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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Feb 6, 2005 18:35:13 GMT -5
The Grammys rarely did it. That's why it was such a big deal when Michael Jackson and Santana walked home with so many. Now it's like the usual. IMO those were the only people who deserved it in recent times. It really shouldn't be an every year thing that one artist takes all. If I wanted to see a Beyonce special I can watch MTV or rent their tour video for that. |
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Post by Ironically Ironic on Feb 6, 2005 19:20:46 GMT -5
I dont think yall understand. Yes Bee won 5, but it was minor awards. Yall act like she won album of the year.
CrazY In Love- 2 awards- best r&b song and best rap/sung collabo- well deserved
DIL- best female vocal performance- Also well deserved
The Closer I get to you- best performance by a duo or group- Bee and Luther did an awesome job with the song. Why shouldnt they have gotten the award.
DIl- contemporary album- Mary J and Anthony would have not gotten this. Even critics, who judged her album, said thar she would win this.
So yes, when you think 5, and think Lauryn Hill and Norah Jones, yall would say dang, but unlike Lauryn and Norah, she did not win any major categories (should have one record of the year).
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Post by ingrownhairdyke on Feb 7, 2005 3:13:41 GMT -5
still a GRAMMY is a GRAMMY no matter wat category... When they introduce an artist they dont say the grammy award winning artist who won best RnB best RnB vocals etc... They will just say their name n how many grammys they won..
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Feb 7, 2005 8:19:26 GMT -5
still a GRAMMY is a GRAMMY no matter wat category... When they introduce an artist they dont say the grammy award winning artist who won best RnB best RnB vocals etc... They will just say their name n how many grammys they won.. Yes... to most people 5 grammys equals 5 grammys whether or not they are in major categories or not. Ive heard reviews across the board...from fans and critics...that the album was mediocre. Should a mediocre album get 5 grammys? (To be fair, it looks like 4 of the grammys were for songs and not the album...) |
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Post by bluenote on Feb 7, 2005 8:26:20 GMT -5
Beyonce deserevd 4 out of 5 of those awards for "crazy in love" "dangerously in love and "the closer i get to you." They shouldnt have said well she deserves them but we dont wanna give her too many in 1 night, thats just silly.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Feb 7, 2005 8:42:43 GMT -5
Who were the other nominees? I dont know, it must have been a HELL of a weak year in r&b if Crazy In Love deserved two grammys...as well as DIL. I even loved CIL, but it was mindless ear filler, not really quality to me. But hey, if the nominees list was really that weak...
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Post by KikiMets on Feb 7, 2005 8:54:00 GMT -5
Here are the nominees for the categories in which Beyonce won:
Best Female R&B Vocal Performance
(For a solo vocal performance. Singles or Tracks only.)
Rain On Me
Ashanti
[Murder Inc. Records]
Back In The Day
Erykah Badu
Track from: Worldwide Underground
[Motown Records]
Dangerously In Love 2
Beyoncé
Track from: Dangerously In Love
[Columbia Records/Music World Music]
Ooh!
Mary J. Blige
Track from: Love & Life
[Geffen Records]
I Wish I Wasn't
Heather Headley
Track from: This Is Who I Am.
[RCA Records]
Best R&B Performance By A Duo Or Group With Vocals
(For duo, group or collaborative performances, with vocals. Singles or Tracks only.)
The Closer I Get To You
Beyoncé & Luther Vandross
Track from: Dangerously In Love AND FROM Dance With My Father
[Columbia Records AND J Records]
Where Is The Love
Stanley Clarke Featuring Glenn Lewis & Amel Larrieux
Track from: 1, 2, To The Bass
[Epic Records]
Say Yes
Floetry
Track from: Floetic
[DreamWorks]
I'll Stay
Roy Hargrove & The RH Factor Featuring D'Angelo
Track from: Hard Groove
[Verve Records]
Busted
The Isley Brothers With Ronald Isley aka Mr. Biggs Featuring JS
Track from: Body Kiss
[DreamWorks]
Hands Up
TLC
Track from: 3D
[Arista Records]
Best R&B Song
(A Songwriter(s) Award. For Song Eligibility Guidelines see Category #3. (Artist names appear in parenthesis.) Singles or Tracks only.)
Comin' From Where I'm From
Mark Batson & Anthony Hamilton, songwriters (Anthony Hamilton)
Track from: Comin' From Where I'm From
[So So Def Recordings/Arista Records; Publishers: Songs of Universal, Tappy Whyte's Music & Bat Future Music]
Crazy In Love
Shawn Carter, Rich Harrison, Beyoncé Knowles & (Eugene Record), songwriters (Beyoncé Featuring Jay-Z)
Track from: Dangerously In Love
[Columbia Records/Music World Music; Publishers: Beyoncé Publishing/Hitco South, EMI Blackwood Music, Dam Rich Music, EMI April Music, Carter Boys Publishing & Unichappell Music.]
