Lady Gaga - "Disease"

[NeRD]

Nov 7, 2024 10:34:26 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

#156 on Spotify and it’s still #1 on TTH?

Tragic.

As long as her fans are happy!

[holdmecloser255]

Nov 7, 2024 2:15:32 GMT -5 Dylan :) said:

People need to get over this promo thing. It’s the first single for LG7, she said so herself

We all love the charts, or else we wouldn’t be here. But I think some people are starting to grow this unhealthy idea that every single song needs to be a runaway smash, or else why bother releasing it. This is classic Gaga, a total bop that the fans love. It doesn’t need to be a multi week #1. It also doesn’t mean anything about her career. Do we all forget about DWAS? Stupid Love? Rain On Me? Shallow? People need to calm down because it’s actually becoming tiring coming into this thread and seeing people moan over nothing

http://instagram.com/p/C_dmIltvMaH

Her career is seemingly following Christina Aguilera's trajectory. She is only able to secure hit songs with other big artists while her solo material does not attract virtually any interest anymore, and her shrinking fanbase is only able to secure very modest chart peaks. "Disease" is actually performing similarly to "Your Body."

"Million Reasons" was probably her last local solo hit in the US (but it got immense promotion). Her last solo hit was "Applause" (more than a decade ago). Her last smash hit is "Born This Way."

"Feel This Moment," "Say Something," and "Moves Like Jagger" (all massive hits) did absolutely nothing for CA's career, so I don't see why some people assumed that DWAS would boost Gaga's solo career.  

[Dylan :)]

Nov 7, 2024 15:16:59 GMT -5 holdmecloser255 said:

Nov 7, 2024 2:15:32 GMT -5 Dylan :) said:

People need to get over this promo thing. It’s the first single for LG7, she said so herself

We all love the charts, or else we wouldn’t be here. But I think some people are starting to grow this unhealthy idea that every single song needs to be a runaway smash, or else why bother releasing it. This is classic Gaga, a total bop that the fans love. It doesn’t need to be a multi week #1. It also doesn’t mean anything about her career. Do we all forget about DWAS? Stupid Love? Rain On Me? Shallow? People need to calm down because it’s actually becoming tiring coming into this thread and seeing people moan over nothing

Her career is seemingly following Christina Aguilera's trajectory. She is only able to secure hit songs with other big artists while her solo material does not attract virtually any interest anymore, and her shrinking fanbase is only able to secure very modest chart peaks. "Disease" is actually performing similarly to "Your Body."

"Million Reasons" was probably her last local solo hit in the US (but it got immense promotion). Her last solo hit was "Applause" (more than a decade ago). Her last smash hit is "Born This Way."

"Feel This Moment," "Say Something," and "Moves Like Jagger" (all massive hits) did absolutely nothing for CA's career, so I don't see why some people assumed that DWAS would boost Gaga's solo career.  

Stupid Love went to #5. Also, no one was checking for Bradley Cooper on Shallow

Nov 7, 2024 12:38:35 GMT -5 NeRD said:

Nov 7, 2024 10:34:26 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

#156 on Spotify and it’s still #1 on TTH?

Tragic.

As long as her fans are happy!

Yes, as long as fans are happy. Music is there to be enjoyed first and foremost. Gaga has money pouring out her ears. She doesn't need a smash hit.

[HEADOFTHEPACK]

Lol yeah what? Bradley Cooper, infamous big artiste.

[Enigma.]

I think the chemistry Gaga and Bradley have is essential for Shallow! But to find a SOLO hit (yes, SOLO and let's repeat it for a third time, SOLO) from ASIB, you don't need to look further than a non-single (in the US) called Always Remember Us This Way.

[balletgirlmom]

She will be fine.  She has a stellar career and talent galore!  I am dying for her new album!  

[iHype.]

Nov 6, 2024 17:16:47 GMT -5 twilightskies said:

I'm flabbergasted about why this song is doing so horribly on streaming. I mean yeah I think it's weak as hell for a lead single, but so was Stupid Love, and even it managed to make Top 5 on Billboard in spite of that. Where are all the folks who said they wanted "dark Gaga" back? She gave them what they wanted yet those folks suddenly disappeared. DWAS is the only thing keeping Gaga's career afloat at the moment, and it's kinda scary that only collabs can give her hits these days.

