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Post by No Brake$ on Mar 7, 2006 18:41:46 GMT -5
(RAISES HAND) I'm 19. This will certainly debut in the top 5 on my personal chart. What's wrong, No Brakes? You don't appreciate the legends? This will blow you out of the water with its incredible debut this week. Face it; Pearl Jam are right up there with Nirvana - they helped make alternative a format and bring it to radio. They are the only grunge band still standing. Grunge - the format that killed off hair metal and single-handedly brought post-grunge, perhaps the biggest selling form of rock music ever. Pearl Jam. And they are back, baby. Matchbox Twenty? Goo Goo Dolls? ??? I'm afraid YOU need to get with the times, partner. My bad, you are right, if a song is going to cruise on the Counting Down with JDMasta chart Top 5 this week, we better start alarming people. The point I'm making, is Pearl Jam has been VERY disappointing lately, especially coming from a PJ fan myself. The last two albums have been garbage, I hope this is better. As far as Matchbox Twenty and Goo Goo Dolls...ever look at iTunes lately? They still have a lot of fans and commercially have been around longer than Pearl Jam...especially the Goo Goo Dolls, and I hope PJ can turn it around. I agree, wherever a song charts doesnt certify is a group is doing well or not, but for Pearl Jam standards, they have been flopping all over the place. People are like, well, maybe music videos would help Pearl Jam...but they don't even do them so it doesn't matter....yeah videos have really helped groups lately considerin they are on from 1am-6am on VH1 and no longer on any of the MTV's. Wake up, RHCP, Stone Temple Pilots, Soundgarden\Audioslave, NIRVANA obv, and Green Day we're much more important artists and can still ride on that today, that's why they are still having a fine time producing songs that people play. Sure, spins don't necesserily account for success, but to some degree, it's about time Pearl Jam had a hit. Only the diehards are still riding with them, because I sure as hell have given by now. I'm not even getting into the Nirvana vs. Pearl Jam discussion, but Nirvana was light years ahead of Pearl Jam. Yes, Pearl Jam WAS a great band, I hope for a comeback, but I'm entitled to my opinion, to say that I <- ME, do not think it will happen. They were a group that definitely paved way for a lot of the music of the late 90's, but as far as some of the latest artists now...the Blue-Collar Era (1999-2002) is over, and only a few groups have been able to pull through it. I think a lot of groups from the 80's who haven't got any respect such as The Smiths (I'm glad you gave props though to Morrissey ), New Order, Depeche Mode, U2 , Genesis, Sting, Cars, Clash, etc. Today's latest 'hot groups' are much more dependant on those groups than the PJ's, STP, AIC, etc.
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Post by jdmasta289 on Mar 7, 2006 19:52:26 GMT -5
So just because Pearl Jam haven't been successful automatically means you don't like them? You make it seem like just because radio isn't playing them and they aren't as successful as a result, they should be shunned?
The latest "hot groups" are more dependent on the Smiths, Cure, etc. than grunge?
Although it has eased somewhat, I hardly believe your "blue-collar era" is over. Plenty of bands still rely on AIC, PJ, and the like, and they are still kicking ass on the rock charts nowadays - Nickelback, Godsmack, Crossfade, Staind, Shinedown, Seether, Audioslave, Foo Fighters, Three Days Grace, Korn, Disturbed, Trapt, 3 Doors Down, 10 Years, and Avenged Sevenfold, all of whom scored major success in '05 and '06. Tell them that they are done...and I'll tell you that 7 of those artists have gone platinum with their newest records. System of a Down, 10 Years, and Shinedown have each gone #1 this year!!!
Of course Matchbox 20 and the Goo Goo Dolls continue to score success here. That's why they haven't had a single top 10 hit since 1998. The last one, "Here Is Gone" made it to around #17 and was quickly dropped by the alt. stations who actually played it back in 2002.
YOU compare the numbers.
Nirvana have had 15 alternative top 50 songs. Pearl Jam have had 35.
Pearl Jam have gone platinum eight times. Nirvana three.
