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Post by raylatch98 on Nov 3, 2023 12:46:53 GMT -5
Already up to #54 on its second week on the chart. I know the start wasn't the most ideal but this has started gaining traction the last couple of weeks so I am feeling a lot better about this song's prospects.
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Post by countryfan43 on Nov 3, 2023 20:18:02 GMT -5
This is way too catchy to not be a high charting song. I don’t think it will climb extremely fast but I think this puts Lauren back on the map in a big way.
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Post by recordyear on Nov 3, 2023 21:34:00 GMT -5
I think there is a chance that they may add back the featuring Lainey Wilson version later when Save Me finishes its run on country radio.
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Post by zdm1998 on Nov 4, 2023 5:07:47 GMT -5
My station has been playing the Lainey version. I guess they don’t care lol.
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Post by jab820 on Nov 6, 2023 18:17:11 GMT -5
My station has been playing the Lainey version. I guess they don’t care lol. What might actually be a brilliant move behind Lauren's new team is that whether stations play her solo version or Lainey's version, the credit goes to Lauren as a solo act; something she needs very badly. I am really rooting for her here.
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Post by raylatch98 on Dec 8, 2023 16:41:14 GMT -5
Unfortunately this fell out of the Billboard Top 60 this week. What's also not helping is that hasn't gotten any adds the last 2 weeks. It's still being promoted by the label but things aren't as great as they should be. Here's hoping for a turnaround come the new year.
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Post by bdrm87 on Dec 9, 2023 11:06:42 GMT -5
The spins and especially audience have really been dropping for this one this week. I’m holding onto a sliver of hope that it can get back on track in the new year, but the huge drops combined with the very sporadic adds since the add date have me feeling pretty pessimistic at the moment.
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Post by zdm1998 on Dec 9, 2023 12:38:47 GMT -5
For some reason I feel like this will make the top 20. Maybe they’ll push the Lainey version at the start of the year when “Save Me” is dropping.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Dec 12, 2023 19:40:23 GMT -5
Unless they make a splashy re-release at the top of the year and reintroduce it to country radio as a duet with Lainey Wilson like it should've been all along..., then I say they're best off just sweeping this under the rug and pretending it never happened and try again with something new in a few months.
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Post by raylatch98 on Dec 12, 2023 19:50:35 GMT -5
Unless they make a splashy re-release at the top of the year and reintroduce it to country radio as a duet with Lainey Wilson like it should've been all along..., then I say they're best off just sweeping this under the rug and pretending it never happened and try again with something new in a few months. Yeah the fact this didn't get any adds yesterday when it seemed like there was adds a plenty, makes me think they should probably abandon ship sooner than later.
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Post by countryfan43 on Dec 12, 2023 19:59:57 GMT -5
This is really disappointing to see it doing so badly. I feel like Lauren is a great person and this was a catchy fun song so to see it not even get top 50 potentially is sad.
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Post by austin on Dec 13, 2023 14:40:36 GMT -5
Radio just has no interest in Lauren, its sad to say. All her songs flop at this point, even when they are really good. She has one hit in her career, and it was because of OTV. I just don't think its ever happening with her. Great voice, but radio isn't going to be a part of her story.
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Post by zdm1998 on Dec 13, 2023 15:14:09 GMT -5
Idk I don’t feel like they put their best foot forward making this a single with it being a solo. Had they had Lainey on it from the jump with radio, I feel like it would’ve had a better start.
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Post by jab820 on Dec 13, 2023 16:38:36 GMT -5
Radio just has no interest in Lauren, its sad to say. All her songs flop at this point, even when they are really good. She has one hit in her career, and it was because of OTV. I just don't think its ever happening with her. Great voice, but radio isn't going to be a part of her story. I think it's this, sadly. Her time has come and gone over and over. When "Doin' Fine" didn't do much after a #1 and the lead for LA3 "Ladies in the 90s" did nothing, that was the writing on the wall. It is interesting that her last two singles "Getting Good" (2019) and "Getting Over Him" (2020) both made top 30 and this couldn't even make top 50 WITH the new label, but any of us really could have saw this coming. Big Loud has one more try with her before they shift her away from being a radio artist, I think.