This sounds like Perfect Illusion, not prime Gaga. Just a bunch of Rock-ish screaming but over an electronic drop this time.

Song sounded very weak on release and still does imo. That’s the biggest problem, to me it’d be more concerning if this was a legitimately good song and sounded like a smash but performed like this.

Her overly theatrical vocal style she does in songs like this doesn’t really work for radio or easy listening. DWAS partly resonated so well because she didn’t insist on this grating vocal style.

[NeRD]

Nov 7, 2024 15:23:59 GMT -5 Dylan :) said:

Nov 7, 2024 15:16:59 GMT -5 holdmecloser255 said:

Her career is seemingly following Christina Aguilera's trajectory. She is only able to secure hit songs with other big artists while her solo material does not attract virtually any interest anymore, and her shrinking fanbase is only able to secure very modest chart peaks. "Disease" is actually performing similarly to "Your Body."

"Million Reasons" was probably her last local solo hit in the US (but it got immense promotion). Her last solo hit was "Applause" (more than a decade ago). Her last smash hit is "Born This Way."

"Feel This Moment," "Say Something," and "Moves Like Jagger" (all massive hits) did absolutely nothing for CA's career, so I don't see why some people assumed that DWAS would boost Gaga's solo career.  

Stupid Love went to #5. Also, no one was checking for Bradley Cooper on Shallow

Nov 7, 2024 12:38:35 GMT -5 NeRD said:

Tragic.

As long as her fans are happy!

Yes, as long as fans are happy. Music is there to be enjoyed first and foremost. Gaga has money pouring out her ears. She doesn't need a smash hit.

So do the majority of our favs. How is that relevant to a forum focused on the charts? Lol

[#LisaRinna]

Nov 6, 2024 17:09:13 GMT -5 #LisaRinna said:

Music video: 9.29M

Lyric video: 4.87M

Official audio 2.97M

Music video: 9.67M

Lyric video: 4.99M

Official audio 3.15M

[Dylan :)]

Nov 7, 2024 16:23:26 GMT -5 NeRD said:

Nov 7, 2024 15:23:59 GMT -5 Dylan :) said:

Stupid Love went to #5. Also, no one was checking for Bradley Cooper on Shallow

Yes, as long as fans are happy. Music is there to be enjoyed first and foremost. Gaga has money pouring out her ears. She doesn't need a smash hit.

So do the majority of our favs. How is that relevant to a forum focused on the charts? Lol

I love the charts. I wouldn't be here otherwise. But not at the expense of good music. I absolutely love this song. People here seem to be saying (or at least suggesting) she shouldn't have released it since it isn't a smash hit, and instead she should be moving on as quick as possible

This unhealthy obsession I'm starting to see (or at least notice) with the charts in some of these threads is really starting to annoy me. It's like people are unable to enjoy a song for what it is anymore. Gaga is a legacy artist who has been in the game for 15+ years. She just had a song debut in the top 30, and would nearly have been top 20 if it wasn't for Tyler The Creator, in 2024. That is incredible. She's now top 20 on pop radio with the song. She's also in the top 2 on the Hot 100 and top 5 on pop radio with another song (bUt BrUUno!!!). Well guess what. We don't talk about Bruno, this is Gaga's thread and she is doing amazing!

Her lead single debuts (ignoring her jazz albums):
Just Dance: #76 in 2008
Bad Romance: #9 in 2009
Born This Way: #1 in 2011
Applause: #6 in 2013
Perfect Illusion: #15 in 2016
Shallow: #28 in 2018
Stupid Love: #5 in 2020
Happy Mistake: didn't chart in 2024
Disease: #27 in 2024

[kcdawg13]

The issue is this sound is extremely dated, I could see this maybe becoming a hit in 2010 off of Gaga's star power but right now this type of gonzo art electropop just isn't in style. But Gaga tried to be "with the times" with The Cure in 2017 and that wasn't a hit either, so what do I know? I honestly think Happy Mistake should've been the lead to this album. I can't believe a song THAT good is tied to the stupid Joker 2 companion soundtrack, it would've gotten more traction had it been the lead to LG7.

