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Post by Limited Edition on Jul 29, 2023 8:41:10 GMT -5
Interesting how fast people have forgiven Travis even though he's shown no signs of remorse. What Morgan Wallen did wasn't anywhere near as bad as Travis, and he's actually shown signs of remorse, yet stan twitter and Pulse (to much lesser extent) despise him. Then there's Cardi B who drugged men and stole their money (1000x worse than Morgan), yet absolutely no one cared after a couple weeks. Nicki Minaj is terrible too but everyone is okay with her having a career.
What's the reason for this hypocrisy?
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jul 29, 2023 8:46:39 GMT -5
He had a similar interview for Twelve Cart Toothache. They both explain what he is going for at this point in his musical career.
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Post by lurker2 on Jul 29, 2023 8:59:02 GMT -5
Interesting how fast people have forgiven Travis even though he's shown no signs of remorse. What Morgan Wallen did wasn't anywhere near as bad as Travis, and he's actually shown signs of remorse, yet stan twitter and Pulse (to much lesser extent) despise him. Then there's Cardi B who drugged men and stole their money (1000x worse than Morgan), yet absolutely no one cared after a couple weeks. Nicki Minaj is terrible too but everyone is okay with her having a career. What's the reason for this hypocrisy? I think it's familiarity. Everyone knows a racist, and (I'd imagine) most people strongly dislike them. Wallen reminds them of that jackass who keeps making "dark humor" jokes. And even though he has shown remorse, people are pretty cynical about that in general - there's a whole PR industry to help with that, after all. Personally, I don't know anyone whose apathy to concert safety led them to unintentionally result in dozens of deaths. He's obviously kind of a shithead, but I imagine it's a less visceral feeling than people (especially POC) get toward those that remind them of people who mock them. Scott has a sliver of plausible deniability that he was unaware of how bad it was; he probably is just callous but one could say he was just incompetent. And at some level, I'm sure it's in part that Travis' music is more well liked. |
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Post by HamedM1 ๐ on Jul 29, 2023 9:03:22 GMT -5
Tbf I don't think any men have come forward or charges have been made against Cardi over that 2016 Instagram video so its all just hearsay at this point unless I missed some piece of news to point otherwise. Also pretty sure other people have been vocal about Travis, especially during the unfolding of the Astroworld disaster.
At the end of the day many listeners separate art from artist or pick certain cases to care. I personally blacklisted Travis from my Spotify but others have the right to listen to or to not listen to his music as they wish. Its not like people here are trying to silence anyone's listening habits. What you listen to isn't a reflection of what kind of person you are unless you closely choose to identify with artists you follow and their beliefs.
Racist also is a pretty big card to be dealt since it automatically taints your reputation for all poc. Travis can have plausible deniability over his nonsense since the blame is not entirely on his part (not that it means he should have gone unscathed by the tragedy), Cardi's thing has no concrete proof, and Nicki's choice in men that she loves and supports is terrible but as long as she isn't causing outright harm idc. Morgan isn't even losing anything since his incident, he got accepted back with even bigger open arms in fact and his career has only gone in an upward trajectory since.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2023 9:04:48 GMT -5
Interesting how fast people have forgiven Travis even though he's shown no signs of remorse. What Morgan Wallen did wasn't anywhere near as bad as Travis, and he's actually shown signs of remorse, yet stan twitter and Pulse (to much lesser extent) despise him. Then there's Cardi B who drugged men and stole their money (1000x worse than Morgan), yet absolutely no one cared after a couple weeks. Nicki Minaj is terrible too but everyone is okay with her having a career. What's the reason for this hypocrisy? Morgan Wallen is perched at #1 on the Hot 100 and has two albums stable at 40k and 100k units in the B200. It's not like he's struggling because a few loud people online didn't forgive him None of these acts were cancelled. As simple as that |
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Post by lazer on Jul 29, 2023 9:09:24 GMT -5
