Billboard Hot 100: 04/08/2023

[Future Captain]

Apr 3, 2023 19:06:38 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

In the trenches on r/popheads and stan Twitter, apparently there's this big conspiracy that radio and the US labels/fanbases are intimidated by BTS which is why they won't play them. Apparently BTS is actually really popular with the US general public but they are being "suppressed" by Spotify, radio and everyone else.

I dare anyone to walk outside and ask someone on the street what their favorite BTS song is, you'll probably get lots of "I know who they are, but I don't listen to their music." Idk why BTS stans and K-Pop stans in general can't understand that K-Pop isn't popular in the US, at least with the general population. The closest to ubiquity K-Pop had here was Gangnam Style, otherwise it stays within it's niche. Which is fine, but I just wish I could stop hearing about these dumb conspiracies. You got your #1, now let's move on.

lmao did they completely forgot that even at the height of early 2010s boyband fever with 1D, 5SOS, etc hitting all at once, we can probably count their songs that become a big radio hit on one hand and maybe a bit more if we're being generous with "big". one direction have exactly four top 10 hits in Pop and bts is already halfway there in matching that. 

[kindofbiased]

Apr 3, 2023 19:41:49 GMT -5 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 said:

LEAVE TRACY CHAPMAN ALONE, “FAST CAR” ALREADY HAD TO DEAL W JONAS BLUE

nah Luke Combs' cover is actually really good he's allowed, he doesn't even change the pronouns

[jasper0102]

Apr 3, 2023 12:55:45 GMT -5 jdanton2 said:

i guess that means the other BTS members will be taking their turns at #1 as well.

Given how BTS member featured songs did before Like Crazy, part of me wants to think this is a one time thing. Then again, this is the ARMY we’re talking about, I won’t be surprised if this becomes the norm.

Apr 3, 2023 13:03:12 GMT -5 joshtheking said:

Ridiculous, but kinda grown numb to it at this stage. At leas it's only blocking a song that's already had many weeks on top

I imagine the Pulse rage levels would have been like 100x times higher if it had blocked Kill Bill.

Apr 3, 2023 13:13:19 GMT -5 wavey. said:

Nowwwww, let Jimin have his moment❤️

Yeah, criticizing how he got to #1 is fair, but don’t put any out your criticisms onto Jimin himself ok?

Apr 3, 2023 14:34:18 GMT -5 lazer said:

Why are BTS stans still sticking to sales?

Because it’s a formula that’s worked for them before. Sales are the main reason BTS have had as many number-one weeks as they have.

Apr 3, 2023 14:45:00 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

Poor SZA is never gonna get #1 at this rate

Yeah. Even if Like Crazy freefalls i won’t be shocked if Last Night blocks it next, and that’s not counting Suga’s release in a few weeks.

Apr 3, 2023 14:46:27 GMT -5 Groovy said:

Apr 3, 2023 14:45:00 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

Poor SZA is never gonna get #1 at this rate

On the flip side, all signs are pointing to her topping the YE even if she never gets to 1. 

Yeah, only thing stopping her is either Morgan Wallen or another Candle In The Wind 1997 moment.

Apr 3, 2023 17:37:12 GMT -5 firefox said:

Yikes. An unknown #1. Congrats to Jimin though

I wouldn’t say it’s completely unknown. I think “unknown outside of the ARMY/KPOP bubble” is more accurate.

[Au$tin]

Apr 3, 2023 20:11:12 GMT -5 kindofbiased said:

Apr 3, 2023 19:41:49 GMT -5 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 said:

LEAVE TRACY CHAPMAN ALONE, “FAST CAR” ALREADY HAD TO DEAL W JONAS BLUE

nah Luke Combs' cover is actually really good he's allowed, he doesn't even change the pronouns

Loved him for that, honestly.

[Enigma.]

I love Like Crazy, better than most of the BTS singles

[dremolus - solarpunk]

