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Post by Active Aggressive on Jun 25, 2024 19:21:02 GMT -5
Well...I grew to love I Luv It and loved He Knows right away and now Wrist Wrist Spritz Sptriz grows on me although sometimes that piano makes me want to rip my ears out! I will probably buy the vinyl.
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Post by leonagwen on Jun 25, 2024 22:16:42 GMT -5
Well...I grew to love I Luv It and loved He Knows right away and now Wrist Wrist Spritz Sptriz grows on me although sometimes that piano makes me want to rip my ears out! I will probably buy the vinyl. Camila needs a big hit, a radio and streaming hit, otherwise the album will have a short chart life. I'm hoping that on album release day that a new radio song and music video gets released with a high Spotify Today's Top Hits placement. I see 3 potential songs getting released to radio on Friday, Pretty When I Cry, Dade County Dreaming or Hot Uptown.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Jun 26, 2024 1:27:01 GMT -5
Camila may need a big hit, but she is not going to get one. After Kendrick buried Drake, I can't imagine a Drake x Camila song lighting up the charts. Hell, even without the Kendrick slaughter, it wouldn't be feasible. Then, you have a collab with...City Girls, who, last time I checked, aren't even together anymore, so I wouldn't bet on them appearing in a video or doing promo, not to mention one of them is Diddy's girlfriend?? He Knows is hella catchy, but...LNX's last few efforts flopped. Then, you have a song paying homage to The-Dream, who has sexual assault allegations currently attached to him. Face it: Camila was just doing whatever she wanted to with this album. There is no conceivable way she put this project together with success in mind.
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Post by Wavey✨️ on Jun 26, 2024 8:11:01 GMT -5
Anything can happen. I am enjoying this direction she's going with the era, it's fitting for a wild summer.
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Post by Maximillian on Jun 26, 2024 16:30:28 GMT -5
Camila may need a big hit, but she is not going to get one. After Kendrick buried Drake, I can't imagine a Drake x Camila song lighting up the charts. Hell, even without the Kendrick slaughter, it wouldn't be feasible. Then, you have a collab with...City Girls, who, last time I checked, aren't even together anymore, so I wouldn't bet on them appearing in a video or doing promo, not to mention one of them is Diddy's girlfriend?? He Knows is hella catchy, but...LNX's last few efforts flopped. Then, you have a song paying homage to The-Dream, who has sexual assault allegations currently attached to him. Face it: Camila was just doing whatever she wanted to with this album. There is no conceivable way she put this project together with success in mind. In Camila’s defense, these songs were done before Kendrick/Drake, LNX flop era, City Girls breaking up and Diddy’s insane stuff going on. Girl has the worst luck. Lol. I mean, it would be funny if it wasn’t so unfortunately sad for her. In an alternate timeline, I Luv It would have launched the era, Drake would have been the second single, album would launch with a promo song and this would do decent numbers. But the world moved way faster than Camila did.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Jun 26, 2024 17:10:51 GMT -5
Maybe I need to wait and check Reddit or Twitter regarding the vinyl because I just got the new Kehlani album and...it's missing one of the best songs (What I Want). I'm guessing either the sample wasn't cleared in time of the vinyl pressing or she made the song too late in the process. Same thing happened with Tyla's album. Nothing beats the 12+ missing tracks from Pink Friday 2 though. I get that the majority of people stream these days, but how are you gonna charge people that much money for physical product when it's incomplete. Oh yeah, I forgot about Cowboy Carter too, LOLOL, but at least she rectified that situation. Imagine if the Drake tracks were omitted from the physical version of this??
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Post by leonagwen on Jun 26, 2024 22:17:12 GMT -5
Camila may need a big hit, but she is not going to get one. After Kendrick buried Drake, I can't imagine a Drake x Camila song lighting up the charts. Hell, even without the Kendrick slaughter, it wouldn't be feasible. Then, you have a collab with...City Girls, who, last time I checked, aren't even ta aogether anymore, so I wouldn't bet on them appearing in a video or doing promo, not to mention one of them is Diddy's girlfriend?? He Knows is hella catchy, but...LNX's last few efforts flopped. Then, you have a song paying homage to The-Dream, who has sexual assault allegations currently attached to him. Face it: Camila was just doing whatever she wanted to with this album. There is no conceivable way she put this project together with success in mind. Any artist that makes an album has success in mind. I understand your points about Drake and LNX but there's other songs on the album that can be hits. All we can do is wait and see what happens.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Jun 27, 2024 0:50:30 GMT -5
Incorrect, bubba. There are plenty of artists that just made weird albums for the sake of releasing them. Also, there are albums that were released solely for the purpose of getting out of contracts or, in the case of Marvin Gaye's "Here, My Dear" to pay divorce settlements. I just want to prepare you and let you know that there is the possibility that Camila just made a weird album because she is weird.