Interesting how fast people have forgiven Travis even though he's shown no signs of remorse. What Morgan Wallen did wasn't anywhere near as bad as Travis, and he's actually shown signs of remorse, yet stan twitter and Pulse (to much lesser extent) despise him. Then there's Cardi B who drugged men and stole their money (1000x worse than Morgan), yet absolutely no one cared after a couple weeks. Nicki Minaj is terrible too but everyone is okay with her having a career. What's the reason for this hypocrisy? While all have done bad mistakes, at the end of the day, itโs more about the music. Travis, Cardi, and Nicki make more interesting music than Morgan. |
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Post by After Minutes on Jul 29, 2023 9:20:03 GMT -5
I love how literally everywhere else the #1 debut off Utopia is either Meltdown or Hyaena but in Poland it's FE!N
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Post by enwhy on Jul 29, 2023 9:31:17 GMT -5
Interesting how fast people have forgiven Travis even though he's shown no signs of remorse. What Morgan Wallen did wasn't anywhere near as bad as Travis, and he's actually shown signs of remorse, yet stan twitter and Pulse (to much lesser extent) despise him. Then there's Cardi B who drugged men and stole their money (1000x worse than Morgan), yet absolutely no one cared after a couple weeks. Nicki Minaj is terrible too but everyone is okay with her having a career. What's the reason for this hypocrisy? I remember when the Astroworld incident happened, a lot of his fans were saying he couldn't apologize and say what he wanted to because it would risk legal liability. But here we are several years later, with most/all the litigation over with, and he's still barely shown any remorse. His team tried to throw some money at the problem early on and now it's as if it never happened. This is why we should laugh at people who ramble on about cancel culture, because it's mostly made up. The only celebrities getting "cancelled" are those who commit actual crimes, and even then... |
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Post by rainygirl on Jul 29, 2023 9:38:07 GMT -5
Chris Brown never got cancelled even after we all saw proof of what he did to Rihanna. I agree that nobody gets canceled . Not music artists or actors or even athletes who beat their wives
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Post by neel on Jul 29, 2023 9:58:13 GMT -5
Interesting how fast people have forgiven Travis even though he's shown no signs of remorse. What Morgan Wallen did wasn't anywhere near as bad as Travis, and he's actually shown signs of remorse, yet stan twitter and Pulse (to much lesser extent) despise him. Then there's Cardi B who drugged men and stole their money (1000x worse than Morgan), yet absolutely no one cared after a couple weeks. Nicki Minaj is terrible too but everyone is okay with her having a career. What's the reason for this hypocrisy? Itโs easier to know why once you look at their skin colors. |
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Post by iHype. on Jul 29, 2023 10:06:36 GMT -5
'DELRESTO' is the 11th most streamed song first day on Apple Music, and the 8th most streamed song first day on Spotify even with Today's Top Hits placement.
Was definitely one of the most odd choices to be a planned single and will likely be cancelled.
I'm also wondering if it wasn't even meant to be a single, but instead, Beyonce only greenlit the song if she'd be credited so they had to do a standalone with crediting to not mess with the tracklist flow?
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Post by dovahduck on Jul 29, 2023 10:07:00 GMT -5
Interesting how fast people have forgiven Travis even though he's shown no signs of remorse. What Morgan Wallen did wasn't anywhere near as bad as Travis, and he's actually shown signs of remorse, yet stan twitter and Pulse (to much lesser extent) despise him. Then there's Cardi B who drugged men and stole their money (1000x worse than Morgan), yet absolutely no one cared after a couple weeks. Nicki Minaj is terrible too but everyone is okay with her having a career. What's the reason for this hypocrisy? Itโs easier to know why once you look at their skin colors. Excuse me but what is your problem? Itโs getting so irritating seeing all these little racially insensitive idiots in here. Especially since the Wallen incident. |
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jul 29, 2023 10:11:47 GMT -5
Interesting how fast people have forgiven Travis even though he's shown no signs of remorse. What Morgan Wallen did wasn't anywhere near as bad as Travis, and he's actually shown signs of remorse, yet stan twitter and Pulse (to much lesser extent) despise him. Then there's Cardi B who drugged men and stole their money (1000x worse than Morgan), yet absolutely no one cared after a couple weeks. Nicki Minaj is terrible too but everyone is okay with her having a career. What's the reason for this hypocrisy? Itโs easier to know why once you look at their skin colors. Where the hell did this colorblind racism come from? |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jul 29, 2023 10:19:42 GMT -5
Last Night got a -1.55 kworb's daily change in radio audience.