BUBBLING UNDER
#1. Kanii - I Know (DEBUT)
#2. Chinito Pacas and Fuerza Regida - Dijeron Que No La Iba Lograr (-1)
#3. Scotty McCreery - It Matters to Her (+3)
#4. Libianca - People (+11)
#5. Jelly Roll - Need A Favor (+6)
#6. Summer Walker - Karma (-1)
#7. Luke Combs - You Found Yours (DEBUT)
#8. Junior H and Peso Pluma - El Azul (DEBUT)
#9. Grupo Frontera and Grupo Marca Registrada - Di Que Si (+5)
#10. NLE Choppa feat. Lil Wayne - Ain't Gonna Answer (DEBUT)
#11. Brent Faiyaz - JACKIE BROWN (+2)
#12. Justin Moore and Priscilla Block - You, Me & Whiskey (DEBUT)
#13. Dean Lewis - How Do I Say Goodbye (+3)
#14. Luke Combs - Hannah Ford Road (DEBUT)
#15. Luke Combs - Where the Wild Things Are (DEBUT)
#16. Keith Urban - Brown Eyed Baby (+7)
#17. Paris Paloma - labour (DEBUT)
#18. Sam Hunt - Water Under the Bridge (+4)
#19. Marshmello and Manuel Turizo - El Merengue (+6)
#20. Meghan Trainor - Mother (-1)
#21. Fuerza Regida and Peso Pluma - Igualito a Mi Apá (DEBUT)
#22. Linkin Park - Fighting Myself (DEBUT)
#23. PeeZy - Million Up (-2)
#24. Luke Combs - See Me Now (DEBUT)
#25. Luke Combs - Still (DEBUT)

[dremolus - solarpunk]

Notable Gains:
#24. Luke Combs - Love You Anyway (+25)
#33. Luke Combs - 5 Leaf Clover (+12) *new peak*
#34. Yng Lvcas and Peso Pluma - La Bebe (+43) *new peak*
#74. Coco Jones - ICU (+14) *new peak*

Notable Losses:
#39. Taylor Swift - All Of the Girls You Loved Before (-27)
#42. Luke Combs - Going, Going, Gone (-10)
#47. Carly Pearce - What He Didn't Do (-10)
#48. Morgan Wallen - Everything I Love (-10)
#49. Morgan Wallen - Ain't That Some (-10)
#63. Bizarrap and Shakira - Bzrp Music Sessions, Vol. 53 (-10)
#65. SZA - Nobody Gets Me (-13)
#70. Lizzy McAlpine - ceilings (-14)
#77. Morgan Wallen - Sunrise (-15)
#79. Morgan Wallen - '98 Braves (-18)
#80. Miley Cyrus - River (-21)
#90. Morgan Wallen - Dying Man (-11)
#91. SZA - Low (-10)
#95. Chino Pacas - El Gordo Trae Mando (-11)
#96. Hozier - Eat Your Young (-29)
#98. Morgan Wallen - Whiskey Friends (-18)

Re-entries:
#50. Lil Baby - Low Down
#54. Luke Combs - Growin' Up and Gettin' Old
#82. NLE Choppa - SLUT ME OUT

Notable Dropouts:
Freestyle (25 weeks)
You Didn't (11 weeks)
Here With Me (10 weeks)
10:35 (9 weeks)

Biggest Gain in Streaming: La Bebe Remix
Biggest Gain in Airplay: Sure Thing
Biggest Gain in Sales: Red Ruby Da Sleeze

Gained in Points:
#3. Morgan Wallen - Last Night (-1)
#8. Rema and Selena Gomez - Calm Down (=)
#10. Coi Leray - Players (-1)
#17. Toosii - Favorite Song (+4) *new peak*
#18. Miguel - Sure Thing (+5) *new peak*
#25. Morgan Wallen - One Thing At A Time (=)
#27. Zach Bryan - Something in the Orange (+6)
#32. Lainey Wilson - Heart Like A Truck (+3)
#37. SZA - Snooze (-1)
#40. HARDY feat. Lainey Wilson - wait in the truck (+3)
#41. Drake and 21 Savage - Spin Bout U (-1)
#43. Lady Gaga - Bloody Mary (-2)
#51. Nicki Minaj - Red Ruby Da Sleeze (-4)
#53. Parker McCollum - Handle On You (+5) *new peak*
#58. Corey Kent - Wild As Her (-1)
#62. Sabrina Carpenter - Nonsense (+7)
#64. Megan Moroney - Tennessee Orange (+4)
#66. Lizzo feat. SZA - Special (-3)
#67. Gabito Ballestros, Peso Pluma, and Natanael Cano - AMG (+3)
#73. Yandel and Feid - Yandel 150 (-2)
#75. Tyler Hubbard - Dancin' in the Country (+8) *new peak*
#76. Peso Pluma - Por las Noches (-4)
#89. Cody Johnson - Human (+2)
#92. Dierks Bentley - Gold (+1)
#94. FIFTY FIFTY - Cupid (+6) *new peak*

[KeepDeanWeird]

Apr 3, 2023 19:41:49 GMT -5 𝕡𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕓𝕤 said:

LEAVE TRACY CHAPMAN ALONE, “FAST CAR” ALREADY HAD TO DEAL W JONAS BLUE

Pretty sure he's been performing this for years. My gut says this will be a huge crossover hit if it gets released to radio.