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Post by bdrm87 on Dec 13, 2023 18:43:38 GMT -5
Idk I don’t feel like they put their best foot forward making this a single with it being a solo. Had they had Lainey on it from the jump with radio, I feel like it would’ve had a better start. I think it’s true that the song would be doing better if they’d released the duet version, but if at this point in her career she needs a bigger name to prop her up to get a hit, I don’t really see the point. I have to say…I’m not that impressed with what Big Loud has done with her thus far. They talked a big game about making her the superstar she deserves to be or whatever, but the EP they released wasn’t anything special IMO, and from what I can see they’ve put almost no effort into actually promoting her. Now she’s going to open for Jason Aldean, putting her in the same position she was in 10 years ago. I had high hopes when she signed with them, but so far I almost feel like things were better for her with UMG. As a big fan it’s all just really frustrating to watch.
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Post by austin on Dec 13, 2023 22:27:56 GMT -5
Idk I don’t feel like they put their best foot forward making this a single with it being a solo. Had they had Lainey on it from the jump with radio, I feel like it would’ve had a better start. I mean, yes, the song works better as a duet, but her getting a hit just by using Lainey’s name just means the follow up would peak at #39, like the rest of her solo single career. I just don’t think radio cares about her.
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Post by lipe on Dec 14, 2023 7:55:13 GMT -5
Idk I don’t feel like they put their best foot forward making this a single with it being a solo. Had they had Lainey on it from the jump with radio, I feel like it would’ve had a better start. I think it’s true that the song would be doing better if they’d released the duet version, but if at this point in her career she needs a bigger name to prop her up to get a hit, I don’t really see the point. I have to say…I’m not that impressed with what Big Loud has done with her thus far. They talked a big game about making her the superstar she deserves to be or whatever, but the EP they released wasn’t anything special IMO, and from what I can see they’ve put almost no effort into actually promoting her. Now she’s going to open for Jason Aldean, putting her in the same position she was in 10 years ago. I had high hopes when she signed with them, but so far I almost feel like things were better for her with UMG. As a big fan it’s all just really frustrating to watch. Yeah, I expected a much bigger rollout for her in BMG in general. I'm definetly not impressed. But I do hope they don't give up just yet. I feel dumb at this point, because even though I always get disappointed about how radio treats her, I still get hopeful before every single release, including this. and now here I am hoping the next one does better too. smh
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Post by zdm1998 on Dec 14, 2023 8:15:24 GMT -5
Idk I don’t feel like they put their best foot forward making this a single with it being a solo. Had they had Lainey on it from the jump with radio, I feel like it would’ve had a better start. I mean, yes, the song works better as a duet, but her getting a hit just by using Lainey’s name just means the follow up would peak at #39, like the rest of her solo single career. I just don’t think radio cares about her. I see what you're saying, but it still is the best chance to attempt to gain some momentum, and hope it lasts with the following releases. Much like happened with Carly Pearce, and "I Hope You're Happy Now," after her single "Closer To You" underperformed.
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Post by raylatch98 on Dec 14, 2023 8:19:53 GMT -5
I do wanna fight back against the notion that country radio doesn't like Lauren Alaina, as while this song is struggling to gain much traction, I checked on AllAccess and the stations that are playing it are playing it more than last week, and this song had a pretty good add date with nearly 40 adds on add week.
I feel like if country radio didn't like Lauren Alaina this would have gotten less than 20 adds on add week or something.
Heck this song has only been out for 3 months and given how long chart runs are nowadays, that's not that long.
