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Post by ingrownhairdyke on Feb 6, 2005 5:14:45 GMT -5
The grammys have already lost all credibility by giving awards 2 artist who dont deserve or not giving 2 those who do.. When do u think they lost all credibility?? these r muahs.. Beyonce winning 5 grammys in one night(seriously these people went overboard that totally took all credibility off them) Stripped losing 2 Justified 4 best pop vocal album.. They have something wrong if they think Justified was a better vocally than Stripped.. That is seriously WRONG ???
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Post by bluenote on Feb 6, 2005 5:21:04 GMT -5
They have something wrong if they think Justified was a better vocally than Stripped.. Who sings better has nothing to do with who has the better album. They were both good albums but Chrisitna had some weak spots on that album towards the end. if she would have shortened the album to about 12 or 13 tracks and left the filler off like "Soar" "Get mine, get yours", "cruz", and "Keep on Singin My song" and maybe even "the voice within" she could have won hands down. As far as Beyocne goes, she shouldnt have won 5 Grammsy in 1 night, but she didnt win in any major categories and there was very little competiton. Her record sales certainly didnt benefit from her wins either. But the categories she won in, she kind of deserved except "best contemporary r&b album." that shouldhave gone to Mary J. Blige. But the "best female r&b vocal performace", "best rap/sung collaboraton," "best r&b song" she definately deserved. I'm not sure about the "best r&b performance/duo or group" though. i cant remember who else was nominated in that category.
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Post by The Rebirth Of ffej on Feb 6, 2005 9:09:57 GMT -5
Beyonce because the album was pure crap
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Post by msanoja on Feb 6, 2005 9:48:16 GMT -5
Beyonce because the album was pure crap I agree. Terrible record.
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Post by Ironically Ironic on Feb 6, 2005 10:29:05 GMT -5
ingroundhairlike:
I seriously f**kING hate when I see hating on the board, whether I like the artist or not and thats exactly what you are doing.
In the 5 of this generating thread, you basically kept saying Bee is overhyped, her albums are crap, she aint that famouse overseas, she aint barely sold nothing.
But you kept defending Christina Aguilera, and saying she sold this much in Europe, and shes huge overseas all that stuff.
Now you make a grammy post and just bring these 2 up. Now theres somehthing fishy about that.
Justin got better reviews than Christina and their sales were similar. So Justin won.
Bee: When you think if the big winner, you think if the big categories and which she won. But she didnt win any big ones, just the smaller ones. Crazy In Love deserved all and so did DIL for vocal. The Closer I Get TO you w/ Luther Vandross also deserved it. Now best contemporary album: people say its crap( even though I love it), but her biggest competition was Janet and Anthony. Janet reviews wasnt the best and she only went platinum, so she lost. Anthony hadabove average reviews, but has it even went platinum. So, Bee won,
Bee deserved all but just seeing "5",make you think that she didnt, but she did.
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Post by allow that on Feb 6, 2005 10:56:58 GMT -5
Beyonce because the album was pure crap Yeah, simply put she doesn't deserve being called "5-time Grammy winner." Was she worthy of 1 or two Grammy's? Yes. 5? Nooooo way. That's more than Mariah, Janet, and Madonna have in their whole career. That's 1 less Grammy than Toni Braxton has in her whole career, and her first 2 (maybe 3) albums are real art. I hate how Grammy's have sold out just so their telecast attracts more viewers.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Feb 6, 2005 11:57:47 GMT -5
For someone who is older than me.... Did the Grammys always pick a favorite and give them 5+ awards in one night? And if they did, was it artists like Beyonce?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2005 12:01:33 GMT -5
For someone who is older than me.... Did the Grammys always pick a favorite and give them 5+ awards in one night? And if they did, was it artists like Beyonce? The Grammys rarely did it. That's why it was such a big deal when Michael Jackson and Santana walked home with so many. Now it's like the usual.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Feb 6, 2005 12:09:59 GMT -5
I like it better when its spread out. I can think of very, very few artists that are so perfect they deserve ungodly amounts of Grammys in one night.
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Post by babyboylrtm on Feb 6, 2005 12:48:25 GMT -5
Beyonce because the album was pure crap
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Post by The Rebirth Of ffej on Feb 6, 2005 13:01:16 GMT -5
ingroundhairlike: I seriously f**kING hate when I see hating on the board, whether I like the artist or not and thats exactly what you are doing. In the 5 of this generating thread, you basically kept saying Bee is overhyped, her albums are crap, she aint that famouse overseas, she aint barely sold nothing. But you kept defending Christina Aguilera, and saying she sold this much in Europe, and shes huge overseas all that stuff. Now you make a grammy post and just bring these 2 up. Now theres somehthing fishy about that. Justin got better reviews than Christina and their sales were similar. So Justin won. Bee: When you think if the big winner, you think if the big categories and which she won. But she didnt win any big ones, just the smaller ones. Crazy In Love deserved all and so did DIL for vocal. The Closer I Get TO you w/ Luther Vandross also deserved it. Now best contemporary album: people say its crap( even though I love it), but her biggest competition was Janet and Anthony. Janet reviews wasnt the best and she only went platinum, so she lost. Anthony hadabove average reviews, but has it even went platinum. So, Bee won, Bee deserved all but just seeing "5",make you think that she didnt, but she did. If it makes you feel better, I think Christinas album is a piese of crap too, and I dispise Justin. But unlike Beyonce they weren't shoved down our thoarts every telecast.