[Az Paynter]

Apr 3, 2023 19:06:38 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

In the trenches on r/popheads and stan Twitter, apparently there's this big conspiracy that radio and the US labels/fanbases are intimidated by BTS which is why they won't play them. Apparently BTS is actually really popular with the US general public but they are being "suppressed" by Spotify, radio and everyone else.

I dare anyone to walk outside and ask someone on the street what their favorite BTS song is, you'll probably get lots of "I know who they are, but I don't listen to their music." Idk why BTS stans and K-Pop stans in general can't understand that K-Pop isn't popular in the US, at least with the general population. The closest to ubiquity K-Pop had here was Gangnam Style, otherwise it stays within it's niche. Which is fine, but I just wish I could stop hearing about these dumb conspiracies. You got your #1, now let's move on.

I feel like the ARMY have a legitimately warped perception of how popular BTS actually is in the US market, and they have a decidedly pronounced inability to recognize that it's of their own doing. This significantly tiny group of fans pulled out every trick they could think of to grossly exaggerate BTS' digital track sales so they could score lots of #1's/big hits, so now they think that 'BTS has all these #1's and huge hits' that means that the entirety of the US is here for BTS when literally the only reason BTS have those stats is because of this small group of stans. Take the stan activity out of the equation and BTS looks so much more like a non-entity.

I think the only reason 'Dynamite' and 'Butter' were as big as they are on radio is in direct response to the huge sales week-in-week-out making those songs ride the top end of the Hot 100 for weeks and weeks on end. When the songs were #1 and done, the needle didn't move at radio at all.

As for streaming, well they can't be the all-encompassing US juggernaut if they can't even get a decently-big streaming hit but no, "cOnSpIrAcY1!1!"

[Gary]

Straight up remakes like 'Fast Car' are rare these days (as opposed to sampling or interpolations) -- older charts used to have as many as 4 or 5 in a given week.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

Tennessee Whiskey re-entered Hot 100 Recurrents for its 126th week. That's the second most weeks in that chart for a song that I'm aware of, behind Sunflower's 130 weeks.

[sayhey]

Apr 3, 2023 18:36:02 GMT -5 Envoirment said:

Apr 3, 2023 18:25:41 GMT -5 sayhey said:

Happy to see Rema & Selena stable at #8! Their airplay is growing fast, up to #7 currently. I really want to see them crack the top 5 of the Hot 100.

Also, it's nice that Miley's stats remain relatively stable. I can see her returning to #1 next week hopefully! I'd like for Flowers to spend at least 2 more weeks atop the chart and join the 10-week-at-#1 club!

Hopefully it'll manage so, but there's a lot of competition. I can see it maybe getting 1 more week but 10 seems out of reach with "Last Night" gaining in airplay and SZA discounting "Kill Bill" as well as generally being ahead on streaming.

Perhaps Miley could release some CDs or a discount. Although with how large its airplay is and how stable it apppears, it may end up doing similar to "As It Was"?

Yeah, it has really stable airplay, that's why I can kinda see it returning to #1 eventually like As It Was. The competition is really tough streaming-wise but I still think it might have a chance.

Apr 3, 2023 18:49:43 GMT -5 chartfreak said:

So if Flowers returns to #1, this will be it's second return to the top. Does anyone have a list of songs that returned to #1 multiple times during it's first initial chart run?

As It Was broke the record for most returns to #1 last year. It returned 4 times, for a total of 5 runs on top. It did 1 (debut) week, then 2 weeks, then another 4, then 3 and then a final 5 weeks for a total of 15 weeks, spanning 25 weeks (all of them in the top 2, another record). Additionally, it did 29 weeks in the top 3, which is yet another record.

Other than that, off the top of my head, other songs to return to number one are:

The Emotions - Best of My Love (returned once)
Leona Lewis - Bleeding Love (returned twice, I think it was the first to do so, might be wrong though)
Lil Wayne - Lollipop (returned once)
T.I. - Whatever You Like (returned twice)
T.I. feat. Rihanna - Live Your Life (returned twice)
Beyonce - Single Ladies (returned once)
Jack Harlow - First Class (returned once)
Mariah Carey - All I Want for Christmas Is You (returned 4 times, tying Harry Stryles' record, will almost certainly break it this year)

I'm sure there are many more. 2008 was a very interesting year, that's why I remember those. I remember being shocked at so many songs returning to #1 repeatedly.

