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Post by 7thfairway on Jan 27, 2006 21:25:23 GMT -5
That's a good point, but I think backup singers are different from dancers or pyro. If anything they actually would make the show even more real, since there would be no prerecorded music involved at all. I think she used backing singers on her last tour. She started out using back up singers and experimented with different ones and different numbers of them but she slowly did away with them altogether and ALL of her last 20 big arena concerts, including her entire Australian Tour was accappella Kelly - just her and her music. 2 of her band mates sing a little back up but essentially its EXACTLY what Kelly wants it to be - her and her music - thats it and thats all. |
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Post by slowmo on Jan 27, 2006 21:50:44 GMT -5
During the Breakaway Tour she used backing tracks. On the Hazel Eyes Tour before the postponed shows, she had two backup singers. The rest of the shows after the postponed ones, two or three of her band members provided the backing.
By far my favorite were the last two because it gave her room to try some different things with the songs. I think the one that it showed the most with is Addicted. If I recall correctly, there were no backing vocals at all on the BT for this song and it was very lacking in my opinion. On the HET, the song was so many times better because there was that depth in the vocal layerings that was lacking on the previous tour. She then took it to a different level on the very last little leg of her US tour with the guys singing and her adding little things here and there on it.
But anyway, back to the original question... she can when she wants. Just because someone can do something doesn't mean that they need to do it every single time. It kind of loses a little bit of the specialness if you're constantly hit over the head with something. And as Splitchick mentioned a few posts back, many of Kelly's televised appearances have come at a time when she's doing a crap load of stuff including tour dates, traveling, interviews and such.
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Post by thedoctorluke on Jan 28, 2006 2:17:25 GMT -5
Lemme just say this... I recorded Kelly on both SUBG and BTHE and she CAN hit those notes without any help. She sings her ass off!!! The thing to remember is that live you can't sing that high all the time and for that long. When Kelly sings live she often has to sing again the very next day. No singer can sing those 2 songs with that amount of range that often consistently... Nobody! Anyway, just my thoughts from somebody who actually recorded her sing those notes with ease...  |
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Post by slowmo on Jan 28, 2006 2:22:47 GMT -5
Thank you for stepping in here and saying something. I was hoping you would make an appearance.
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Post by Pink Champagne Ricochet on Jan 28, 2006 10:27:28 GMT -5
Lemme just say this... I recorded Kelly on both SUBG and BTHE and she CAN hit those notes without any help. She sings her ass off!!! The thing to remember is that live you can't sing that high all the time and for that long. When Kelly sings live she often has to sing again the very next day. No singer can sing those 2 songs with that amount of range that often consistently... Nobody! Anyway, just my thoughts from somebody who actually recorded her sing those notes with ease... I knew it  |
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Post by babyboylrtm on Jan 28, 2006 11:04:52 GMT -5
Lemme just say this... I recorded Kelly on both SUBG and BTHE and she CAN hit those notes without any help. She sings her ass off!!! The thing to remember is that live you can't sing that high all the time and for that long. When Kelly sings live she often has to sing again the very next day. No singer can sing those 2 songs with that amount of range that often consistently... Nobody! Anyway, just my thoughts from somebody who actually recorded her sing those notes with ease... I knew it hit those notes Kelly!  |
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Post by OUcultjam on Jan 28, 2006 14:55:54 GMT -5
Thanks doc/Luke!!  About the backup singers... I don't remember hearing any backing tracks during the Breakaway Tour, although I could understand having them during SUBG. However, I'm no expert. I do have audio of the shows and I don't hear a backing track - Kelly sings her songs in an original manner (not exactly what is on the CD) so it would be very difficult to have a backing track to match. She had the backup singers during the Hazel Eyes tour when Schick sponsored it and she had the extra money to hire them, redo the set, etc. She lost the backup singers and video screens when the Schick-sponsored concerts were over. |
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Post by slowmo on Jan 28, 2006 17:45:56 GMT -5
My bad, you're right about the backup singers on the Breakaway Tour. I was thinking of SUBG which I believe she did use them for, but the rest she didn't.
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Post by JayBoozer on Jan 28, 2006 20:18:50 GMT -5
SHE specifically chooses NOT to use back up singers. She wants her live concert show to be ALL ABOUT THE MUSIC, her, her voice, and her 6 piece band. I think her reasons are because she doesn't want to put on a complex, contrived show full of smoke and mirrors - just her, her band, and the music - no dancers, no fireworks, nothing but kick a$$ music. Thats what Kelly Clarkson is all about. Her concerts are a non-stop barrage of vocal fireworks - I've never been to any other performers concert where the vocalist works any harder, faster, or performs any better. She rocks your sox and thats what she wants you to take away from her concerts. One reason I really love Kelly is because of the amazing harmonies she has in her songs. The pre-chorus and chorus in BTHE, the floating voices on top in the bridge of BOY, the 2nd pre chorus in since u been gone. They're all amazing. So I get pretty dissapointed when she doesn't have back up singers, because IMO harmony is essential to a song. |
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Post by dbhmr on Jan 29, 2006 23:05:06 GMT -5
As a huge fan, it always disappoints me a little when Kelly vocally tones down her performances, but it is completely understandable. For Celine's vegas tours, she has a backtrack that is completely in sync with her live singing so if she's ever feeling weak she can give the signal and in comes the recorded track. Mariah has been known to lip sync throughout her career, and so has Whitney Houston (I chose those three as examples because they have undeniably brilliant voices and have had shining moments live).