Listen, I'm not saying Pearl Jam have had more influence than Nirvana. Hell, Nirvana are obviously #1. But don't pigeonhole Pearl Jam because they decide to write non-commercial music and try to sell records with hits for the masses. Accept the fact that Pearl Jam haven't even WANTED commercial success since Ten, for Christ sake.
Also, what can you say about 311 and Jane's Addiction? I guess they SUCK because they can't have lasting power and sell a huge amount with their new albums. Give me a freaking break.
The difference between you and me, No Brakes, is that I admire when a successful musician decides to stop writing commercial music and explore his or her artistic side, setting their band to completely new artistic standards. You shun them for doing that and hate it when artists try to write what they want instead of trying to satisfy the masses.
So have a nice freaking day.
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Post by allnightmarelong on Mar 7, 2006 20:20:41 GMT -5
Im gonna quote Chad from Nickelback here, "just because you sell 20 million records than the next album only sells half that doesnt mean you're any less successful. you're not going to please everyone." I think thats a strong point. just because Pearl Jam hasnt had the same success at pushing albums doesnt mean they are only less of a band. who can say they've toured and sold out as many shows as Pearl Jam has around the world? as far as album sales go, yes they havent done as well but no every album well sell great. look at bands like AC/DC or the Rolling Stones. they dont sell as many albums as they used to but people still love them because they good at what they do. give credit where credit is due. you dont have to like Pearl Jam but you have to give them props for what they've done.
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Post by Pipa on Mar 7, 2006 20:53:27 GMT -5
As far as grunge bands go, I really don't think of Pearl Jam much. I respect them and all, but honestly, I never fully listened to any of the songs off of Ten until last year. His voice just really annoys me.
For some reason, this reminds me of Doug and the Slugs.
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Post by No Brake$ on Mar 7, 2006 21:03:35 GMT -5
So just because Pearl Jam haven't been successful automatically means you don't like them? You make it seem like just because radio isn't playing them and they aren't as successful as a result, they should be shunned? The latest "hot groups" are more dependent on the Smiths, Cure, etc. than grunge? Of course Matchbox 20 and the Goo Goo Dolls continue to score success here. That's why they haven't had a single top 10 hit since 1998. The last one, "Here Is Gone" made it to around #17 and was quickly dropped by the alt. stations who actually played it back in 2002. YOU compare the numbers. Nirvana have had 15 alternative top 50 songs. Pearl Jam have had 35. Pearl Jam have gone platinum eight times. Nirvana three. Also, what can you say about 311 and Jane's Addiction? I guess they SUCK because they can't have lasting power and sell a huge amount with their new albums. Give me a freaking break. The difference between you and me, No Brakes, is that I admire when a successful musician decides to stop writing commercial music and explore his or her artistic side, setting their band to completely new artistic standards. You shun them for doing that and hate it when artists try to write what they want instead of trying to satisfy the masses. So have a nice freaking day. A. Who ever says "have a nice freaking day"....I don't even know what to say that, come on... B. Matchbox Twenty hasn't had a top 10 hit since 1998....are you on acid? Bent (#1), If You're Gone (#3), Smooth (#1), Lonely No More (#7), Unwell (#3).....look before you talk. C. 311 and Jane's aren't having lasting success? Again, are you on H? Both have has Alternative #1's in the past 2 years. D. Our boy Kurt died more than a decade ago...kind of leaves Pearl Jam a lot of time to tally up hits...and giving credit to "Top 50" songs on Alternative isn't saying much, I believe in order to go top 50 you usually need about 250 spins in the week. If you want to go on Top 50 hits, many groups could match PJ. E. Who the hell likes any of those groups you listed from the Blue Collar era anymore? Get with it, or more important, who even liked them then? White Trash....don't stereotype good bands in the genre dominated by "The Kids Left Out at school, etc." F. Just because you sell a lot less albums doesn't mean that it was good and that the group was being artistic...I HAVE THE ALBUMS. Look at Radiohead..they outsold their past albums in the 90's with some really experimental uncommercial material...sometimes when a group experiments, it's because it's crap. G. I think people should be banned for discussing chart positions bases on their own personal charts...it's such a pet-peave....guess what, Pearl Jam's new song is a recurrent already on my chart and 808 by Blaque has been #1 for 246 weeks...it's going to be a smash hit.