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Post by leonagwen on Jun 27, 2024 5:48:38 GMT -5
Incorrect, bubba. There are plenty of artists that just made weird albums for the sake of releasing them. Also, there are albums that were released solely for the purpose of getting out of contracts or, in the case of Marvin Gaye's "Here, My Dear" to pay divorce settlements. I just want to prepare you and let you know that there is the possibility that Camila just made a weird album because she is weird. You're just trying to rile me up Lee! Not gonna work. I'm just waiting for midnight!
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Post by Maximillian on Jun 27, 2024 12:13:37 GMT -5
Yall are both right. In this case, I think Camila is not done seeking success. Her last album didn’t sell well, but it performed decently on some singles (Bam Bam turned into one of her most streamed all time songs, about to cross 1B on Spotify). I don’t think failure is the name of her game — right now. However, she is taking risks and risks are … well, risky. I think the level of talent pulled for this record is too expensive for the label or her team to *hope* it would fail. So yeah, I def think they want success here.
On the other hand, you have artists that love to release things for whatever reason they want. Like Andre 3000’s latest song that’s 13 minutes of him playing the flute. Let’s be real, most artists do not sell tons of albums anymore. They still release albums though and find success in a new lane (see artists like Tinashe or Tove Lo…. And soon, Normani).
I’m going to predict this opens around 20k units, a slight decrease from the opening of Familia which sold 27,500 opening week. I really think if the label cared at all, they would have tabled this project, let some details get sorted out, and re-launched the era over the summer with the album coming in the fall.
Based on Normani sales and Camilas probable sales - I wouldn’t be shocked to see a mini 5H reunion album and tour in the next year or so.
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Post by pnobelysk on Jun 27, 2024 13:08:45 GMT -5
I’m curious what they would negotiate for a 5th harmony reunion. Do Camilla and / or Normani get paid more? Does Ali come out of music retirement ? They made Pennies last time and from a label perspective they aren’t a guarantee at all to have hits again. They only had a few to begin with.
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Post by surfy on Jun 27, 2024 13:24:57 GMT -5
counterpoint! success can mean something different to each person. but i do believe every artist hopes for some form of success by releasing their art to the world: commercial, acclaim, business, exposure, proof of their work. each artist truly has a different mission statement for each release and each of those reasons are valid and should be persued, it’s what makes art so interesting!
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Post by owenlovesmusic on Jun 27, 2024 14:47:20 GMT -5
Camila Cabello should be permanently banned from singing.
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Post by Maximillian on Jun 27, 2024 16:23:16 GMT -5
I’m curious what they would negotiate for a 5th harmony reunion. Do Camilla and / or Normani get paid more? Does Ali come out of music retirement ? They made Pennies last time and from a label perspective they aren’t a guarantee at all to have hits again. They only had a few to begin with. I think they would all negotiate independent at this point. Camila and Normani have the biggest chance to pull a crowd, and likely would be given the most creative input in decisions. It’s a business after all, and you’re going to pay your top talent the best. No idea on the other girls what they would do, but I imagine for a tour, merch, renewed interest in their solo projects, and some publicity… they would rise up. 5H is so unique because they never landed massive when they were together, but their legacy has done well. Camila and Normani are arguably much more famous now too. I could see a few cute bops and a tour doing well.
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Post by leonagwen on Jun 27, 2024 16:53:02 GMT -5
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Jun 27, 2024 19:44:32 GMT -5
A perfect way to course-correct the era: pairing with...... Drake...😐
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on Jun 27, 2024 21:16:47 GMT -5
This is not good. Disjointed, more boring than bizarre and somehow feels long even though it's very short.
The 'interludes' are nonsensical, they don't provide any sort of bridge between tracks, nor are they bookends between any sort of discernible sections of the album.
Everything seems to either finish too early or go on too long. The weird drawl she has going doesn't help either.
There's maybe two tracks I liked fine? And they were probably the most traditional in terms of structure.
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Post by leonagwen on Jun 28, 2024 0:14:50 GMT -5
Here are my ratings, rated from 1 to 10. I Luv It- 9, Chanel no 5- 8, He Knows- 9, Twentysomethings- 8, Dade County Dreaming- 7, Hot Uptown- 9, Uugly- 6, Dream Girls- 10, B.O.A.T.- 10, Pretty When I Cry- 10, June Gloom- 10.
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Post by haven on Jun 28, 2024 0:45:00 GMT -5
This isn't bad, there's a couple tracks I really like, but there are a lot of elements that sound very disjointed and it doesn't flow well as an album. Theres a lot of good or at least novel ideas on here that get squandered by bad execution.
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Post by PGriffin on Jun 28, 2024 2:18:17 GMT -5
I thought this would have been more Charli XCX but it’s serving Motomami. pretty when I cry is out of place but it’s my favorite so far alongside I Luv It. What does Hot Uptown sample. Those vocals sound familiar.
