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Post by 14887fan on Nov 8, 2023 23:03:07 GMT -5
Hopefully folks can find a way to try and carry joy for Lainey in accomplishing such a big feat, while also holding space for the absolute manic injustice that the CMA served to the likes of Miranda, Carrie, and even Kacey.
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Post by countrymancarriefan on Nov 8, 2023 23:03:28 GMT -5
Eww. I’m happy a female finally won. That’s amazing. But let’s be real, that’s such a slap in Carrie and Miranda’s faces.
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Post by Sugar Rush on Nov 8, 2023 23:17:22 GMT -5
Hopefully folks can find a way to try and carry joy for Lainey in accomplishing such a big feat, while also holding space for the absolute manic injustice that the CMA served to the likes of Miranda, Carrie, and even Kacey. This is mainly how I feel. Lainey has performed daily, and has worked her ass off. I think she is the embodiment of true country music, and has the spirit reminiscent of the icons we saw in the 80s/90s - and definitely 100% support this win. However, Miranda, Carrie, Kacey.. hell even an argument could've been made for Faith Hill during 'Breathe', all were shunned and ignored. Again, I'm happy that Lainey won and we finally have another female EoTY winner after more than a decade. But I feel so bad for the likes of other female artists who absolutely deserved it as well.
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Post by someguy on Nov 8, 2023 23:21:33 GMT -5
I agree. I’m thrilled for Lainey, but it’s just sad that Faith, Miranda, Carrie and others haven’t gotten the win. That’s nothing against Lainey though.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Nov 8, 2023 23:43:02 GMT -5
Hopefully we see another female win before 2035.
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Post by Sugar Rush on Nov 8, 2023 23:55:36 GMT -5
Hopefully we see another female win before 2035. I don’t think we will unless it’s Lainey again TBH.
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Post by jab820 on Nov 8, 2023 23:59:19 GMT -5
Here to make the potentially unpopular statement that Lainey didn’t deserve the win. - Luke & Morgan stadium tours - Carrie Vegas residency
Lainey has 2 solo #1 BB hits and has been opening for other acts all summer. Her headlining stadium tour *will* be great, but that’s a 2024 and 2025 discussion. She is at risk of peaking too early.
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Post by recordyear on Nov 9, 2023 0:07:24 GMT -5
iTunes boost: Songs: 1 +18 Chris Stapleton - White Horse 11 +13 Jelly Roll - Need A Favor 12 +24 Luke Combs - Fast Car 18 +61 Luke Combs - Where the Wild Things Are 23 NEW Lainey Wilson - Wildflowers and Wild Horses 24 +39 Cody Johnson - The Painter 25 NEW Jordan Davis - Next Thing You Know 26 NEW Dan + Shay - Save Me The Trouble 27 NEW Morgan Wallen - Man Made A Bar (feat. Eric Church) 29 +55 Lainey Wilson - Watermelon Moonshine 30 NEW Carly Pearce - We Don't Fight Anymore (feat. Chris Stapleton) 33+56 NEW Ashley McBryde - Light On In The Kitchen 35 NEW Kelsea Ballerini - Leave Me Again 37 NEW Old Dominion & Megan Moroney - Can't Break Up Now 38 +119 HARDY & Lainey Wilson - wait in the truck 44 NEW Lainey Wilson - Heart Like A Truck 46 +41 Jelly Roll - Son Of A Sinner 53 NEW Tracy Chapman - Fast Car 57 +23 Chris Stapleton - Tennessee Whiskey 63 NEW Megan Moroney - Tennessee Orange 75 NEW Luke Bryan - One Margarita 87 NEW The War and Treaty - That's How Love Is Made 94 +30 Chris Stapleton - Think I'm In Love With You
Albums: 3 +1 Cody Johnson - Leather 6 +59 Lainey Wilson - Bell Bottom Country 12 +14 Jelly Roll - Whitsitt Chapel
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Post by fridayteenage on Nov 9, 2023 1:25:25 GMT -5
hmm, her album peak so far is #51?
interesting time to finally go with another female winner.
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Post by Troublemaker on Nov 9, 2023 1:51:01 GMT -5
She is at risk of peaking too early. This is really my major concern for her because outside of few people who pay attention to charts and listen to radio, she’s still relatively unknown to most. Unless of course she gets catapulted to the very top of the game because of last night’s wins.