[fengyu]

Apr 4, 2023 12:27:39 GMT -5 sayhey said:

Apr 3, 2023 18:36:02 GMT -5 Envoirment said:

Hopefully it'll manage so, but there's a lot of competition. I can see it maybe getting 1 more week but 10 seems out of reach with "Last Night" gaining in airplay and SZA discounting "Kill Bill" as well as generally being ahead on streaming.

Perhaps Miley could release some CDs or a discount. Although with how large its airplay is and how stable it apppears, it may end up doing similar to "As It Was"?

Yeah, it has really stable airplay, that's why I can kinda see it returning to #1 eventually like As It Was. The competition is really tough streaming-wise but I still think it might have a chance.

Apr 3, 2023 18:49:43 GMT -5 chartfreak said:

So if Flowers returns to #1, this will be it's second return to the top. Does anyone have a list of songs that returned to #1 multiple times during it's first initial chart run?

As It Was broke the record for most returns to #1 last year. It returned 4 times, for a total of 5 runs on top. It did 1 (debut) week, then 2 weeks, then another 4, then 3 and then a final 5 weeks for a total of 15 weeks, spanning 25 weeks (all of them in the top 2, another record). Additionally, it did 29 weeks in the top 3, which is yet another record.

Other than that, off the top of my head, other songs to return to number one are:

The Emotions - Best of My Love (returned once)
Leona Lewis - Bleeding Love (returned twice, I think it was the first to do so, might be wrong though)
Lil Wayne - Lollipop (returned once)
T.I. - Whatever You Like (returned twice)
T.I. feat. Rihanna - Live Your Life (returned twice)
Beyonce - Single Ladies (returned once)
Jack Harlow - First Class (returned once)
Mariah Carey - All I Want for Christmas Is You (returned 4 times, tying Harry Stryles' record, will almost certainly break it this year)

I'm sure there are many more. 2008 was a very interesting year, that's why I remember those. I remember being shocked at so many songs returning to #1 repeatedly.

I know Shake It Off did, too.

[jenglisbe]

Apr 4, 2023 12:27:39 GMT -5 sayhey said:

Apr 3, 2023 18:36:02 GMT -5 Envoirment said:

Hopefully it'll manage so, but there's a lot of competition. I can see it maybe getting 1 more week but 10 seems out of reach with "Last Night" gaining in airplay and SZA discounting "Kill Bill" as well as generally being ahead on streaming.

Perhaps Miley could release some CDs or a discount. Although with how large its airplay is and how stable it apppears, it may end up doing similar to "As It Was"?

Yeah, it has really stable airplay, that's why I can kinda see it returning to #1 eventually like As It Was. The competition is really tough streaming-wise but I still think it might have a chance.

Apr 3, 2023 18:49:43 GMT -5 chartfreak said:

So if Flowers returns to #1, this will be it's second return to the top. Does anyone have a list of songs that returned to #1 multiple times during it's first initial chart run?

As It Was broke the record for most returns to #1 last year. It returned 4 times, for a total of 5 runs on top. It did 1 (debut) week, then 2 weeks, then another 4, then 3 and then a final 5 weeks for a total of 15 weeks, spanning 25 weeks (all of them in the top 2, another record). Additionally, it did 29 weeks in the top 3, which is yet another record.

Other than that, off the top of my head, other songs to return to number one are:

The Emotions - Best of My Love (returned once)
Leona Lewis - Bleeding Love (returned twice, I think it was the first to do so, might be wrong though)
Lil Wayne - Lollipop (returned once)
T.I. - Whatever You Like (returned twice)
T.I. feat. Rihanna - Live Your Life (returned twice)
Beyonce - Single Ladies (returned once)
Jack Harlow - First Class (returned once)
Mariah Carey - All I Want for Christmas Is You (returned 4 times, tying Harry Stryles' record, will almost certainly break it this year)

I'm sure there are many more. 2008 was a very interesting year, that's why I remember those. I remember being shocked at so many songs returning to #1 repeatedly.

2008 really was crazy for those returns to #1 lol.

In 2009 "Down" and "Fireflies" also did a return to #1.

"Firework" and "Grenade" traded #1 back-and-forth for like a month, and then "Grenade" fell and went back again too. I think that sham week at #1 for "S&M" interrupted a run at #1?

