022 0:32:34 GMT -5
Isn't this bigger than "ME!"'s debut week with 650 points?!
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Post by 85la on Nov 13, 2022 0:38:48 GMT -5
I don't know, my intuition is that that number seems so anomalously high that it must be wrong. It didn't even open with 10% that number its first week, so how could it balloon up so high during its third week to rival some of her best-sellers in the heyday of digital sales, and what incentive did fans even have for buying so many copies? Simply to block Drake's first week at #1, when Anti-Hero already had two weeks and will likely return in succeeding weeks? Like I said before though, if those numbers are real, they will 100% be closing this loophole. I think a fair rule change would be that remixes released later in the week would not count until the following week's chart. It's possible the true number is much lower. I'm hearing from other places that the real figure is closer to 140,000, which is still an incredibly high figure and would make Anti-Hero #1 bar any formula changes. Even my proposed rule change of not counting late-in-the-week released remixes?
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Nov 13, 2022 0:50:57 GMT -5
It's possible the true number is much lower. I'm hearing from other places that the real figure is closer to 140,000, which is still an incredibly high figure and would make Anti-Hero #1 bar any formula changes. Even my proposed rule change of not counting late-in-the-week released remixes? That rule doesnβt even make sense though. Whatβs the rationale? Iβd say it makes more sense to not count website sales from artist sites. The rationale behind that is that itβs a safe assumption those sales are going to people who already bought/consumed the song already in the period so theyβre basically padded sales. I used to not agree with this suggestion but given all the recent examples of single sales from artist sites, it makes the most sense. The downside is that if that were a change, artists wouldnβt release physical singles anymore. As a collector of some artistβs releases, I do like getting them sometimes.
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Post by gs on Nov 13, 2022 1:17:37 GMT -5
anyway, does anyone have the biggest weekly point totals for the 2020s decade? #1 WAP ~905+ #2 Dynamite ~850 #3 Butter ~735 #4/#5 Easy On Me/drivers license ~655-660 #6 The Box ~615
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Post by Fanstar1 on Nov 13, 2022 1:59:42 GMT -5
anyway, does anyone have the biggest weekly point totals for the 2020s decade? #1 WAP ~905+ #2 Dynamite ~850 #3 Butter ~735 #4/#5 Easy On Me/drivers license ~655-660 #6 The Box ~615 It's worth noting the rules and formula have changed multiple times since the decade began. Notably the sales divisor has moved from 5 to 7.5, meaning sales are worth less. If Anti-Hero has 300,000 sales, then under the old divisor it would have beaten WAP (assuming it didn't do more than around 920 pts).
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Post by JukeboxJacob on Nov 13, 2022 2:36:52 GMT -5
Anti-Hero isn't that great
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Post by π‘πππππ€ on Nov 13, 2022 3:07:15 GMT -5
.....ok anyway
normally I'd be hella excited about Taylor holding off drake (and I kinda am) but its...hrm. really girl?
Taylor Swift once again proving she is the biggest sweat in the entire music industry. Red lost AOTY and she made a vow to never lose anything ever again lol. "anti-hero" on repeat regardless, at least the song is an actual hit at number 1 rather than a stan-powered flop
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Post by Future Captain on Nov 13, 2022 3:19:19 GMT -5
okay wow what the hell. I'm even more baffled because I'm in a few Swiftie twitter dm group/discord and I honestly didn't see any big drive in those for a mass buying campaign to be able to reach that kind of number since everyone I know is more occupied with trying to get a ticket for her tour unless I missed something
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Post by suburbandreams on Nov 13, 2022 4:42:07 GMT -5
okay wow what the hell. I'm even more baffled because I'm in a few Swiftie twitter dm group/discord and I honestly didn't see any big drive in those for a mass buying campaign to be able to reach that kind of number since everyone I know is more occupied with trying to get a ticket for her tour unless I missed something There was a rumor that buying a remix would boost your chance of getting selected for the presale just like buying something on her store gave you a boost. Since the remix was so cheap, I think a lot of people chanced it.
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Post by Choco on Nov 13, 2022 9:29:55 GMT -5
I come back to this thread to three whole pages of wall to wall text...