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Post by samo๐ฆ on Jul 29, 2023 10:24:06 GMT -5
Last Night got a -1.55 kworb's daily change in radio audience. praying this means something stable will be able to overtake it in the coming weeks (Fast Car and Cruel Summer would both make for excellent #1s imo) |
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Post by atg on Jul 29, 2023 10:35:26 GMT -5
I truly thought Astroworld concert in was going to be a career killer for him, intresting to say the least. No doubts about Post anymore, his time as a top artist is unfortunately done but he sure made the most of it. Yeah his run from 2017-2019 was crazy. I wonโt be surprised if โI Like Youโ ends up being his most recent Top 10 hit with staying power years from now and โCirclesโ ends up being his last big solo hit. Itโs crazy that the biggest mistake that Post did, was take a break. Ever since Circles fell off the charts it wasnโt the same. His dominant run involved him dropping back to back albums overlapping eras and the moment he stopped doing that, same goes his time at the top unfortunately as well. |
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Post by HamedM1 ๐ on Jul 29, 2023 10:36:03 GMT -5
Interesting how fast people have forgiven Travis even though he's shown no signs of remorse. What Morgan Wallen did wasn't anywhere near as bad as Travis, and he's actually shown signs of remorse, yet stan twitter and Pulse (to much lesser extent) despise him. Then there's Cardi B who drugged men and stole their money (1000x worse than Morgan), yet absolutely no one cared after a couple weeks. Nicki Minaj is terrible too but everyone is okay with her having a career. What's the reason for this hypocrisy? Itโs easier to know why once you look at their skin colors. Idk what made you think any of that was ok to post because it sure as hell ain't. Look at you defending the poor oppressed white man. Race ain't the reason for the formulation of opinions on artists in the face of controversy, you think people forgave R. Kelly cause he's a poc? Cut the nonsense and make a constructive comment instead of this baseless and inherently racist train of thought. |
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Post by wavey. on Jul 29, 2023 10:38:21 GMT -5
Oh boy.๐ฎโ๐จ we are NOT about to have another week of this shit. Especially with this skin color mess.
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Post by dremolus - solarpunk on Jul 29, 2023 10:42:56 GMT -5
Interesting how fast people have forgiven Travis even though he's shown no signs of remorse. What Morgan Wallen did wasn't anywhere near as bad as Travis, and he's actually shown signs of remorse, yet stan twitter and Pulse (to much lesser extent) despise him. Then there's Cardi B who drugged men and stole their money (1000x worse than Morgan), yet absolutely no one cared after a couple weeks. Nicki Minaj is terrible too but everyone is okay with her having a career. What's the reason for this hypocrisy? I think it's familiarity. Everyone knows a racist, and (I'd imagine) most people strongly dislike them. Wallen reminds them of that jackass who keeps making "dark humor" jokes. And even though he has shown remorse, people are pretty cynical about that in general - there's a whole PR industry to help with that, after all. Personally, I don't know anyone whose apathy to concert safety led them to unintentionally result in dozens of deaths. He's obviously kind of a shithead, but I imagine it's a less visceral feeling than people (especially POC) get toward those that remind them of people who mock them. Scott has a sliver of plausible deniability that he was unaware of how bad it was; he probably is just callous but one could say he was just incompetent. And at some level, I'm sure it's in part that Travis' music is more well liked. Morality is a complicated thing, even when there's an objectively wrong doing at the hand of someone, and it's muddled when people get enjoyment either directly or indirectly from a product someone produces. I sincerely believe no one wants to support/consume something from a bad person or tries to defend any heinous action they've done (and I'm at least glad I've seen no one defend Travis' irresponsibility from the ASTROWORLD incident) but the culture of art and entertainment we've grown up in makes that hard. The line of where the art is separated from the artist is always different for some people. It's the Michael Jackson / Roman Polanski question all over again: the degree on where you can separate an artist from art is up to your own personal philosophy, and it's never perfect or concrete. I'm not trying to pass judgment on those who have or haven't boycotted Travis - nor am I at all going to say we give him a pass (the same goes for Wallen), although I will say: it is possible to both condone the producer while still saying you enjoy product. Just for a broader and international example, people still adore and watch the World Cup but no one is going to defend all the crimes and sportswashing FIFA has done. Such is the comedy of human life. |