[tomgsinger]

Nov 7, 2024 15:31:42 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

I think the chemistry Gaga and Bradley have is essential for Shallow! But to find a SOLO hit (yes, SOLO and let's repeat it for a third time, SOLO) from ASIB, you don't need to look further than a non-single (in the US) called Always Remember Us This Way.

ARUTW was such a missed opportunity. My local HAC spun it for a bit and it fit the format perfectly. I could’ve seen it being at least a minor (top 30) hit at CHR, and top 15 or 20 at HAC.

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

Nov 7, 2024 15:31:42 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

I think the chemistry Gaga and Bradley have is essential for Shallow! But to find a SOLO hit (yes, SOLO and let's repeat it for a third time, SOLO) from ASIB, you don't need to look further than a non-single (in the US) called Always Remember Us This Way.

agree. ARUTW wasn't huge on charts, but that song is a HIT. 

[leonagwen]

We gotta ask ourselves what is the definition of a hit? This is becoming a decent radio hit, but underperforming on Spotify.

[holdmecloser255]

Nov 7, 2024 23:15:08 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

We gotta ask ourselves what is the definition of a hit? This is becoming a decent radio hit, but underperforming on Spotify.

It will likely struggle to enter the top 15, and radio has way less weight in the Hot 100 formula now. Most of its gains were due to a radio deal anyway. 

Its performance on streaming platforms is horrendous. It's no longer charting on Apple Music, and it's about to drop out of the Spotify top 200 in the US (despite having massive playlist reach and the #1 placement on TTH). I can't recall a single song that was charing so low with the TTH cover. This is actually unprecedented. YouTube views are also very low. 

[shakemaki]

Nov 7, 2024 18:21:04 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

The issue is this sound is extremely dated, I could see this maybe becoming a hit in 2010 off of Gaga's star power but right now this type of gonzo art electropop just isn't in style. But Gaga tried to be "with the times" with The Cure in 2017 and that wasn't a hit either, so what do I know? I honestly think Happy Mistake should've been the lead to this album. I can't believe a song THAT good is tied to the stupid Joker 2 companion soundtrack, it would've gotten more traction had it been the lead to LG7.

Can’t say I agree about this sounding like 2010 and being a hit back then, but I’m here for the idea of Happy Mistake having been the LG7 over this actually. It’s a phenomenal song that definitely shouldn’t be tied to such a disaster flop project like Joker. It’s not “obviously” catchy, but it does sink in and stay there. Mighta paired nicely off of DWAS momentum too. Not my first choice for what I wish the LG7 lead was, but I can see it having been a better choice than this in the long run.

[holdmecloser255]

I think that Gaga might bounce back with this era, but she would need a high-quality song. We can overanalyze this commercial failure, but it all boils down to "Disease" being a very mediocre forgettable effort. "Bloody Mary" became a viral hit because 1) it has the catchy "I'll dance" part; 2) pleasant vocals with no unnecessary screaming; 3) it's actually dark and unsettling; 4) it has some of her best lyrics. "Disease" offers some perfunctory darkness with jarring gruff vocals and absolutely terrible lyrics. It lacks a catchy hook and has virtually no replay value. "Disease" would not even be good enough to make it on Kim Petras's "Turn Off The Light," which has some great catchy pop songs. It seemed like they specifically made this for the Halloween release, but it failed just due to how underwhelming it is.

[ObhiDonna]

Nov 7, 2024 23:15:08 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

We gotta ask ourselves what is the definition of a hit? This is becoming a decent radio hit, but underperforming on Spotify.

You must agree (because of your faves) that the above definition absolutely pivots to Hot 100 peak when its not your fav popstar or to the component successes when its your fav.

I am personally enjoying the song and excited for what LG7 will bring. At the same time, I am cautiously optimistic that radio is on board to play the track. Where I am disappointed was the release strategy, the planning of the music video, the actual video itself because of the plot miss, and its streaming downward spiral in US.
Performing better in Non-US countries at this moment but no denying that it is not the success we wanted to see.

[southerninternal999]

Nov 7, 2024 23:15:08 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

We gotta ask ourselves what is the definition of a hit? This is becoming a decent radio hit, but underperforming on Spotify.