"Move Like Jagger" and "Someone Like You" also traded #1 back and forth.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

^Several songs got to return to #1 at least once, after AIWFCIY started getting to #1 during the holidays each year: Circles (one), Mood (three), Easy on Me (three) and Anti-Hero (once).

[Envoirment]

Really happy to see Miguel top 20! Given the way he's climbing pop radio, I wouldn't be surprised if it manages a top 10 peak on the Hot 100 in a few weeks time - particularly as a number of songs ahead are falling/decreasing in points week by week.

[thegreatdivine]

This week marks Drake's 700th cumulative chart week on the Hot 100, by far the most time spent on the chart amongst all acts.

Below are his consecutive runs on the Hot 100:
May 23, 2009 (Best I Ever Had) - August 19, 2017 (Passionfruit) — 431 weeks
February 3, 2018 (God's Plan) - September 4, 2021 (Betrayal) — 188 weeks
September 18, 2021 (Way 2 Sexy) - April 30, 2022 (P Power) — 33 weeks
May 14, 2022 (Wait 4 U) - now — 48 weeks (and counting)

On the May 23, 2009 chart, Drake scored his first entry on the Hot 100 with “Best I Ever Had.” He has charted for a total of 700 out of the 724 total chart weeks since then.

[renfield75]

Apr 4, 2023 12:27:39 GMT -5 sayhey said:

Apr 3, 2023 18:36:02 GMT -5 Envoirment said:

Hopefully it'll manage so, but there's a lot of competition. I can see it maybe getting 1 more week but 10 seems out of reach with "Last Night" gaining in airplay and SZA discounting "Kill Bill" as well as generally being ahead on streaming.

Perhaps Miley could release some CDs or a discount. Although with how large its airplay is and how stable it apppears, it may end up doing similar to "As It Was"?

Yeah, it has really stable airplay, that's why I can kinda see it returning to #1 eventually like As It Was. The competition is really tough streaming-wise but I still think it might have a chance.

Apr 3, 2023 18:49:43 GMT -5 chartfreak said:

So if Flowers returns to #1, this will be it's second return to the top. Does anyone have a list of songs that returned to #1 multiple times during it's first initial chart run?

As It Was broke the record for most returns to #1 last year. It returned 4 times, for a total of 5 runs on top. It did 1 (debut) week, then 2 weeks, then another 4, then 3 and then a final 5 weeks for a total of 15 weeks, spanning 25 weeks (all of them in the top 2, another record). Additionally, it did 29 weeks in the top 3, which is yet another record.

Other than that, off the top of my head, other songs to return to number one are:

The Emotions - Best of My Love (returned once)
Leona Lewis - Bleeding Love (returned twice, I think it was the first to do so, might be wrong though)
Lil Wayne - Lollipop (returned once)
T.I. - Whatever You Like (returned twice)
T.I. feat. Rihanna - Live Your Life (returned twice)
Beyonce - Single Ladies (returned once)
Jack Harlow - First Class (returned once)
Mariah Carey - All I Want for Christmas Is You (returned 4 times, tying Harry Stryles' record, will almost certainly break it this year)

I'm sure there are many more. 2008 was a very interesting year, that's why I remember those. I remember being shocked at so many songs returning to #1 repeatedly.

The first song to have three different trips to number one was Chic's disco classic "Le Freak" in 1978/79. It knocked Barbra Streisand & Neil Diamond's "You Don't Bring Me Flowers" out of the top for one week, then Barbra/Neil returned for a second week, then Chic went back for 2 more weeks. The Bee Gees then topped the chart for 2 weeks with "Too Much Heaven", after which Chic went back for 3 more weeks (for 6 total). It was a very rare occurrence back then, and I don't think another song had that many return trips to the top until Leona Lewis' "Bleeding Love" in 2008.

Oddly, not a single song fell from the top and then returned between February 1983 (Men At Work's "Down Under") and May 1994 (Ace Of Base's "The Sign"). Once songs in the 80s and early 90s fell they were DONE.

[mms82]

Apr 4, 2023 13:25:25 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

This week marks Drake's 700th cumulative chart week on the Hot 100, by far the most time spent on the chart amongst all acts.

Below are his consecutive runs on the Hot 100:
May 23, 2009 (Best I Ever Had) - August 19, 2017 (Passionfruit) — 431 weeks
February 3, 2018 (God's Plan) - September 4, 2021 (Betrayal) — 188 weeks
September 18, 2021 (Way 2 Sexy) - April 30, 2022 (P Power) — 33 weeks
May 14, 2022 (Wait 4 U) - now — 48 weeks (and counting)

On the May 23, 2009 chart, Drake scored his first entry on the Hot 100 with “Best I Ever Had.” He has charted for a total of 700 out of the 724 total chart weeks since then.

