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Post by jond7699 on Oct 27, 2003 23:49:52 GMT -5
i was reading the thread on albums that could've sold more if there was a different debut single and it got me thinking about albums that wouldn't of sold any way you look at it.
here is my list and explanation
mariah carey's glitter is on the top of my list. i think it was a very well put together album , but times have changed and mariah is not the it girl anymore. no matter how it was promoted it wouldn't have moved numbers. even if the single choices were better.
jessica simpson's irresistable was one of the biggest commerical disappointments that year and rightfully so. sure irresistable was catchy and a pretty good pop song but the rest of the album sucks. and jessica has never been a huge star her formula just isn't popular
madonna's american life really doesn't have friendly radio material and right now madonna is on one of her famous declines. sure the music isn't bad but it's nothing groundbreaking. i didn't even buy the cd based on what tracks i have heard. this album just isn't up to madonna's standards they should've scrapped it awhile ago.
any opinions?
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Post by Ragin on Oct 28, 2003 8:56:50 GMT -5
Smashmouth's self titled effort
Van Halen III
Poison- Hollyweird (After a resurgence of popularity they release this pile of dung?)
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Post by jond7699 on Oct 28, 2003 9:30:30 GMT -5
good ones , i had totally forgotten about like smashmouth. as for the other two i do not remember which ones they were. although i must admit i an not a huge fan of van halen. and haven't like poison since there unskinny bop days.
i also wanna add whitney's latest just whitney. it is below par effort from her. there are only a few tolerable tracks on the whole cd. she needs to straighten her life up and remember what made her famous.
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Post by Ragin on Oct 28, 2003 10:02:02 GMT -5
good ones , i had totally forgotten about like smashmouth. as for the other two i do not remember which ones they were. although i must admit i an not a huge fan of van halen. and haven't like poison since there unskinny bop days. i also wanna add whitney's latest just whitney. it is below par effort from her. there are only a few tolerable tracks on the whole cd. she needs to straighten her life up and remember what made her famous. Poison is admittedly off the radar as far as new music goes, but it doesn't help when what you do put out is just terrible. Van Halen III has to be the biggest disappointment in recent memory as far as hard rock goes. Gary Cherone really was not a bad lead singer for Van Halen at all, but the songs were terrible, what could he do? That was the end of Van Halen pretty much. |
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Post by jond7699 on Oct 28, 2003 11:11:40 GMT -5
Van Halen III has to be the biggest disappointment in recent memory as far as hard rock goes. Gary Cherone really was not a bad lead singer for Van Halen at all, but the songs were terrible, what could he do? That was the end of Van Halen pretty much. ok i remember this now. yeah that was barely a blip on the radar screen. i prefer sammy hagar anyways. i think van halen is way past their prime. especially with all the internal conflict within the band itself. have they broken up? |
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Post by Ragin on Oct 28, 2003 11:28:29 GMT -5
ok i remember this now. yeah that was barely a blip on the radar screen. i prefer sammy hagar anyways. i think van halen is way past their prime. especially with all the internal conflict within the band itself. have they broken up? They never officially broke up even though they did officially fire their lead singer. That, and the base player has been touring with Sammy Hagar and is not going to be welcomed back. So while it hasn't been official, Van Halen has done nothing in years now, and I think it is safe to say that anything new in the future would be considered a come back. |
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Post by jimmy74747 on Oct 28, 2003 11:59:31 GMT -5
Poison- Hollyweird (After a resurgence of popularity they release this pile of dung?) A friend of mine has this album, and boy is it awful. I think Poison would only catch on nowadays if they released a big power ballad. Their style of rock is not in right now. |
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Post by jond7699 on Oct 28, 2003 12:11:35 GMT -5
A friend of mine has this album, and boy is it awful. I think Poison would only catch on nowadays if they released a big power ballad. Their style of rock is not in right now. poison has it's fans and they can make a living touring and releasing music to that demographic but to expect anything like the popularity they once had would be foolish on their part. |
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Post by Gorminako on Nov 3, 2003 5:22:36 GMT -5
The problem with this album is it's too electronic. The songs would sound better with less electronics and more real instruments, especially the title track, which really has a nice melody, especially the refrain.