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Post by bluenote on Feb 6, 2005 13:56:48 GMT -5
ingroundhairlike: but her biggest competition was Janet and Anthony. Janet reviews wasnt the best and she only went platinum, so she lost. Anthony hadabove average reviews, but has it even went platinum. So, Bee won. Janet? Janet wasnt nominated last year for anything. She had no material out, she is nominated this year for best contemporary r&b album. Beyonce was in the category last year with Ashanti, Mary J. Blige and i cant remember the others. Also, sales are not really factored into the Grammy decisions. Yeah, simply put she doesn't deserve being called "5-time Grammy winner." Was she worthy of 1 or two Grammy's? Yes. 5? Nooooo way. That's more than Mariah, Janet, and Madonna have in their whole career. That's 1 less Grammy than Toni Braxton has in her whole career, and her first 2 (maybe 3) albums are real art. Janet has 5 Grammys.
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Post by KikiMets on Feb 6, 2005 14:03:20 GMT -5
I like it better when its spread out. I can think of very, very few artists that are so perfect they deserve ungodly amounts of Grammys in one night. I agree, and I think it makes the shows kinda boring when most of the awards are snapped up by one or two acts.
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Post by bluenote on Feb 6, 2005 14:07:09 GMT -5
I like it better when its spread out. I can think of very, very few artists that are so perfect they deserve ungodly amounts of Grammys in one night. Yea. Beyonce should have won 3 that night. 2 for "crazy in love" and 1 for vocal performance on "dangerously in love." I have a feeling that this years show wont be dominated by 1 artist....unless its Ray Charles.
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Post by KikiMets on Feb 6, 2005 14:12:40 GMT -5
I have a feeling that this years show wont be dominated by 1 artist I agree. Kanye, Usher, and Alicia all got a lot of nominations, but they tend to overlap with regard to the categories.
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Post by britrocks16 on Feb 6, 2005 14:27:06 GMT -5
I can't believe I'm going to say this but I think Usher deserves atleast 3-4 grammys this year. Like him or not, his album was a really good solid album and he worked hard on it.
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Post by Ragin on Feb 6, 2005 15:12:03 GMT -5
Nobody on here has even come close to giving a good example of the Grammy's having no credibility. Believe me, there are plenty of examples, but debating Justified and Stripped? Slagging on Beyonce?
pathetic
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Post by automyskin89 on Feb 6, 2005 15:13:23 GMT -5
beyonce/destiny's child, single artist(s)
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Post by agon666 on Feb 6, 2005 15:24:08 GMT -5
I have a feeling that this years show wont be dominated by 1 artist....unless its Ray Charles. How many nominations does Green Day have... 7? If anyone dominates, it'll be Ray or Green Day.
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Post by babyboylrtm on Feb 6, 2005 15:31:44 GMT -5
Nobody on here has even come close to giving a good example of the Grammy's having no credibility. Believe me, there are plenty of examples, but debating Justified and Stripped? Slagging on Beyonce? pathetic LoL, Mariah only 2 grammys?
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Post by Pink Champagne Ricochet on Feb 6, 2005 15:42:49 GMT -5
i think Clay Aiken was snubbed for "Solitaire", but nobody agrees with me Let's Get It Started for Record of the Year anyone? Britney Spears being nominated for best Vocal Performance in multiple years. Her nomination this year is the only one she's ever deserved. i bought Beyonce's album when it came out and it was OK. not amazing, but on the good side. IIRC the reviews weren't completely glowing either. I thought Stripped was definitely better as a cohesive whole, although Dangerously In Love has some individual songs that stand out ahead.
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Post by Ironically Ironic on Feb 6, 2005 15:48:29 GMT -5
I think O Brother, Where out Thou, a soundtrack, should have not won best album. Outkast- Stankonia should have won that.