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Post by jdmasta289 on Mar 7, 2006 21:59:48 GMT -5
You are just completely misunderstanding what I am saying. Matchbox Twenty and the Goo Goo Dolls are POP bands, continuing what they are doing on a completely different format. Maybe you should discuss it there; because they aren't relevant here anymore. Either way, the Goo Goo Dolls haven't scored a pop hit since 2002; a top 5 pop hit since 1998. Matchbox Twenty did have success with their last album, but using these two bands as examples is just bad. No Doubt now have pop success, and does that make their past material any more relevant here???
And who says you could throw in opinions based on the "post-grunge" bands. I am saying that Nirvana, PJ, AIC, etc. had influence on THEM - and they are just as big NOW as they have ever been - like it or not. Sure, Nickelback & 3DD have slid somewhat, considering they aren't scoring multiple top 10s like they were, but of course they are being replaced by NEW nu-metal/post-grunge bands like 10 Years, Shinedown, Seether, & Avenged Sevenfold. Apparently a lot of people still like those categories now.
You rip me for making a statement (which had NOTHING to do with my argument) about Pearl Jam on my personal chart, yet you throw in random opinions ripping the bands of today. Of course, you can do that if we weren't having this argument, but don't use it as an argument against mine.
311 had two hits off their newest album, which slipped CONSIDERABLY after they peaked. Jane's Addiction's song didn't even go recurrent, and "True Nature" didn't hit above #35 or so. My point? Neither of those band's albums have gone platinum to my knowledge, as Riot Act & Binaural did.
Regarding the comparison of Nirvana & Pearl Jam, I was simply stating a fact. Pearl Jam have far outsold Nirvana & released more. Does that make them better? Absolutely not. You can't say that Pearl Jam suck now because they don't have chart & sales success like they used to.
Radiohead never started off mainstream. They have rode critics' reviews & a strong fanbase from the beginning. Pearl Jam weren't that kind of band when they started out. They WERE for the masses. That's why you don't like them anymore - because they AREN'T now. And I'm saying that attitude is wrong.
- No more music videos after Ten
- Suing TicketMaster
- 72 live albums
- Moving to England and performing only in small clubs/venues
That takes balls after massive success with their first album. That is why I admire Eddie, and respect this band so much. They don't care about success anymore; they just want to come from the heart and make honest music. For you to spit on. Nobody can ever take their legacy away.
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Post by SyrupBoy on Mar 7, 2006 23:07:15 GMT -5
311 had two hits off their newest album, which slipped CONSIDERABLY after they peaked. Jane's Addiction's song didn't even go recurrent, and "True Nature" didn't hit above #35 or so. My point? Neither of those band's albums have gone platinum to my knowledge, as Riot Act & Binaural did. Not to nitpick, but those two albums were certified gold, not platinum. Big difference. Most established artists in Pearl Jam's vein see their new albums go gold after the first few weeks. For an album to go platinum usually requires sustainability, which Pearl Jam really hasn't had since Vitalogy. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Binaural and Riot Act. In fact, I think 'Nothing As It Seems' is the band's best single in the last decade. But those two albums as a whole aren't as strong as the others, and the airplay and sales from that period seem to correlate. Not even remotely true. Radiohead were doomed by critics to one-hit wonder status when they started out because of the huge mainstream success of Creep. Their debut album was given a lukewarm critical reaction at best and was widely panned. It wasn't until their second album that they began to win over the critics.
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Post by jdmasta289 on Mar 8, 2006 1:30:33 GMT -5
You know what, I'm tired of all the comparisons and arguing. I'm tired of people ripping on Pearl Jam and saying they are something they are not. I'm tired of people not appreciating their talent and direction. I'm tired of people giving explanations for how they've "fallen" over the last few albums.
I hope Pearl Jam proves all the haters and doubters wrong. I hope this is a moderate comeback for them; I hope the first single hits top 10 within the first week and goes to #1.
All of us need to appreciate just how great this band was. I'm tired of people praising the other grunge bands, without paying Pearl Jam an ounce of honor or respect. I'm tired of this being overlooked and disrespected. They are the legacy; they are the last remaining grunge-rock band. Personally, I love them, and I hope they prove everyone wrong and come back with radio success, some videos, and a great album.