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Post by Music Fan on Nov 9, 2023 1:58:41 GMT -5
I love the praise that Lainey has been receiving because I do love her music. But she did not deserve Entertainer of the Year for a myriad of reasons. First, as many of you have mentioned, Carrie and Miranda have literally fought tooth and nail to be potential EOY winners and the CMA has paid them dust. Lainey has the critic support and genre respect, but has not done what Carrie and Miranda did during the very years they were true deserving of the EOY award. Second, entertainer of the year encompasses (or should) not only critic support and genre respect, but sales, hits, and above all the ability to BE an entertainer and ENTERTAIN the masses. Morgan has broken not only country records, but general all-genre records in the past year, and has had the most successful and large tour in Country music. Carrie had her residency. And Lainey actually was the opening act for another of the nominees' stadium tour: Luke Combs. Again, opening act.
Looks like Twitter is also not too happy with Lainey's win. Although they're clearly being more cruel about it.
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Post by 14887fan on Nov 9, 2023 2:21:26 GMT -5
All but 2 winners (Old Dominion and Jelly Roll) are repped by WME. A very strong indication of where the heaviest voting bloc remains.
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Post by recordyear on Nov 9, 2023 2:53:42 GMT -5
Looks like Twitter is also not too happy with Lainey's win. Although they're clearly being more cruel about it. Please will Twitter be happy when anyone won an award😂 All but 2 winners (Old Dominion and Jelly Roll) are repped by WME. A very strong indication of where the heaviest voting bloc remains. Old Dominion literally has no competition and Jelly Roll (and technically Lainey Wilson) is heavily pushed on (social) media where you can see at least one news item about them every day. In this increasingly fragmented country music listeners world, they will receive the benefits from constant exposure. Quote this when Jelly Roll wins Entertainer of the Year next year.
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Post by ¤ Matthea ¤ on Nov 9, 2023 4:10:02 GMT -5
We can all be happy that a woman won big, including the EOTY award. However, it's also right to acknowledge that Lainey won more than Carrie or Miranda ever did and with just a fraction of their success. This just isn't right, sorry.
Meanwhile, the guy that currently rules the genre commercially got snubbed.
It's really hard to take this awards show seriously in any way.
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Post by daddy on Nov 9, 2023 5:04:31 GMT -5
What’s wild to me is I love so many female country artists. I don’t even listen to most of the stuff by the males tbh. But aside from Watermelon Moonshine, I just CAN’T get into Lainey. And I’ve tried so hard. I get that different females within the genre can make different styles of music, but I’m just having such a hard time getting into her.
She announced a concert near me next year, so I’ll go in open minded.
But it’s hard for me - as a fan of so many other deserving females who have been in the game much longer - for the CMAs to FINALLY award this to a female artist that I just don’t really like 🥲
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Post by matty005 on Nov 9, 2023 6:37:37 GMT -5
I get where everyone is coming from. But instead of looking at it as a bad thing, I hope Carrie and Miranda realize the doors they opened for these younger female artists.
I feel like two things can be true.
1. Carrie and Miranda have been screwed out of this award.
2. Lainey deserved to win (these awards are all so subjective so I feel like she deserved to win).
If we have to wait for another female artist to reach the level of Carrie or Miranda there’s a chance a female artist will never win this award. So maybe last night was a step in the right direction. Maybe because of C and M females will have a better chance of winning this award without having to reach the insane levels that Carrie and Miranda did.
Is that fair to C and M? Nope. But I compare it to the student debt relief. Is it fair to me that I had to pay off my debt while others might not have to? No. But that doesn’t mean I want others to suffer as well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2023 6:52:26 GMT -5
Here to make the potentially unpopular statement that Lainey didn’t deserve the win. - Luke & Morgan stadium tours - Carrie Vegas residency Lainey has 2 solo #1 BB hits and has been opening for other acts all summer. Her headlining stadium tour *will* be great, but that’s a 2024 and 2025 discussion. She is at risk of peaking too early. It shouldn’t be unpopular. Anyone with a brain can see that Morgan & Luke had way more success this year than Lainey. I love LW but it’s way to soon for her to be winning EOTY. She has yet to have a headlining tour.
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Post by travelrocks24 on Nov 9, 2023 7:18:36 GMT -5
Here to make the potentially unpopular statement that Lainey didn’t deserve the win. - Luke & Morgan stadium tours - Carrie Vegas residency Lainey has 2 solo #1 BB hits and has been opening for other acts all summer. Her headlining stadium tour *will* be great, but that’s a 2024 and 2025 discussion. She is at risk of peaking too early. I thought Lainey did a headlining tour at various clubs this year.