In my personal opinion, a hit is a song that succeeds in at least one particular field (Radio, streaming, sales, etc)

[munx 🐒🎯]

I think holdmecloser is a closet Stan, one click of their profile, and it’s a lottt of posts about Lady Gaga.

[Choco]

Maybe her days as a consistent hitmaker have ended... tbh depending on your definition of consistent, it's actually been a while?

Maybe this particular song wasn't the right choice? Who knows.

I still think they probably have a stronger single coming next year.

[Az Paynter]

POP:
19 17 LADY GAGA Disease 4786 4494 292 10.577

+107 Spins
-485 Bullet
+0.151 Audience

HOT AC:
34 29 LADY GAGA Disease 725 630 95 1.696

+14 Spins
-78 Bullet
+0.009 Audience

[#LisaRinna]

US Spotify run:
Day 1: #16 - 1,097,768 plays
Day 2: #27 - 731,207 plays (-366,561)
Day 3: #43 - 530,848 plays (-200,359)
Day 4: #61 - 561,419 plays (+30,571)
Day 5: #76 - 511,596 plays (-49,823)
Day 6: #53 - 596,231 plays (+84,635)
Day 7: #82 - 573,828 plays (-22,403)

Week 1 total: 4,602,897 plays

Day 8: #87 - 548,334 plays (-25,494)
Day 9: #77 - 466,751 plays (-81,583)
Day 10: #90 - 396,233 plays (-70,518)
Day 11: #101 - 431,972 plays (+35,739)
Day 12: #104 - 427,363 plays (-4,609)
Day 13: #156 - 365,401 plays (-61,962)
Day 14: #140 - 387,626 plays (+22,225)

Week 2 total: 3,023,680 plays (-1,579,217)

[Kanenrá:ke]

If this can make the top 15 on radio I'm happy. Everything else is bonus for me in terms of the charts.

I'm in love with the song and it's got me ready for the album, which is the most important aspect for me!

[ObhiDonna]

By the way, remember that clip from the music video set to a slow piano riff of Disease, prior to the song’s official release? Wonder if its one of the versions she might release later (or not)!

[leonagwen]

Maybe it would help if Gaga promoted this more. There's like no buzz about this song anywhere.

[Enigma.]

Nov 8, 2024 12:18:44 GMT -5 #LisaRinna said:

US Spotify run:
Day 1: #16 - 1,097,768 plays
Day 2: #27 - 731,207 plays (-366,561)
Day 3: #43 - 530,848 plays (-200,359)
Day 4: #61 - 561,419 plays (+30,571)
Day 5: #76 - 511,596 plays (-49,823)
Day 6: #53 - 596,231 plays (+84,635)
Day 7: #82 - 573,828 plays (-22,403)

Week 1 total: 4,602,897 plays

Day 8: #87 - 548,334 plays (-25,494)
Day 9: #77 - 466,751 plays (-81,583)
Day 10: #90 - 396,233 plays (-70,518)
Day 11: #101 - 431,972 plays (+35,739)
Day 12: #104 - 427,363 plays (-4,609)
Day 13: #156 - 365,401 plays (-61,962)
Day 14: #140 - 387,626 plays (+22,225)

Week 2 total: 3,023,680 plays (-1,579,217)

That's a 34% drop in streams week-on-week. It's not very good but nothing spectacularly bad either. Globally, the decrease was smaller, 23%.

[SPRΞΞ]

When does TTH update?

[leonagwen]

Nov 8, 2024 14:26:14 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

When does TTH update?

It's #11 on Today's Top Hits.

[It’s me again, bitch]

Nov 7, 2024 18:21:04 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

The issue is this sound is extremely dated, I could see this maybe becoming a hit in 2010 off of Gaga's star power but right now this type of gonzo art electropop just isn't in style. But Gaga tried to be "with the times" with The Cure in 2017 and that wasn't a hit either, so what do I know? I honestly think Happy Mistake should've been the lead to this album. I can't believe a song THAT good is tied to the stupid Joker 2 companion soundtrack, it would've gotten more traction had it been the lead to LG7.

I agree. To me this sounds like something off the born this way album.