The reality is: They have had success. Plenty of success. They have more charting songs here than anyone else in history. 2 #1s, many top 10s, and so many legendary songs still played on radio today. They have it all. Alice In Chains, Screaming Trees, or soundgarden did not enjoy an ounce of the success they have had. Not even STP could outlast Pearl Jam. I'm just tired of the bickering; me trying to prove everyone else wrong. So I'll let Pearl Jam do it. Hopefully, radio stations will think for themselves here; and not play this for two weeks and then going back to playing all their golds 10 times a day.
Pearl Jam have such an amazing, extensive catalogue of diverse rock songs - everything from standard ballads like "Nothingman", true (and politically charged) rockers like "Do The Evolution", and straightforward rock songs like "Given To Fly". I'm tired of people just comparing their latest albums to "Ten" and nothing else. Ten is over. Get over it. The new Pearl Jam is in; like it or not. Accept it.
They are one of the hardest working bands in recent memory. Touring constantly, doing benefits with free concert tickets. Also having one of the most dedicated online fanbases (The Ten Club).
God knows Pearl Jam need to be appreciated; I just hope this is the one to prove everyone wrong.
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Post by No Brake$ on Mar 8, 2006 10:53:08 GMT -5
All of us need to appreciate just how great this band was.. "was"......You honky! You just admitted it yourself!
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Post by jdmasta289 on Mar 8, 2006 14:30:40 GMT -5
This is a radio DJ's excellent journal entry about Pearl Jam. The station is 96.5 the buzz, here in Kansas City. It really is a must-read. I hope it's legal for me to do this, but I felt I must. I think it sums up the band post-Ten pretty well. ----------------------------------------------------- www.965thebuzz.com/jason/surrogate_religion/mightyPJ.asp So I just played this new Pearl Jam song, about 20 minutes ago... "Worldwide Suicide"... And I asked for some feedback... It was split aobut 50/50, and I think that's roughly the same ratio of people who still care about Pearl Jam to those who don't... ...and I think that ratio is probably broken down along age-lines... Which would make sense, I guess... If you're between the ages of 18-24, that means you were between 3-9 years old when Ten came out... Most of your experience of Pearl Jam begins and ends with the 5 or so songs of theirs you've been hearing again and again and again on the radio your whole short life... And that small bunch of songs are all more than 10 years old... This band hasn't done much for you since you've been old enough to be a part of youth culture... Then there's those of you that are at least in your late 20s... And even if you aren't particularly a devoted fan of Pearl Jam, you remember what that band meant when they came out... Pearl Jam essentially was the new U2... Once Bono became more interested in making songs that sounded claustrophobic, who was left to make the big, sweeping, sincere, meaningful, grand-gesture rock music that could fill arenas??... REM just wasn't that band, however many records and concert tickets they sold... Nirvana didn't want to be that band, obviously... But along comes Eddie Vedder, and not only did Pearl Jam make U2 songs for the 90s, they made no-nonsense U2 songs... There wasn't anything precious or arty about it... In a word, it ROCKED... And when you looked at the garbage that was ruling the rock world at the time (read: Guns N Roses), Pearl Jam was a relief... A big relief... It had been a long, long, long time since a band like Pearl Jam had broken through... The Who, to be precise... Big songs, big chords, a singer with a voice that sounded like it was coming down from Mt. Olympus... And most importantly, that mix of power, vulnerability, and thoughtfulness... And while Nirvana offered destruction, Pearl Jam offered release, and then hope... You could make the argument that for a band of their size and following, Pearl Jam has more integrity than any other band... Who else willfully abandoned MTV??... Who else went to Capitol Hill to fight Ticketmaster??... Who else released over 50 live albums??... Who else has the kind of fanclub that Pearl Jam maintains online? So the question is this... Why do people still care about this band?? Why is it still a big deal when they release a new song?? Surely, it can't be just because of those same 5 songs you hear on every rock station around the country... If that were the case, Pearl Jam would be like Live, or Bush... But, regardless of the fact that they haven't really sounded like the Pearl Jam of Ten and Vs., people continue to love this band... This band still inspires... There was a time in the mid-90s, around the time No Code came out, when a lot of folks thought Pearl Jam was taking things