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Post by ๏ผณ๏ฝ๏ฝ๏ฝ๏ฝ๏ฝ๏ฝ๐ค๏ฝ๏ฝ on Jul 29, 2023 12:34:45 GMT -5
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Post by Music Fan on Jul 29, 2023 12:52:07 GMT -5
I truly thought Astroworld concert in was going to be a career killer for him, intresting to say the least. It should have been. The hypocrisy of some of you in this thread is showing ... and it's not cute. I'd think having a part in the killing of 10 people is one of the worse things. But apparently, many people wouldn't agree. Anyway -- keeping it on track with this actual week. Rooting for Post Malone to be steady and not have huge drops. |
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Post by think pink. on Jul 29, 2023 13:04:27 GMT -5
K-Pop only on pace to debut at #10 is crazy to me when the worlds two biggest artists are featured on it. Granted, the song stinks. But I thought the names alone would easily carry it to #1 or top 3.
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Post by slw84 on Jul 29, 2023 13:12:41 GMT -5
Rooting for Meltdown...Last night had it's time.
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Jul 29, 2023 13:28:05 GMT -5
Real radio decreases, multiple songs above it on Spotify and AM, multiple songs coming for the throneโฆ. Were in the endgame of Last Night yโall. We can almost close this chapter of the book.
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Post by neel on Jul 29, 2023 13:38:13 GMT -5
LMFAO, "Utopia" probably debuts with 500k-1M sales. Don't know why I lowball predictions for it. Generally hope "TILL FUTHER NOTICE" becomes a hit, my favorite off the album rn.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jul 29, 2023 13:48:15 GMT -5
Drake's about to gift Travis another hit record he doesn't get credit for. Yikes. FE!N also looks like it'll end up being the "big hit" off the album (if the album gets such a thing).
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Post by neel on Jul 29, 2023 13:53:16 GMT -5
Drake's about to gift Travis another hit record he doesn't get credit for. Yikes. FE!N also looks like it'll end up being the "big hit" off the album (if the album gets such a thing). It's funny, if Drake was credited on "SICKO MODE", Katy's 69 week record already would've been broken. And The Weeknd probably would've broken it in 2021 too had it not been for the annual Christmas freeze. |
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Post by After Minutes on Jul 29, 2023 14:02:24 GMT -5
I feel like the album has 5-6 songs that may become hits and could make the YE had they been released earlier
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Post by musiclife on Jul 29, 2023 14:06:15 GMT -5
I truly thought Astroworld concert in was going to be a career killer for him, intresting to say the least. It should have been. The hypocrisy of some of you in this thread is showing ... and it's not cute. I'd think having a part in the killing of 10 people is one of the worse things. But apparently, many people wouldn't agree. Anyway -- keeping it on track with this actual week. Rooting for Post Malone to be steady and not have huge drops. Biggest hypocrisy ever. Guy kept his concert going as people were dying.. yet he is supported. It's disgusting |
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Post by shadowthehedgehogfan on Jul 29, 2023 14:16:09 GMT -5
I truly thought Astroworld concert in was going to be a career killer for him, intresting to say the least. No doubts about Post anymore, his time as a top artist is unfortunately done but he sure made the most of it. it's weird. Travis gets to recover his career after causingt the deaths of 8 ppl, but Brandy's career was ended by her car accident |
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