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Nov 4, 2003 12:52:08 GMT -5
mariah carey's glitter is on the top of my list. i think it was a very well put together album , but times have changed and mariah is not the it girl anymore. no matter how it was promoted it wouldn't have moved numbers. even if the single choices were better. I disagree with Glitter. Had she released "Never Too Far" as the lead single or any of the other uptempos, she would never have missed a beat and I think she'd still be doing Rainbow-like numbers. "Loverboy" was just too bad for words and combined with the movie and breakdown, the album flopped. |
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Post by Ragin on Nov 4, 2003 12:57:58 GMT -5
I disagree with Glitter. Had she released "Never Too Far" as the lead single or any of the other uptempos, she would never have missed a beat and I think she'd still be doing Rainbow-like numbers. "Loverboy" was just too bad for words and combined with the movie and breakdown, the album flopped. I agree with Glitter actually. Mariah is trying to appeal to the wrong crowd. She isn't likely to be big with the teens ever again. |
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Post by jond7699 on Nov 4, 2003 12:58:14 GMT -5
I still think that no matter what she released "Glitter" would've bombed. It was not her time. The album came out on 9/11 , the movie bombed , she had a very public breakdown. All of these things were contributing factors. Sure it could've done better w/out "Loverboy" but I still think it would've been a disappointment.
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Post by Joe1240 on Nov 4, 2003 23:00:38 GMT -5
I agree on Jessica's album Irresistable. It bombed because most of her fans were disappointed in her change in style. A Little Bit basically killed any chance this album would have a 3rd Single. But the whole album was awful compared to her first album. It was just the beginning of a decline for Jessica till her MTV Show this year.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Nov 5, 2003 9:01:35 GMT -5
American Life Madonna.
Look at her singles hot 100 performance and her albums top 200 performances if you need further convincing.
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Post by Ragin on Nov 5, 2003 9:23:56 GMT -5
American Life Madonna. Look at her singles hot 100 performance and her albums top 200 performances if you need further convincing. No further convincing needed. I have yet to hear a decent song off that album, but to be fair I've only heard a few songs on it. |
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Post by Carlitoz on Nov 5, 2003 17:54:15 GMT -5
I think Madonna's could have done better with her album with different choices for singles. American Life was simply a bad song. The video was even worse (all the versions). Madonna with her military/soldier costume didn't help either. And this is coming from a big fan of hers. Hollywood was not that bad, but still not great. Her new single Nothing Fails I don't think is that great as everybody says. It's just nice, kinda repetitive though. I think that with Love Profusion as first single and a very nice cover and booklet for the album, things would have been so so different. Intervention is a very nice slow song too. I agree, the album is not very radio friendly, but at least two songs could've been radio hits and could have sold the rest of the album. The cover/booklet art was just horrible. It gave a very cold/mad/bloody/not friendly feeling to an album that has many personal songs, warm and nice folky songs. So, different first single and artwork would've have changed the fate of this album.
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Post by Flavoured on Nov 5, 2003 22:22:17 GMT -5
I still think that no matter what she released "Glitter" would've bombed. It was not her time. The album came out on 9/11 , the movie bombed , she had a very public breakdown. All of these things were contributing factors. Sure it could've done better w/out "Loverboy" but I still think it would've been a disappointment. I agree, many people don't relieze that the album was released on 9/11. And "Loverboy" was an awful choice for the lead single, I couldn't even understand what she was saying. |
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Post by M on Nov 5, 2003 23:13:04 GMT -5
I still think that no matter what she released "Glitter" would've bombed. It was not her time. The album came out on 9/11 , the movie bombed , she had a very public breakdown. All of these things were contributing factors. Sure it could've done better w/out "Loverboy" but I still think it would've been a disappointment. I don't think Mariah was the only person who suffered during this period. Didn't Macy Gray, for instance, have a new album & single out around this same time? Which could explain why it totally bombed and why she's totally off the radar. |
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Post by Carlitoz on Nov 6, 2003 10:38:13 GMT -5
I still think that no matter what she released "Glitter" would've bombed. It was not her time. The album came out on 9/11 , the movie bombed , she had a very public breakdown. All of these things were contributing factors. Sure it could've done better w/out "Loverboy" but I still think it would've been a disappointment. To be honest I haven't heard the whole album. I did hear the singles and little parts of all the other songs. I was not really impressed. Maybe one day I should give it a try... and hear the whole thing 2 or 3 times to be sure I don't like it or maybe I end up liking some songs. Anyway, regardless of that, I'm really tired of people using the 9/11 excuse for Mariah's album. Ok, you can use that she was going through a breakdown, that the movie was bad, that the first single was ugly, etc. But the 9/11 is not really that good of an excuse because there were other album that came out the same week and did WAY better than Mariah's. |
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Post by jond7699 on Nov 7, 2003 16:54:52 GMT -5
Not making excuses just stating a fact. Too bad if you don't agree with it. If you had the #'s for the weeks leading up to 9/11 and the weeks after you would see a sharp decline. And like I said when I opened this topic nothing could've shaved Glitter. 9/11 directly effected record sales.
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