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Post by matty005 on Nov 9, 2023 7:30:33 GMT -5
Here to make the potentially unpopular statement that Lainey didn’t deserve the win. - Luke & Morgan stadium tours - Carrie Vegas residency Lainey has 2 solo #1 BB hits and has been opening for other acts all summer. Her headlining stadium tour *will* be great, but that’s a 2024 and 2025 discussion. She is at risk of peaking too early. It shouldn’t be unpopular. Anyone with a brain can see that Morgan & Luke had way more success this year than Lainey. I love LW but it’s way to soon for her to be winning EOTY. She has yet to have a headlining tour. I get it. I do. But this award is very subjective. Kenny is going on a stadium tour again next year and I doubt he will even get a nomination. There is no criteria so it's hard to pinpoint exactly what wins it for people.
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Post by thewp on Nov 9, 2023 7:39:33 GMT -5
People bitched when it was about touring (Garth) and are now bitching when it’s not (Lainey). The criteria is representing country music, and maybe the voters thought she did it best.
MW is not popular with the voters, Luke already won, Carrie should have won, but maybe her time is over, Chris, idk maybe he’s just too low key.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Nov 9, 2023 7:59:38 GMT -5
People bitched when it was about touring (Garth) and are now bitching when it’s not (Lainey). The criteria is representing country music, and maybe the voters thought she did it best. MW is not popular with the voters, Luke already won, Carrie should have won, but maybe her time is over, Chris, idk maybe he’s just too low key. Garth released no new music (nothing worth noting) for his final three wins. It wasn’t about his touring, it was (for me) that he was supporting decades-old music and winning over people who released albums of new material — who were also touring. To come back from “retirement” and completely thwart EOTY dreams of current talent on three different occasions, purposefully, to get to “lucky #7” is fucked up. I say that as someone who went to his show in 2015 and grew up on his music. This year is different entirely. Garth winning, though questionable, was somewhat logical. He’s the legacy act of all legacy acts. His name in that category can never be counted out. Conversely, Lainey moved to Nashville when Carrie and Miranda were reaching heights that she hasn’t had enough time to even try yet… This year specifically was huge for Lainey but she wasn’t even the biggest act overall, and not nearly as big as Carrie or Miranda at any given time from 2005-2020ish.. Carrie & Miranda were at the top of the heap every year consistently, and maintained that level despite diminishing radio support into the 2020s. It feels wrong all in the same, but for completely different and justified reasons.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2023 8:36:26 GMT -5
It shouldn’t be unpopular. Anyone with a brain can see that Morgan & Luke had way more success this year than Lainey. I love LW but it’s way to soon for her to be winning EOTY. She has yet to have a headlining tour. I get it. I do. But this award is very subjective. Kenny is going on a stadium tour again next year and I doubt he will even get a nomination. There is no criteria so it's hard to pinpoint exactly what wins it for people. So is George Strait and neither him or Kenny should be nominated just like it was ridiculous when Garth won when he released no new music at all. When Luke & Morgan sell out 70k seat stadium shows, have songs that stay at #1 for months, out stream everyone by miles…..It kinda makes the voters look ridiculous and maybe the CMA’s should re-evaluate how they do the voting process. Maybe do 50% based of statistics and 50% based on votes.
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Post by McCreerian on Nov 9, 2023 8:50:02 GMT -5
I get it. I do. But this award is very subjective. Kenny is going on a stadium tour again next year and I doubt he will even get a nomination. There is no criteria so it's hard to pinpoint exactly what wins it for people. So is George Strait and neither him or Kenny should be nominated just like it was ridiculous when Garth won when he released no new music at all. When Luke & Morgan sell out 70k seat stadium shows, have songs that stay at #1 for months, out stream everyone by miles…..It kinda makes the voters look ridiculous and maybe the CMA’s should re-evaluate how they do the voting process. Maybe do 50% based of statistics and 50% based on votes. Both "Last Night" and "Fast Car" were the biggest singles of the year. But "Last Night" was just a bit bigger but got zero nominations. The CMAs just don't really make any logical sense. I love Lainey and am happy for her, but I do think this was way too early for that kind of win. Also yes it was a slap in the face to Carrie and Miranda who both deserved it in the last decade in the years Garth kept getting it.
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Post by austin on Nov 9, 2023 10:07:06 GMT -5
Lainey was a super deserving nominee and while it feels a year early, I am so happy for her, with the year she had. Like I mentioned before, Lainey can't be penalized for being just a few singles in because of how slow the charts move now vs the 90s and early 2000s. Also her speech was amazing.
That said, these awards really have never meant all that much, and fans should care a lot less about them. Shania Twain, the biggest or second biggest (Garth) touring artist maybe in the history of the genre at her peak, won this award - and was nominated for it - exactly once. It's just all who kisses who's butt. Don't worry about it.