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 13, 2022 9:41:11 GMT -5
I don't know, my intuition is that that number seems so anomalously high that it must be wrong. It didn't even open with 10% that number its first week, so how could it balloon up so high during its third week to rival some of her best-sellers in the heyday of digital sales, and what incentive did fans even have for buying so many copies? Simply to block Drake's first week at #1, when Anti-Hero already had two weeks and will likely return in succeeding weeks? Like I said before though, if those numbers are real, they will 100% be closing this loophole. I think a fair rule change would be that remixes released later in the week would not count until the following week's chart. It's possible the true number is much lower. I'm hearing from other places that the real figure is closer to 140,000, which is still an incredibly high figure and would make Anti-Hero #1 bar any formula changes. These sales really are wild and a credit to her fans, I guess. I mean, the large majority are from 1-2 days right? Did they care this much about a random third week at #1?
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Post by Soulsista on Nov 13, 2022 11:37:41 GMT -5
Billboard Top 10 from 60, 55, 50, 45, and 40 years ago:
November 17, 1962
01 02 Big Girls Don't Cry - The Four Seasons (1st of 5 weeks at #1) 02 04 Return To Sender - Elvis Presley 03 01 He's a Rebel - The Crystals 04 03 All Alone Am I - Brenda Lee 05 06 Next Door To An Angel - Neil Sedaka 06 07 Gina - Johnny Mathis 07 19 Bobbie's Girl - Marcie Blane 08 16 Don't Hang Up - The Orlons 09 11 Limbo Rock - Chubby Checker 10 14 The Cha-Cha-Cha - Bobby Rydell
19 39 The Lonely Bull (El Solo Torro) - The Tijuana Brass feat. Herb Alpert
November 18, 1967
01 01 To Sir With Love - Lulu (5th and final week at #1) 02 02 Soul Man - Sam & Dave 03 04 Incense And Peppermints - Strawberry Alarm Clock 04 06 The Rain, The Park And Other Things - The Cowsills 05 03 It Must Be Him - Vicki Carr 06 07 Please Love Me Forever - Bobby Vinton 07 05 Your Precious Love - Marvin Gaye & Tammi Terrell 08 22 I Say a Little Prayer - Dionne Warwick 09 09 Expressway (To Your Heart) - The Soul Survivors 10 11 I Can See For Miles - The Who
November 18, 1972
01 01 I Can See Clearly Now - Johnny Nash (3rd of 4 weeks at #1) 02 03 I'd Love You To Want Me - Lobo 03 05 I'll Be Around - The Spinners 04 08 I Am Woman - Helen Reddy 05 02 Nights In White Satin - The Moody Blues 06 13 Papa Was a Rollin' Stone - The Temptations 07 04 Freddie's Dead (Theme From Superfly) - Curtis Mayfield 08 09 Convention '72 - The Delegates 09 10 Witchy Woman - The Eagles 10 16 Summer Breeze - Seals & Crofts
November 19, 1977
01 01 You Light Up My Life - Debby Boone (6th of 10 weeks at #1) 02 02 Boogie Nights - Heatwave 03 05 Don't It Make My Brown Eyes Blue - Crystal Gayle 04 04 It's Ecstasy When You Lay Down Next To Me - Barry White 05 07 Baby, What a Big Surprise - Chicago 06 09 How Deep Is Your Love - The Bee Gees 07 08 Heaven On The 7th Floor - Paul Nicholas 08 10 We're All Alone - Rita Coolidge 09 11 Blue Bayou - Linda Ronstadt 10 03 Nobody Does It Better - Carly Simon
November 20, 1982
01 01 Up Where We Belong - Joe Cocker & Jennifer Warnes (3rd and final week at #1) 02 02 Truly - Lionel Richie 03 03 Heart Attack - Olivia Newton-John 04 04 Gloria - Laura Branigan 05 05 Heartlight - Neil Diamond 06 06 Who Can It Be Now - Men At Work 07 13 Mickey - Toni Basil 08 12 Maneater - Daryl Hall & John Oates 09 14 Steppin' Out - Joe Jackson 10 10 Muscles - Diana Ross
14 36 The Girl Is Mine - Michael Jackson & Paul McCartney 19 52 Sexual Healing - Marvin Gaye
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Post by Envoirment on Nov 13, 2022 11:48:32 GMT -5
Those sales are insane. It's quite nice to see Taylor get another massive hit which is looking to do really well in the long run. It's likely her biggest lead single since "Shake It Off".
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