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Post by singingsparrow on Feb 8, 2004 13:36:39 GMT -5
Did anyone else see this incredibly eerie yet artistic video and all you could say is "Wow!" in a haunting tone of voice?
It is quite obvious what their stance against the war and Mr. Bush is, LOL, but what did you all think of the imagery? Those greedy political leaders and lobbyists with wings, scissors cutting off the wings of others to the cold ground, all the Jesus signs with the misty aura of him surrounding the "megalomaniacs", all the haunting animation of protesters and television signals, what did you all think?
Was this video quite illustrative of what's really happening now?
Disagree? State your claims!
Sincerely, Noah Eaton
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Post by Matt4319 on Feb 8, 2004 13:40:04 GMT -5
Artistically, it's very well done, but it nearly caused me to boycott the album.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Feb 8, 2004 13:44:57 GMT -5
I thought it was a little over the top and too obvious honestly. The album and song are GREAT though. My favorite part of the video is the preacher holding up the Buy Bull
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Post by Matt4319 on Feb 8, 2004 13:48:43 GMT -5
My favorite part of the video is the preacher holding up the Buy Bull Ah yes...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2004 13:53:26 GMT -5
I love it!
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Post by singingsparrow on Feb 8, 2004 13:54:30 GMT -5
Artistically, it's very well done, but it nearly caused me to boycott the album. The video actually increased my interest in supporting the album, though I would have gotten the album if there was no video. And I really don't think it was "over the top". Depends on what political field you're on. Obviously right-wings will feel like "I resent that!" while left-wings will say "Well, that's just what's going on!" There have been many videos of late also politically inclined, like System Of A Down's "Boom" (directed by Michael Moore), and on the other wing some of Toby Keith's videos, perhaps even 3 Doors Down's "When I'm Gone" suggested a political direction. I wonder how the moderates feel about the video. Sincerely, Noah Eaton
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Post by Matt4319 on Feb 8, 2004 13:57:45 GMT -5
And I really don't think it was "over the top". Depends on what political field you're on. Obviously right-wings will feel like "I resent that!"... LOL, no. How about "That's not true!" Saying "I resent that" means you're admitting it's true. Only extremists would consider Bush on the same level with Hitler, like the video suggests.
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Feb 8, 2004 14:00:34 GMT -5
Artistically, it's very well done, but it nearly caused me to boycott the album. You sound like the crazy Dixie Chicks haters. I like the video. It's very well done.
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Post by singingsparrow on Feb 8, 2004 14:02:33 GMT -5
LOL, no. How about "That's not true!" Saying "I resent that" means you're admitting it's true. Only extremists would consider Bush on the same level with Hitler, like the video suggests. Yes, they'd say that too. However, as much as I think the video is suggesting some kind of totalitarian regime happening in the nation, I don't necessarily think you can go so far to think Incubus thinks Bush IS Hitler. If they actually did say that, it would be indirectly inclined in the video, and Incubus would already be boycotted to the extreme if that's a fact. Even Alternative would find that too extreme. Sincerely, Noah Eaton
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Post by singingsparrow on Feb 8, 2004 14:09:14 GMT -5
You sound like the crazy Dixie Chicks haters. I like the video. It's very well done. Or even those DJs who tossed out Jethro Tull after his comment about there is a difference between nationalism and patriotism and putting those flags on your SUVs and cars is not nationalism. Sincerely, Noah Eaton
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Post by Matt4319 on Feb 8, 2004 14:19:32 GMT -5
You sound like the crazy Dixie Chicks haters. Hey, if they [Incubus] are allowed to stand up for their beliefs, I'm certainly allowed to stand up for mine. And I did buy the album, so I don't think you know what you're talking about. I never said that.
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Post by insect2 on Feb 8, 2004 14:51:33 GMT -5
I love it. It's easily the early frontrunner for Video of the Year.
And everyone who's in politics is Hitler. Republicans and Democrats alike. At least the claim can be made. Remember, Hitler started out as a politician just like everyone else.
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Post by WhySoSerious? on Feb 8, 2004 15:17:28 GMT -5
And I did buy the album, so I don't think you know what you're talking about. LOL. Your comment sounded identical to those made by the anti-Chicks fanatics, that is all.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Feb 8, 2004 15:20:10 GMT -5
I was not offended and I did not resent it. I just thought it was a tad over the top. I wish it would have been a little more symbolic or subtle.