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Post by zdm1998 on Nov 9, 2023 10:48:25 GMT -5
Here to make the potentially unpopular statement that Lainey didn’t deserve the win. - Luke & Morgan stadium tours - Carrie Vegas residency Lainey has 2 solo #1 BB hits and has been opening for other acts all summer. Her headlining stadium tour *will* be great, but that’s a 2024 and 2025 discussion. She is at risk of peaking too early. Carrie's entire arena tour fell within eligibility period. And almost every show was sold out or damn near close to being. We also don't talk about Carrie's SNF gig enough, she literally trends almost every Sunday by the public praising her.
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Post by matty005 on Nov 9, 2023 10:56:35 GMT -5
Lainey was a super deserving nominee and while it feels a year early, I am so happy for her, with the year she had. Like I mentioned before, Lainey can't be penalized for being just a few singles in because of how slow the charts move now vs the 90s and early 2000s. Also her speech was amazing. That said, these awards really have never meant all that much, and fans should care a lot less about them. Shania Twain, the biggest or second biggest (Garth) touring artist maybe in the history of the genre at her peak, won this award - and was nominated for it - exactly once. It's just all who kisses who's butt. Don't worry about it. This needs to be pinned at the top of every CMA Award thread moving forward. 100% spot on.
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Post by The Brazilian Guy 🇧🇷 on Nov 9, 2023 12:32:31 GMT -5
Regarding Lainey's win in EotY, I wonder if there isn't also an element of her just being the more "palatable" female artist that Nashville has been waiting for a while now. After Carrie and Miranda ruling the female country scene, the next big breakouts were Kacey and Maren, both with very strong opinions and divisive personas, that despite being perfect fits for an EotY nomination at their peak (they even lead nominations at one point), couldn't even get to the second round of voting in some years despite winning every other award they could have throughout the years (new artist, female vocalist, album, song, single, video, etc.). I feel like Nashville has been craving for a "safer" option (someone the general country audience could get behind without much "controversy") to fill the Carrie/Miranda "slot" now that they are older (which is another big problem, but I'll try to stay on topic here). I also felt that they tried it with Carly a little bit, and then Lainey started getting traction, and they saw her as a more viable option. I don't know if I'm making sense here, but I get this feeling that the industry is really trying for her to breakout big and that's their way of helping her get attention, and I'm not saying this a criticism (I'm really happy to see another female winning), but I think it could help explain a bit why she's getting this so early in her career despite not having big sales, big fanbase or even big touring stats to back it up.
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Post by Music Fan on Nov 9, 2023 17:26:08 GMT -5
Regarding Lainey's win in EotY, I wonder if there isn't also an element of her just being the more "palatable" female artist that Nashville has been waiting for a while now. After Carrie and Miranda ruling the female country scene, the next big breakouts were Kacey and Maren, both with very strong opinions and divisive personas, that despite being perfect fits for an EotY nomination at their peak (they even lead nominations at one point), couldn't even get to the second round of voting in some years despite winning every other award they could have throughout the years (new artist, female vocalist, album, song, single, video, etc.). I feel like Nashville has been craving for a "safer" option (someone the general country audience could get behind without much "controversy") to fill the Carrie/Miranda "slot" now that they are older (which is another big problem, but I'll try to stay on topic here). I also felt that they tried it with Carly a little bit, and then Lainey started getting traction, and they saw her as a more viable option. I don't know if I'm making sense here, but I get this feeling that the industry is really trying for her to breakout big and that's their way of helping her get attention, and I'm not saying this a criticism (I'm really happy to see another female winning), but I think it could help explain a bit why she's getting this so early in her career despite not having big sales, big fanbase or even big touring stats to back it up. You're not wrong. Lainey's praise is the industry's way of saying, "Look, we support women!" So, in a way I see her win as a response to the years of criticism for no EOY in for Carrie and Miranda. But the CMA's just look stupid by doing this because (1) Lainey was not deserving (2) and the industry is again pushing women to the back of the pack when the support is only for one, but not for all (or at least many women). Again, I'm conflicted because I do love Lainey and I think she's deserving of all the praise she has received. I just don't think she's deserving of this award. My biggest thing is she's a few singles in AND she was an opening act during the eligibility period.
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Post by travelrocks24 on Nov 9, 2023 18:58:51 GMT -5
There was an article this week in The Washington Post about Lainey. The article is through a paywall or I would provide it. Some of her backstory is provided but the article seems to be missing a majority of her Nashville journey.
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Post by Typo on Nov 9, 2023 19:45:18 GMT -5
2nd lowest rated CMA broadcast of all-time in terms of total viewers - barely ahead of 2021. Among the key 18-49 demo, the broadcast hit an all-time low.
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