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Post by austin on Dec 14, 2023 9:50:07 GMT -5
I mean, yes, the song works better as a duet, but her getting a hit just by using Lainey’s name just means the follow up would peak at #39, like the rest of her solo single career. I just don’t think radio cares about her. I see what you're saying, but it still is the best chance to attempt to gain some momentum, and hope it lasts with the following releases. Much like happened with Carly Pearce, and "I Hope You're Happy Now," after her single "Closer To You" underperformed. Totally understand. I think the big difference here is that Carly flopped because she released the worst single of her career in "Closer to You", and then followed it up with the best work of her entire career over the last 3 years, some of which are literally going to go down as Country Gold hits over the next few decades. Lauren, meanwhile, released an objectively poor followup ("Doin' Fine"), sure, but then delivered some really, really strong singles in "Ladies in the '90s", "Getting Good", and "Getting Over Him" - and radio said "nah, no thanks." "Ladies in the 90s" not being a Top 10 hit really is all we need to know about her chances going forward. Radio just does not care about her, there is literally ZERO evidence that they do. I should clarify that I am by no means saying Lauren or her label should throw in the towel on her, I am just saying radio is never going to play her at the volume needed for her to become a superstar. She needs to work to build audiences in other ways, like Kacey Musgraves, Zach Bryan, etc. I don't mean her CAREER is over, just the radio career that never happened anyway, is over.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Dec 14, 2023 19:38:27 GMT -5
I know it rarely happens in country music circles for someone to have middling success for as long as she has, but Lauren has consistently at least charted in the like 27-42 range with like almost all of her singles and has pulled in a lot of adds regularly with her songs as mentioned above. Most women get a hit or two and then flop into oblivion. It seems to suggest that radio neither doesn't care about her (or else she would've completely disappeared from the charts long, long ago) nor do they LOVE her (or else she'd have... more than 1 solo top 20 hit). I think some of it is definitely an issue with proper promotion because the industry seems to love her in many ways, but her music seems to rarely move the needle with the general public despite having many bangers that sound like radio hits. I'm still hopeful Big Loud will do a better job, but launching her with a Lainey Wilson collab and then... pulling the collab was an absolute whiff. If Lainey's team wasn't able to greenlit a radio release, they should've just pivoted to something else entirely because the song just doesn't work at all as a solo, and that's why it was destined to bombed imo.
I think she's running out of time to reach the next echelon and I'm not convinced it'll ever happen either, but I'd definitely take her career trajectory over what happens to 90% of women in the genre.
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Post by jab820 on Dec 17, 2023 16:55:17 GMT -5
I think she's running out of time to reach the next echelon and I'm not convinced it'll ever happen either, but I'd definitely take her career trajectory over what happens to 90% of women in the genre. This exactly. She has had a better run than most other women in country, INCLUDING some who have had more hits than her. It'll be interesting to see what happens with her as she gets married and likely has children. I listened to an interview with her right around the label change and it was interesting to hear her reasonings behind doing so. She essentially flat out said that she was concerned by her lack of radio success and needed to fully pivot to something different. She also mentioned she has new management (same as Aldean and some others), meaning she dropped Trisha McClanahan (one of her very best friends it seemed) which tells me she is taking these career shifts seriously. I completely respect and admire her consistent drive and I think others in the industry do too, which is why she has always had these weaker hits rather than just fully flopped like most other women in country. I do hope, though, that the hard work pays off and right now it's looking bleak.
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Post by zdm1998 on Dec 17, 2023 19:01:17 GMT -5
I will say for her lack of airplay hits. The streaming of her singles has always been relatively good; some of her singles have streamed better than songs that were airplay hits, despite having much lower peaks.
I mean look at Doin’ Fine for example; peaked at like #23 on Mediabase but has around 80 million Spotify streams. Getting Good, Ladies in the 90s, and Getting Over Him all streamed relatively good as well.