Dance With My Father
Richard Marx & Luther Vandross, songwriters (Luther Vandross)
Track from: Dance With My Father
[J Records; Publishers: Uncle Ronnie's Music, EMI April Music & Chi-Boy Music]
Danger
Erykah Badu, J. Poyser, B.R. Smith & R.C. Williams, songwriters (Erykah Badu)
Track from: Worldwide Underground
[Motown Records; Publishers: Rexamillons, Divine Pimp Publishing, Tribes of Kedar, Jaja Music, i-n-i Vibrations, Sadiyah's Music & Janise Combs Publishing]
Rock Wit U (Awww Baby)
A. Douglas, I. Lorenzo & A. Parker, songwriters (Ashanti)
Track from: Chapter II
[Murder Inc. Records]
Best Contemporary R&B Album
(For albums containing 51% or more playing time of VOCAL tracks.)
Chapter II
Ashanti
[Murder Inc. Records]
Dangerously In Love
Beyoncé
[Columbia Records/Music World Music]
Love & Life
Mary J. Blige
[Geffen Records]
Comin' From Where I'm From
Anthony Hamilton
[So So Def Recordings/Arista Records]
Chocolate Factory
R. Kelly
[Jive Records]
Best Rap/Sung Collaboration
(For a Rap/Sung collaborative performance by artists who do not normally perform together. Singles or Tracks only.)
Crazy In Love
Beyoncé Featuring Jay-Z
Track from: Dangerously In Love
[Columbia Records/Music World Music]
Where Is The Love
The Black Eyed Peas With Justin Timberlake
Track from: Elephunk
[A&M Records]
Luv U Better
LL Cool J Featuring Marc Dorsey
Track from: 10
[Def Jam Recordings]
Frontin'
The Neptunes Featuring Pharrell Williams & Jay-Z
Track from: The Neptunes Present...Clones
[Arista Records/Star Trak]
Beautiful
Snoop Dogg Featuring Pharrell And Uncle Charlie Wilson
Track from: Paid Tha Cost To Be Da Bo$$
[Priority Records]
IMO, the wins in Rap/Sung and Duo/Group performance were deserved, the rest were not.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Feb 7, 2005 9:02:21 GMT -5
IMO, the wins in Rap/Sung and Duo/Group performance were deserved, the rest were not. I agree... I just think they gave her all 5 because...well its Beyonce. Enough hype to win, even if they were not huge categories. |
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Post by bluenote on Feb 7, 2005 9:10:19 GMT -5
Vocally "dangerously in love" was better than any song nominated. "crazy in love" was hands down the best r&b song of that year. It was the best rap/sung collaboration and "the closer i get to you" deserved to win as well. as far as best contemporary album goes, it was a toss up between Beyonce and Mary J. blige.
I will say she easily deserved 4 out of 5 wins.
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Post by msanoja on Feb 7, 2005 9:32:59 GMT -5
Personally, I think the Grammys have been a joke for a very long time. Milli Vanilli, Baha Men...both winners at the Grammys. Right.  Also, giving such a huge array of awards to Norah Jones and Beyonce is just overdoing it. I expect the same to happen with Usher this year. Oh well, it's not like I ever watch them  |
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Post by kingLUKE22 on Feb 7, 2005 9:39:42 GMT -5
I can't remember the name of the group, but didn't the grammys award a group that turned out to be completely bogus, and had to withdrawl their grammy wins? It was early 90's... who were they?
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Post by msanoja on Feb 7, 2005 9:41:15 GMT -5
I can't remember the name of the group, but didn't the grammys award a group that turned out to be completely bogus, and had to withdrawl their grammy wins? It was early 90's... who were they? Milli Vanilli. Yes, the Grammys are an embrassment. I'd rather watch the VMAs thank you very much |
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Post by kingLUKE22 on Feb 7, 2005 9:43:25 GMT -5
Milli Vanilli. Yes, the Grammys are an embrassment. Thanks for the name, and for finishing my point. |
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Post by KikiMets on Feb 7, 2005 11:31:15 GMT -5
I think there is definitely a political aspect to Grammy nominations/wins. Commercial success does help (but it's not going to help crap), but acts that aren't as huge do have a chance-provided that it seems that Grammy wins would lead to a big sales boost that the Grammys can take credit for and pat themselves on the back about.
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Post by Night Senses on Feb 7, 2005 11:39:06 GMT -5
Darn it, Kiki! You replied before I could re-do my entire post.
Every time I would try to modify it, for some reason it would bring me back to the 'Music News' page. It was very weird. I just deleted it.
But I agree with you, if your post was in response to mine. That's a very good point that they can help boost the sales of an artist who may not have sold as much, previously. India Arie is a good example. But she still should've WON atleast one. >:(
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Post by Pink Champagne Ricochet on Feb 7, 2005 14:09:54 GMT -5
Oh yeah, when they gave Milli Vanilli the Best New Artist Grammy over Mariah Carey. That was just moronic. Did she (or anyone else) end up getting it once MV were outed and stripped of their award?