Honestly the most shocking part of this stat is that Drake has been off of the chart for almost 6 whole months in the past 15 years. He's the most dominant Hot 100 musician, it's wild

[sayhey]

Apr 4, 2023 12:48:32 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Apr 4, 2023 12:27:39 GMT -5 sayhey said:

2008 really was crazy for those returns to #1 lol.

In 2009 "Down" and "Fireflies" also did a return to #1.

"Firework" and "Grenade" traded #1 back-and-forth for like a month, and then "Grenade" fell and went back again too. I think that sham week at #1 for "S&M" interrupted a run at #1?

"Move Like Jagger" and "Someone Like You" also traded #1 back and forth.

The Firework and Grenade situation was hilarious indeed! I remember thinking it was fascinating back then haha!!

Firework spent 3 initial weeks on top, to be interrupted for a week by Grenade, then it returned for another week only for Grenade to rise to #1 a second time. Britney's Hold It Against Me then debuted at #1 but Grenade returned to #1 yet again for a further 2 weeks.

The Britney remix of S&M interrupted Katy's E.T.'s run at #1, which returned on top for a 4th and 5th week. 

And yeah, MLJ and SLY also traded the top spot back and forth. Several songs from the late 2000s-early 2010s, the peak years of digital sales, traded the top spot due to iTunes sales spikes spurred by performances and other viral factors.

Another interesting example is Thrift Shop, which was interrupted by Harlem Shake for 5 whole weeks.

Probably the most extreme example though is Miley's Wrecking Ball, which was interrupted for 9 weeks by Lorde's Royals. The reason she returned to #1 for a 3d week was a viral Youtube video where a guy was pranking people online dressed as Miley in the iconic Wrecking Ball music video.

[salt]

Can anyone fill me in on why people get mad when Kpop acts get a song to #1 based on sales these days? Sales used to be the way most songs got to #1 anyways, and if fans want to boost their favorite artist's chart by position by... well... giving them their money, then why not? It's not like this method of reaching #1 is unavailable to US artists.

[joshtheking]

Apr 4, 2023 15:04:13 GMT -5 salt said:

Can anyone fill me in on why people get mad when Kpop acts get a song to #1 based on sales these days? Sales used to be the way most songs got to #1 anyways, and if fans want to boost their favorite artist's chart by position by... well... giving them their money, then why not? It's not like this method of reaching #1 is unavailable to US artists.

It's not just about it being Kpop. Believe me I'm all for Kpop and different genres on the charts but it doesn't feel legit. The #1 song rn has less than 10m streams, practically 0 airplay, and only got here from fans massbuying not because of the song being good but because they stan the artist. Would be just as critical if US artists did this too. Really I'm just blaming Billboard's rules, if people can exploit them you can't stop them but it just gets tiring to watch

[mms82]

Apr 4, 2023 15:04:13 GMT -5 salt said:

Can anyone fill me in on why people get mad when Kpop acts get a song to #1 based on sales these days? Sales used to be the way most songs got to #1 anyways, and if fans want to boost their favorite artist's chart by position by... well... giving them their money, then why not? It's not like this method of reaching #1 is unavailable to US artists.

It's a way of framing the chart. You are viewing it as a revenue / competition chart, while I (and I think lots of people on this board to various degrees) view it as a consumption chart - a historical record of music popularity in America this week. Jimin and ARMY are impressive for being able to manipulate a dataset like this (and shame on Billboard for not fixing these issues, obviously no ill-will toward ARMY for taking advantages of loopholes that Billboard does not want to close), but it makes the chart relatively useless. I think there is an argument for Flowers or Last Night being the biggest song in America this week (depending on how much one wants to wait radio), but Jimin is the biggest song only because of the loophole, making the chart data flawed.

[sayhey]

Apr 4, 2023 14:57:15 GMT -5 renfield75 said:

Apr 4, 2023 12:27:39 GMT -5 sayhey said:

Yeah, it has really stable airplay, that's why I can kinda see it returning to #1 eventually like As It Was. The competition is really tough streaming-wise but I still think it might have a chance.