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Post by kluen on Dec 18, 2023 0:19:39 GMT -5
I know it rarely happens in country music circles for someone to have middling success for as long as she has, but Lauren has consistently at least charted in the like 27-42 range with like almost all of her singles and has pulled in a lot of adds regularly with her songs as mentioned above. Most women get a hit or two and then flop into oblivion. It seems to suggest that radio neither doesn't care about her (or else she would've completely disappeared from the charts long, long ago) nor do they LOVE her (or else she'd have... more than 1 solo top 20 hit). I agree. I think “lukewarm” may be the term that best describes Lauren's relationship with country radio. If Lauren were like all these one-two hit women,she could not even chart right now. I think Lauren really struggled on country radio.It's like country radio kept leading her on but never really embraced her.
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Post by trustypepper on Dec 18, 2023 0:46:43 GMT -5
Lauren will always be one of my country queens whether radio ever fully latches on or not. Just the fact that she’s had this type of longevity is already a win for me.
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Post by raylatch98 on Jan 23, 2024 10:56:27 GMT -5
Unfortunately "Thicc As Thieves" didn't rebound in the new year and it seems like judging by its leaders on AllAccess decreasing that Big Loud let go of this song as this has lost almost 60 spins since Friday on AllAccess which for a song not even charting on Billboard is not a good sign at all and indicates the end of the road for this song,
I don't really know where Big Loud goes from here, I do think in my heart that Lauren Alaina will never ever be fully embraced by country radio, but I do hope they try something. Of her new material I like "Just Wanna Know That You Love Me" the most so I wouldn't be opposed to them trying that at radio (even if I don't have high expectations).
I do think Big Loud has absolutely fumbled the bag even worse than UMG did with her radio wise, as I still think "Dancing In The Moonlight" would have been a great single choice in 2022 to reintroduce her to radio and give Chris Lane a hit (with how "Find Another Bar" is performing so far, I absolutely think that would have been a hit), and when it came to this, they should have just sent the Lainey Wilson version to radio from the start, as the solo version streamed horribly (official audio only has 36,000 views on YouTube), yes it could have meant over exposure of Lainey Wilson, but it may have stood more of a chance.
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Post by zdm1998 on Jan 23, 2024 11:02:41 GMT -5
This should've been released as the duet off the bat or it shouldn't have been released at all. Their best bet for this to have succeeded would've been to make it released almost as soon as the EP was released, and they saw that this had interest in it.
Waiting a couple months just to release it solo, was where the fumble was.
Their best bet is to come back with something completely new, that's undeniable. I just hope that her career doesn't take a step back from the label change, because while I'm annoyed UMG never got her significant airplay, they did pretty good at keeping her relevant despite the lack of solo airplay. Her streaming numbers were always very good.
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Post by countryfan43 on Jan 23, 2024 11:54:33 GMT -5
I rarely listen to the solo version it really wasn’t that great so I’m not surprised that radio passed on it. I feel like this and “Long Live Cowgirls” were missed opportunities with the timing and not releasing the duet version.
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Post by darko on Jan 23, 2024 13:12:51 GMT -5
Big Loud handling of her radio career has been unimpressive so far. I don’t think TAT was the single choice until it took off. They pivoted to it about three months too late. If they were hoping for permission to release the duet and never got it they miss read Lainey’s label. I would guess or hope they will use the wedding and her name in the news to release Just want to know…. I am guessing the wedding is soon as her events calendar is open until she goes to Europe in March. Sad her and her former manager parted ways as Trisha saved her career not sure who is managing her now.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jan 23, 2024 18:55:06 GMT -5
I rarely listen to the solo version it really wasn’t that great so I’m not surprised that radio passed on it. I feel like this and “Long Live Cowgirls” were missed opportunities with the timing and not releasing the duet version. The difference between this and Ian's song is that "Thicc as Thieves" is literally idiotic as a solo song. It like... NEEDS to be a duet. Honestly, I like the solo version of "Long Live Cowgirls" just as well, but granted Cody Johnson's involvement would've been a big boost on the charts. Curiously, he's still getting chart credit for it anyway though, lol.
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