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Post by otaviohmg on Jun 28, 2024 8:38:36 GMT -5
Dream girls>>>>>
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Post by Ling-Ling on Jun 28, 2024 9:16:12 GMT -5
It's a mixed bag, but there's some good stuff on here! "He Knows," "Dade County Dreaming," "Hot Uptown," "Dream-Girls," and "Pretty When I Cry" are all very solid uptempos. And "Twentysomethings" is surprisingly pretty.
The mid. I like enough parts of "I Luv It" to use it, still a mess, but now an enjoyable mess. The sample on "BOAT" is kinda hilarious, but it works somehow? The song itself never quite lives up to the bizarre sample usage though.
The bad, the interludes, the only one that works is "pink xoxo," all the others halt the album for no reason, especially "Uuugly." Why is that on here other than a desperate ploy for streams? "Chanel No. 5" is AWFUUUUUUL. The intro, the off-key piano loop, the vocals and the lyrics are beyond putrid. Putting it second was such a bad move, like running face first into a brick wall right at the beginning of the album. And "June Gloom" is a total dud of a closer. I agree that it's disjointed, she just does not have the vision/chops of a Rosalia or a Charli. To pull off that hazy/unfinished vibe, it needed to flow seamlessly to work.
Lee kind of hit on this already, but can we talk about the timing of this album? Releasing Drake collabs NOW? Nabbing Lil Nas X after his public drubbing and floppage. And a City Girls collab now that they're broken up, like I CANNOT. What kind of bad luck? And worst of all, she released this right after BRAT. An album that's defining cool pop girl music across social media and the press. Makes Camila's Miami-edgy cosplay seem even more stilted, everything about this feels destined to be DOA.
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Post by popwizard on Jun 28, 2024 10:54:39 GMT -5
I love this album as a concept. The vibe, the first two singles actually and mainly some of the guest features and production on this album. I also like that it’s short - you can get your vibe and keep it moving. But somehow it doesn’t seem to really work? I think Camila’s voice is actually the worst thing about it - which is kind of ironic since it’s her album, she’s the weakest link.
I hope someone else does a Miami-inspired album that combines all the elements that make Miami unique. Interestingly enough there’s not much Latin-vibe on this which is very Miami and she could’ve added that to bring more of her identity into the mix. Either way, I’ll still be bumping this for the reasons mentioned.
Also, with all that marketing it’s not really popping on any charts.
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Post by Juan Carlos on Jun 28, 2024 12:04:31 GMT -5
This is so much better than I was expecting it to be honestly, but it falls flat (being inconsistent) at some parts. I think C,XOXO works as a whole project and it works listening to it from the beginning until the end, although I agree with some points some of you have made so far. • The interludes (or transitions) could be easily discarded as they don't offer anything exciting and tend to bore. • The sequence of "I Luv It" and "Chanel No.5" is strange, going from an uptempo to a midtempo in the beginning. The latter might be better in the end and not as the second song. • Although there were many comparisons of Camila with Charli XCX since the announcement of "I Luv It" because of the makeover, it makes clear that El Guincho's involvement was an attempt to replicate (or do something similar) to MOTOMAMI, Rosalía's latest album and I think it's shown in C,XOXO. However, it's not as good as the aforementioned. • I don't find anything wrong from Camila to take inspirations from Charli XCX and Rosalía because I liked that she took a risk with this album, but it didn't pay off. The bad, the interludes, the only one that works is "pink xoxo," all the others halt the album for no reason, especially "Uuugly." Why is that on here other than a desperate ploy for streams? It's been said that Drake sent "Uuugly" to Camila as the outro of "Hot Uptown", so both tracks should be together as a single track. However, due to streaming, it's possible that her team thought it was better to split them. That said, it should have been better to rename "Uuugly" to "Hot Uptown (Outro)" for consistency and to clarify the aforementioned, but it seems that this wasn't the case.
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Post by Choco on Jun 28, 2024 12:28:53 GMT -5
She's at a crossroads.
Does she want the hyperpop route and to become a Charli/Rosalia like critical darling? She needs to get better tracks. She wants commercial success? She needs to rework her entire sound once again and get some better PR because it feels like there's just a lot of... dislike... for her out there (hate is a strong word bc I don't think, sadly, anyone is even that passionate on their Camila dislike). Some choices are very confusing.
Good for her for getting a body of work out there though. And while it might not get any awards it doesn't seem to be getting any ridicule either compared to the lead single which honestly remains a bizarre choice.
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Post by clsvltn on Jun 28, 2024 12:54:32 GMT -5
There is real potential with the Drake song. It sounds like a lot of his past hits that were big on CHR and she sounds nice on it. It could be a decent summer hit for sure.
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Post by leonagwen on Jun 28, 2024 14:37:25 GMT -5
Pretty When I Cry is that song! Also B.O.A.T. and June Gloom. I wasnt crazy abour Hot Uptown when I firsr heard it but I'm sure it will grow on me. I would release Pretty When I Cry after Hot Uptown, then go with B.O.A.T. after that.
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