As It Was broke the record for most returns to #1 last year. It returned 4 times, for a total of 5 runs on top. It did 1 (debut) week, then 2 weeks, then another 4, then 3 and then a final 5 weeks for a total of 15 weeks, spanning 25 weeks (all of them in the top 2, another record). Additionally, it did 29 weeks in the top 3, which is yet another record.

Other than that, off the top of my head, other songs to return to number one are:

The Emotions - Best of My Love (returned once)
Leona Lewis - Bleeding Love (returned twice, I think it was the first to do so, might be wrong though)
Lil Wayne - Lollipop (returned once)
T.I. - Whatever You Like (returned twice)
T.I. feat. Rihanna - Live Your Life (returned twice)
Beyonce - Single Ladies (returned once)
Jack Harlow - First Class (returned once)
Mariah Carey - All I Want for Christmas Is You (returned 4 times, tying Harry Stryles' record, will almost certainly break it this year)

I'm sure there are many more. 2008 was a very interesting year, that's why I remember those. I remember being shocked at so many songs returning to #1 repeatedly.

The first song to have three different trips to number one was Chic's disco classic "Le Freak" in 1978/79. It knocked Barbra Streisand & Neil Diamond's "You Don't Bring Me Flowers" out of the top for one week, then Barbra/Neil returned for a second week, then Chic went back for 2 more weeks. The Bee Gees then topped the chart for 2 weeks with "Too Much Heaven", after which Chic went back for 3 more weeks (for 6 total). It was a very rare occurrence back then, and I don't think another song had that many return trips to the top until Leona Lewis' "Bleeding Love" in 2008.

Oddly, not a single song fell from the top and then returned between February 1983 (Men At Work's "Down Under") and May 1994 (Ace Of Base's "The Sign"). Once songs in the 80s and early 90s fell they were DONE.

Right!! I was trying to remember which late 70s disco song kept returning to #1 but could only think of The Emotions' Best of My Love! Chic's Le Freak, aside from being an all-time-classic disco masterpiece, had one of the most impressive chart runs ever, considering its release era. It is actually ranked as the #24 biggest song ever on Billboard's All-Time chart.

And you actually reminded me of a very funny chart fact. All three #1 singles off of Bee Gee's smash 1979 album Spirits Having Flown interrupted other songs' chart runs. As you said, Too Much Heaven interrupted Le Freak for 2 weeks. Then Tragedy interrupted I Will Survive for 2 weeks again. Finally, Love You Inside Out interrupted Donna's Hot Stuff for a week. I always found that fascinating. It's probably the only album to produce three #1 singles with such chart runs! The closest would be T.I.'s 2008 album Paper trail, which spawned the aforementioned Whatever You Like and Live Your Life.

[salt]

Hmmm... Seems more like an issue with the Hot 100 being kinda ambiguous with what it's supposed to measure in the first place. The formulas themselves seem to be based more on revenue (which is why sales have more of a weight), but people understand the chart to be more about popularity. This feels like something that's either on Billboard to clear up, or for chart watchers to adjust their view of what the chart is.

[sayhey]

Apr 4, 2023 15:04:13 GMT -5 salt said:

Can anyone fill me in on why people get mad when Kpop acts get a song to #1 based on sales these days? Sales used to be the way most songs got to #1 anyways, and if fans want to boost their favorite artist's chart by position by... well... giving them their money, then why not? It's not like this method of reaching #1 is unavailable to US artists.

And to comment on the current #1, I personally have no issue with fanbases mass buying. It has been the case for decades, as seen with Backstreet Boys' and NSync's record breaking opening week album sales, which even involved the purchase of multiple versions of the same album at times.

Also, I think it's great that KPop and other international genres are gaining more visibility online lately.

It has been argued, however, that many fans have been using VPN accounts to support such acts through other countries, which would technically be unfair for US artists who only rely on domestic sales. I'm not sure if Billboard has tackled this but I remember it being an issue. I also remember reading that crowdfunding is being organized by international Kpop fans so that American fans can mass-buy in the US. I don't follow stan culture so I don't know to what extent all this is true but it has been addressed by several chart observers over the last couple of years.

That said, I think it's exciting to see a solo Korean artist top the Hot 100, whatever the circumstances may be.

[kcdawg13]

Apr 4, 2023 9:04:02 GMT -5 Az Paynter said:

Apr 3, 2023 19:06:38 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

In the trenches on r/popheads and stan Twitter, apparently there's this big conspiracy that radio and the US labels/fanbases are intimidated by BTS which is why they won't play them. Apparently BTS is actually really popular with the US general public but they are being "suppressed" by Spotify, radio and everyone else.