I thought India Arie should have won best r&b album over Alcicia Keys
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Post by babyboylrtm on Feb 6, 2005 16:17:20 GMT -5
i think Clay Aiken was snubbed for "Solitaire", but nobody agrees with me Let's Get It Started for Record of the Year anyone? Britney Spears being nominated for best Vocal Performance in multiple years. Her nomination this year is the only one she's ever deserved. i bought Beyonce's album when it came out and it was OK. not amazing, but on the good side. IIRC the reviews weren't completely glowing either. I thought Stripped was definitely better as a cohesive whole, although Dangerously In Love has some individual songs that stand out ahead. i hate clay but im with u in that one and britney deserved the Grammy for Female Pop when she was nominated for BOMT or OIDIA... Stripped was awsome, DIL wasn't that good for me
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Post by bluenote on Feb 6, 2005 16:27:08 GMT -5
Not nominating Toxic for record of the year just because it was Britney. >:(
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Post by ingrownhairdyke on Feb 6, 2005 16:39:22 GMT -5
the funny thing is that i'm not sure who it was that one 4 best song of the year or w/e n then Beyonce wins w/her song over that persons song in another category?WTF? I think it was Luther V... If they gave her song a grammy over his song "dance with my father" or w/e its called then "Beautiful" definately deserved a grammy.. Many people were able 2 relate 2 that song not just stupid soccer moms
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Post by ingrownhairdyke on Feb 6, 2005 16:45:40 GMT -5
I can't believe I'm going to say this but I think Usher deserves atleast 3-4 grammys this year. Like him or not, his album was a really good solid album and he worked hard on it. speak 4 yourself most people on here though that album was krap n overhyped.. Many people work hard on their album yet it never pays off.. So y should it 4 him.. He does not deserve anything if u ask me.. They were all stupid love songs
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Post by Ironically Ironic on Feb 6, 2005 16:46:48 GMT -5
best r&b song and song of the year is diff. They are based on the lyrics but there is a diff criteria of what should win depending on the genre of music.
And why are we still on Bee and Christina. There has been 40 something years in grammy history and we keep talking about these 2 artists from the first post.
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Post by KikiMets on Feb 6, 2005 17:02:03 GMT -5
speak 4 yourself most people on here though that album was krap n overhyped.. Many people work hard on their album yet it never pays off.. So y should it 4 him.. He does not deserve anything if u ask me.. They were all stupid love songs Even Yeah?
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Post by britrocks16 on Feb 6, 2005 17:22:31 GMT -5
Not nominating Toxic for record of the year just because it was Britney. >:( I know!! She totally deserved it and yet they don't give her a nomination >:( It reminds me of the vma's where they didn't give toxic one single award!! >:( >:(
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Post by Night Senses on Feb 6, 2005 17:45:06 GMT -5
The Grammys are iffy with me. Sometimes they get it right and sometimes they just do crazy things that make you go, "Huh?" They've pissed me off so many times.
I was very, very annoyed when Mariah Carey sat in her seat through five or six nominations, without winning a single one for her Daydream album. Not ONE. Call me crazy, but it felt so malicious to me, especially since she hasn't won since her debut. I hope she never goes again, even if she does get nominated and win. Mail it to her - she's got better things to do.
The India.Arie snub also upset me. I felt she deserved some of those awards Alicia Keys scrapped up, personally. Alicia made a good album, but I felt as though she was a tad bit overrated that year. India.Arie may not have sold that much, but I enjoyed her first album much better than Songs In A Minor. Debating on the second albums from these ladies, though - Alicia wins, hands down (which is why I'm rooting for her this year).
Beyonce winning five Grammys just wasn't right. She's on the same level as Lauryn Hill now? Does that make any sense? I like Beyonce, so seeing her take home one or two would be great, because she deserved it. But five? That's excessive and just not right. They couldn't find anyone else to award? NO female R&B artist was better than Beyonce in 2003? I find that hard to believe.
Justin - that's my boy (see the avatar). But saying he deserved 'Best Pop Vocal Album' is like me saying I deserve to keep the money I successfully robbed from a bank. Just because you did it succesfully, doesn't mean it's yours to have. Annie Lennox or Christina Aguilera should've taken it home. I felt their albums were better in the category. However, for Best Male Pop Vocal, I had no problem with that at all. Sting or Justin would've been fine with me.
The biggest upset of them all is Janet not getting an album nod for The Velvet Rope, which is arguably her best work to date. Why was it ignored? You can nominate the lead video, and the second single, but ignore the album? And why did the Rhythm Nation and Control albums get ignored? Why can't they award her for the great work she has put out? Video and single awards don't mean squat to me, because it's so obvious. She should've gotten Best Pop Vocal Album in 1990 for Rhythm Nation, no doubt. It's one of the best pop albums of the 80's.
But beyond that, there have been some good moments, such as Lauryn Hill getting all the credit she deserved and Madonna finally getting her dues, among others.
This year looks to be an up and down year. If it's not as predictable as I'm expecting it to be, Green Day or Alicia Keys will march on stage to accept 'Album of the Year', as both are equally deserving, IMO. I like Usher's music, too. But I'm tired of popularity contests, and the best seller does not always equate to the best album.
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