Kelly, however, can never lip sync. Ever. Not only because she doesn't want to, but because her background came from a show in which she had to prove herself live every week, lip syncing would ring faults and questions--like does she still have that voice?
Therefore, she needs to save her voice somehow, but the notes are still there in various performances. Here are my favorite performances of her songs off the album that include those great notes:
SUBG: AOL sessions, MTV/VH1 acoustic, Ellen DeGeneres, SNL
BTHE: MTV/VH1 acoustic; at the San Jose concert on the last "cried" she went up to that high layered note with stunning clarity, it really came out of nowhere since she never does it but was a much-welcomed change
BOY: I have never heard her do the key change, which has been disappointing, but the key change only brings her to an E two octaves above middle C. In SUBG and BTHE she hits a G and an F sharp two octaves above middle C, respectively. And in the bridge for BOY she hits a D, so it's not too much of a difference, especially considering she holds the note D on "thing" longer than the E on "any(one else in)" in BOY.
Hear Me: I know it's not a single but she gives a flawless--even better than on the CD in my opinion--performance on AOL Sessions.
Miss Independent: She hit some of her highest notes ever when she ad libs throughout this song...what a great rendition of it, so much better than on the album.
So yeah, those are some examples and I hope they help you out. You can probably find most of them on youtube.com. Kelly's voice isn't perfect and any artist who sings songs as vocally challenging as she, Mariah, Celine, Christina, Whitney, etc. have to make adjustments so they can keep on giving their fans music for years to come.
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Post by kwab on Jan 30, 2006 7:10:38 GMT -5
The only time that she has done the key change for BOY was on the Breakaway Tour when the song was accompanied by the band. She's said that the key change doesn't sound that good with the piano which is why they did away with it.
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Post by OUcultjam on Jan 30, 2006 15:01:40 GMT -5
dbhmr, beautiful post! Wow, you know the notes! I love to hear Kelly sing that small part of "One Moment in Time" from SNL last year. Her voice shines. Here's a clip on youtube.com: "One Moment in Time" |
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Post by dbhmr on Jan 30, 2006 21:37:46 GMT -5
OUcultjam, I totally agree...I just love that small clip. I wish she had sung more, but yeah she sounds amazing.
And thanks for your comments, my sister's a pretty serious singer so I've picked up on random musical tidbits through osmosis I guess :)
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Post by lyrichord on Jan 30, 2006 22:49:13 GMT -5
I do really admire singers that can hit all the high hard notes in their live performances, but I think the change ups make individual live performances more interesting, otherwise you should just listen to the CD. For Kelly, I prefer to listen to her live acoustic studio performances from NapsterLive and Sony Connect, those are just perfect.
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Post by musiclives on Feb 2, 2006 23:12:48 GMT -5
Kelly HAS hit those live notes in two of those songs below are the performances in which she does so:
Since U Been Gone ( The Ellen Degeneres Show )
Since U Been Gone ( The Tonight Show )
Since U Been Gone ( Live @ VH1 )
Behind These Hazel Eyes ( Live @ VH1 )
not heard Because Of You though, she said when she does not remove the key change part of the song that it sounds to "schmaltzy"
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Post by strong4PMB! on Feb 3, 2006 20:06:47 GMT -5
Who's expected to sing the chorus too? Well, usually an artist sings the chorus on record too, so they are expected to do it live. ;) |
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Post by JayBoozer on Feb 13, 2006 0:28:04 GMT -5
not heard Because Of You though, she said when she does not remove the key change part of the song that it sounds to "schmaltzy" Then why was it recorded in the first place and why is it still for me the most powerful part of the song? |
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Post by musiclives on Feb 13, 2006 1:01:33 GMT -5
She means the live version, not the recorded version. I really don't know though...I also love that part of the song! I was hoping at the grammys she would perform the song in its full length.
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Post by Jeff on Feb 13, 2006 15:38:05 GMT -5
Do you think those lines could be too poweful for Kelly?
Do you ever hear X-Tina sing "I'm Ok" live? no.. the fact that Kelly not only sings it, but released it as a single is amazing to me.
We never know the full reasons why, and might never know.
Kelly is an amazing LIVE vocalist, and an amazing recorded vocalist. You rarely ge tthat this day and age.. just be grateful.
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Post by Caviar on Feb 13, 2006 19:06:11 GMT -5
What key change are you keys talking about? There's nothing vocally challenging about BOY. ? ???
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Post by JayBoozer on Feb 13, 2006 22:47:40 GMT -5
What key change are you keys talking about? There's nothing vocally challenging about BOY. ? ??? She'd have to belt an F that is octave above the F above middle C. It is extremely taxing for a woman to do that in chest voice, which is my theory as to why she doesn't do it. Ps I'm a guy  . |
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