I dare anyone to walk outside and ask someone on the street what their favorite BTS song is, you'll probably get lots of "I know who they are, but I don't listen to their music." Idk why BTS stans and K-Pop stans in general can't understand that K-Pop isn't popular in the US, at least with the general population. The closest to ubiquity K-Pop had here was Gangnam Style, otherwise it stays within it's niche. Which is fine, but I just wish I could stop hearing about these dumb conspiracies. You got your #1, now let's move on.

I feel like the ARMY have a legitimately warped perception of how popular BTS actually is in the US market, and they have a decidedly pronounced inability to recognize that it's of their own doing. This significantly tiny group of fans pulled out every trick they could think of to grossly exaggerate BTS' digital track sales so they could score lots of #1's/big hits, so now they think that 'BTS has all these #1's and huge hits' that means that the entirety of the US is here for BTS when literally the only reason BTS have those stats is because of this small group of stans. Take the stan activity out of the equation and BTS looks so much more like a non-entity.

I think the only reason 'Dynamite' and 'Butter' were as big as they are on radio is in direct response to the huge sales week-in-week-out making those songs ride the top end of the Hot 100 for weeks and weeks on end. When the songs were #1 and done, the needle didn't move at radio at all.

As for streaming, well they can't be the all-encompassing US juggernaut if they can't even get a decently-big streaming hit but no, "cOnSpIrAcY1!1!"

It kinda showcases that #1's aren't everything, ARMY sit around and gloat all day about all the #1's BTS have but no one actually cares about those singles. So what's the point? Dua Lipa has zero #1 hits but she's more known and has singles the general population actually know. "Levitating" is bigger than any of the 7 #1 hits BTS have. This is why I'm not as mad at Like Crazy as I was 2 years ago when Butter was #1, because in the end everyone in the US was singing "good 4 u" that summer and no one actually cared about the single that was #1 for 10 weeks.

No one cares about Like Crazy right now and no one will care next week when it falls to #77 or whatever and drops off the chart forever after that. It'll be back to business as usual.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

[85la]

Apr 4, 2023 15:22:03 GMT -5 sayhey said:

Apr 4, 2023 14:57:15 GMT -5 renfield75 said:

The first song to have three different trips to number one was Chic's disco classic "Le Freak" in 1978/79. It knocked Barbra Streisand & Neil Diamond's "You Don't Bring Me Flowers" out of the top for one week, then Barbra/Neil returned for a second week, then Chic went back for 2 more weeks. The Bee Gees then topped the chart for 2 weeks with "Too Much Heaven", after which Chic went back for 3 more weeks (for 6 total). It was a very rare occurrence back then, and I don't think another song had that many return trips to the top until Leona Lewis' "Bleeding Love" in 2008.

Oddly, not a single song fell from the top and then returned between February 1983 (Men At Work's "Down Under") and May 1994 (Ace Of Base's "The Sign"). Once songs in the 80s and early 90s fell they were DONE.

Right!! I was trying to remember which late 70s disco song kept returning to #1 but could only think of The Emotions' Best of My Love! Chic's Le Freak, aside from being an all-time-classic disco masterpiece, had one of the most impressive chart runs ever, considering its release era. It is actually ranked as the #24 biggest song ever on Billboard's All-Time chart.

And you actually reminded me of a very funny chart fact. All three #1 singles off of Bee Gee's smash 1979 album Spirits Having Flown interrupted other songs' chart runs. As you said, Too Much Heaven interrupted Le Freak for 2 weeks. Then Tragedy interrupted I Will Survive for 2 weeks again. Finally, Love You Inside Out interrupted Donna's Hot Stuff for a week. I always found that fascinating. It's probably the only album to produce three #1 singles with such chart runs! The closest would be T.I.'s 2008 album Paper trail, which spawned the aforementioned Whatever You Like and Live Your Life.

Very interesting fact indeed! And unfortunately, I think it's been well-documented that the answer to this is that there were some shady dealings going on between the Bee Gee's management and Billboard's chart editor at the time.

[angleeyze]

How many Adds did songs get today from artists who can't even sell out an arena. BTS is selling out stadiums. And yes Army buys music but labels buy radio deals so what's the difference. Was Charlie's song that much better- seriously? At least with sales artists and songwriters get paid whereas with radio songwriters don't get paid. Let's not talk about the pennies streaming platforms want to pay.
We will see if UMG follows through with their plan not to spend money on radio how many of the artists make it to no.1 without radio support.