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Post by singingsparrow on Feb 8, 2004 16:12:03 GMT -5
I apologize! Sorry if you felt offended in any way there. I meant to use "you" in a general form, not directly implying you thought that. I felt that no one could really draw a conclusion of comparing Hitler to him there. Sincerely, Noah Eaton
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Post by pkwi on Feb 8, 2004 16:14:47 GMT -5
The video and album are both unique and very well done, but the whole Anti-War "Lets protest this to the limit!" thing is getting kind of annoying, the imagery were great though.
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Post by BlahBlahBlah on Feb 8, 2004 16:58:29 GMT -5
I totally love it, it's great. I didn't expect anything like this.
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Post by jimmy74747 on Feb 8, 2004 19:10:47 GMT -5
Publicity stunt. Incubus knew that they needed to do something to get attention, so they figure putting an anti-Bush video on liberal video channels would help.
I'd like to hear Brandon Boyd discuss his opinions in an interview before I take him seriously.
And I love this Bush = Hitler thing. Its just reeks of no class. Go tell that to the Jews living in Europe that Bush is Hitler.
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Post by pkwi on Feb 8, 2004 19:20:49 GMT -5
Publicity stunt. Incubus knew that they needed to do something to get attention, so they figure putting an anti-Bush video on liberal video channels would help. It's pathetic, Incubus is a talented band, they shouldn't have to stoop to this level to promote themselves, maybe one of them will get married in the next few days, lol.
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Post by insect2 on Feb 8, 2004 21:47:54 GMT -5
Publicity stunt. Incubus knew that they needed to do something to get attention, so they figure putting an anti-Bush video on liberal video channels would help. I'd like to hear Brandon Boyd discuss his opinions in an interview before I take him seriously. And I love this Bush = Hitler thing. Its just reeks of no class. Go tell that to the Jews living in Europe that Bush is Hitler. Yeah, everyone is a liberal except you. This post angers me to no end. Why the hell would they need to get attention? The song was already blowing up on alternative, and the video was going to get a ton of airplay anyway. Ugh, I could probably go on, but I'd probably need to use a bunch of profanities to go with it which I don't think should have been necessary. >:( Oh yeah, about the whole liberal-conservative thing, anyone who believes in representative government and civil liberties such as free speech, and all the other stuff framed in the Constitution is a liberal. So unless you (in a general sense) would prefer an absolute monarchy with a King as the sole executive, you're a liberal. (I just felt like getting that off my chest ever since I learned it in AP European History) One more thing, I apologize for helping this devolve into another dumb political topic which will probably get locked (which I'm sure will happen).
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Post by singingsparrow on Feb 9, 2004 0:13:21 GMT -5
Publicity stunt. Incubus knew that they needed to do something to get attention, so they figure putting an anti-Bush video on liberal video channels would help. I'd like to hear Brandon Boyd discuss his opinions in an interview before I take him seriously. And I love this Bush = Hitler thing. Its just reeks of no class. Go tell that to the Jews living in Europe that Bush is Hitler. I disagree. Publicity stunt? Incubus is fresh off two back-to-back double-platinum albums, and they were in no need of attention. It was just their honest conviction, and they passionately chose to speak out their hearts here, as poignant as it may seem. Sincerely, Noah Eaton
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Post by Control on Feb 9, 2004 1:48:12 GMT -5
^ agree with the last two posts
I think the video is great, not only because I share their views, but it was just very well done I thought.. Floria is a great director
Love the album too, by the way
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Post by Matt4319 on Feb 9, 2004 1:58:34 GMT -5
Oh yeah, about the whole liberal-conservative thing, anyone who believes in representative government and civil liberties such as free speech, and all the other stuff framed in the Constitution is a liberal. So unless you (in a general sense) would prefer an absolute monarchy with a King as the sole executive, you're a liberal. (I just felt like getting that off my chest ever since I learned it in AP European History) LOL, wouldn't that be negating the sarcasm in this then? ;) Yeah, everyone is a liberal except you.
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Post by insect2 on Feb 9, 2004 17:58:40 GMT -5
LOL, wouldn't that be negating the sarcasm in this then? ;) I don't know. I was sort of in a rage when I wrote that. I just hate when people have to label everything as "liberal" this or "conservative" that. As if that's supposed to mean something. It sorta like how white artists are characterized as rock artists while black artists are characterized as rappers. Race, just like political affiliation, isn't an automatic character insinuation. At least that's how I feel about it.
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