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Post by KikiMets on Feb 7, 2005 15:59:07 GMT -5
Oh yeah, when they gave Milli Vanilli the Best New Artist Grammy over Mariah Carey. That was just moronic. Did she (or anyone else) end up getting it once MV were outed and stripped of their award? Mariah won Best New Artist (and Best Female Pop Vocal Performance for Vision Of Love) the year after MV's win. |
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Post by The Rebirth Of ffej on Feb 7, 2005 19:22:50 GMT -5
ummmm well wasn't Aaliyahs "Aaliyah" album nominated for something and didn't win? That was a great album and should have won imo
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Post by ingrownhairdyke on Feb 7, 2005 21:23:35 GMT -5
well Luthers V. song lost 2 DIL n "Beautiful" lost 2 Luther V. song Exactly wat does DIL have that "BEAUTIFUL" didnt have?? I though BEAUTIFUL was gonna get record of the year n all these other awards even though it barely got any nods, i was truly shocked.. DIL is just a love song, BEAUTIFUL meant a lot 2 many people but the GRAMMYS seem 2 have overlooked the deepness of the song because of Xtinas image.. How sad ??? >:( |
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Post by bluenote on Feb 7, 2005 21:39:54 GMT -5
ummmm well wasn't Aaliyahs "Aaliyah" album nominated for something and didn't win? That was a great album and should have won imo Contemporary r&b album. If i'm not mistaken she lost to Ashanti. |
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Post by Night Senses on Feb 7, 2005 21:43:29 GMT -5
Contemporary r&b album. If i'm not mistaken she lost to Ashanti. I think you're mistaken, because Aaliyah was released in the summer of 2001, and I believe it got nominations for the 2002 Grammys, which were before Ashanti released her debut. |
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Post by bluenote on Feb 7, 2005 21:44:54 GMT -5
I think you're mistaken, because Aaliyah was released in the summer of 2001, and I believe it got nominations for the 2002 Grammys, which were before Ashanti released her debut. Ashanti won in 2002. GRAMMY Winner Ashanti,artist. 7 Aurelius, Brian Springer & Milwaukee Buck,engineers/mixers. 7 Aurelius & Irv Gotti,producers. Genre R&B GRAMMY Category Best Contemporary R&B Album Year 2002 - 45th Annual GRAMMY Awards Title of the Work Ashanti Artist Performing Work Ashanti |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2005 21:46:08 GMT -5
oh ok. well i cant remember who Aaliyah lost to. Alicia |
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Post by bluenote on Feb 7, 2005 21:48:03 GMT -5
oh ok. so that was 2001, not 2002. but that was also for best r&b album. did they have a contemporary r&b album category that year? |
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Post by Luckie Starchild on Feb 8, 2005 11:25:51 GMT -5
if she would have shortened the album to about 12 or 13 tracks and left the filler off like "Soar" "Get mine, get yours", "cruz", and "Keep on Singin My song" and maybe even "the voice within" she could have won hands down. LOL, if "Cruz" is considered "filler" -- I'll take Christina's filler over 99.9% of everyone else's lead singles!  |
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Feb 8, 2005 16:49:44 GMT -5
LOL, if "Cruz" is considered "filler" -- I'll take Christina's filler over 99.9% of everyone else's lead singles! lmao I was actually thinking the same thing! Half the songs he named are songs I love and still listen to today. Singing my Song KILLS me. (in a good way ) But, I am a Christina fan so it makes perfect sense to me that I would like Christina's album while other people may scream filler. Im sure they like artists that I would think are filler crazy. |
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Post by bluenote on Feb 8, 2005 16:54:50 GMT -5
As a causal Chrisitna listener I think i'm more objective. And Her album was very good and had extremely strong points, but the more tracks u put on an album the more....underwhelming it can be. If she would have kept it at 12 or 13 of the BEST tracks on "stripped" not only would she have won for "best pop vocal album" over Justin, she probably would have gotten a album of the year nomination. But those songs towards the end just become too boring and dull. They really take away the momentum of the album which is flawless for the first half but towards the end it just goes down hill.
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Post by KikiMets on Feb 8, 2005 17:04:24 GMT -5
The only songs I think could have been cut were Underappreciated, Make Over, and Soar. That would have made the album 13 songs+intro and interludes.
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Post by The Rebirth Of ffej on Feb 8, 2005 18:27:51 GMT -5
Better than Alica imo....The problem i had with "Stripped" wsa it was way too long, I didn't care by the 10 track |
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Post by freeek04 on Feb 9, 2005 0:20:42 GMT -5
Justin got better reviews than Christina and their sales were similar. So Justin won. I'm glad you believe the Grammy committee can think for themselves in determining what's good music as opposed to relying on what a handful of critics and 12 year old girls think. I think that gives the Grammies SO much credibility because, you know, sales charts are THE authority on what's good music. Cuz everyone else likes it, therefore it MUST be good. |
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Also, giving such a huge array of awards to Norah Jones and Beyonce is just overdoing it. I expect the same to happen with Usher this year. Oh well, it's not like I ever watch them 