too far... People thought they were being too uncompromising... Understand: Pearl Jam could've gone on to rule the Alt-Rock landscape, unopposed, for as long as they wanted... They could've stuck to a formula, and milked it forever... They didn't, and no TRULY great band has done what they refused to do... Think of it this way, even though it's a complete hypothetical what-if... Take the biggest, most enduring classic rock bands from the pre-MTV era... Take Zeppelin... Take The Who, take Floyd, take Queen, you could even take Rush... What do you think those bands would've done in the face of the marketing machinery and hype-demand that Pearl Jam encountered??... Each of those bands released albums in the mid-late periods of their careers that aren't considered their best, kinda considered past their peak... In the mid-90s, those bands would've been written off, they would've been shoved aside for the next musical fad, they would've been called disappointments... And NONE of those bands relied on MTV to get the word out... Or MySpace for that matter... What I'm trying to say is that in another era, the things Pearl Jam has been faulted for wouldn't have amounted to nearly the condemnation and impatience with which they've been met... Their body of work from Ten to Yield is asbolutely stunning, and it's actually much more consistent than people realize... Never before has there been a band that's been so mercilessly chained to its early work... Almost EVERY great band progresses and evolves in its sound, trying out new styles and presentations... But once Pearl Jam tried this, the backlash was on, and it hasn't really ended... The real irony is this: Pearl Jam has actually become more and more Alternative the longer they're around... I always thought it was a terrible error in judgment that radio programmers in the late 90s didn't stick with Pearl Jam as much as they leaned on Creed, Matchbox 20, and Smash Mouth and Sugar Ray... Big mistake... And not taking Pearl Jam up on the musical challenges they offered was the equivalent of turning your back on Alternative, and Rock, and embracing some kind of Top 40 mentality where every fad and trend and next-big-thing was ingested and shat out within 12-18 months... The other prime victim of this was The Smashing Pumpkins, and Billy just got too discouraged and gave up... But here's Pearl Jam, with a new record label, and a new album... I'm what you'd call a casual fan of PJ... I've got a few albums, and I know a majority of the material on most of their CDs... So I'm probably not the best judge of this new single, not as good as a diehard... Is it a return to Vs.?... I wouldn't go that far... A return to Yield, yes... With Binaural and Riot Act, I had the feeling that they were dropping messages from the top of a walled tower... There was something distant and closed off about most of those songs, with only a few breaks... The best Pearl Jam songs give you a sense of motion, a sense of openness, a sense of space, and there's purpose, forward-motion... I definitely get that feeling from this song, and that's a feeling I haven't had from most of their music since the 90s... So in that respect, this seems like it could be a "return to form"... Either way, I always welcome new Pearl Jam material... It's an event... Everyone is always going to be curious about new Pearl Jam, however many albums removed from Ten and Vs. they get... And that's because everyone still recognizes that Pearl Jam's the real deal, that they're not manufactured... That they're not pandering to ANYONE, that they're still as powerful as they ever were, if not as popular... The simple fact that they haven't conformed makes them mightier every time they stay true to themselves... Do people feel that way about the Chili Peppers or the Foo Fighters?? No, they do not... Both those bands have mastered writing catchy radio-friendly songs, and have done so without diluting their artistic visions... But you don't need me to tell you that THEY AIN'T PEARL JAM... The communal aspect isn't there, the connection... As strange and stubborn as it is, there's a real spiritual element to Pearl Jam, an earthy kind of spirituality... I can't tell you that RHCP or the Foo Fighters aren't emotional, that they don't produce transcendant, beautiful music... They do... But Pearl Jam stands for something... They represent something... They're iconic and mythic in a way very few bands are... And I'm confident that I'm not exaggerating, because without that quality they wouldn't have lasted THIS LONG, in THIS culture... Pearl Jam have outlasted numerous trends and fashions... What they're doing isn't a fashion statement... They're not trying to impress with their cleverness or their ironic sensibilities... None of the great artists do that shit, none of the lasting artists...
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Post by singingsparrow on Mar 8, 2006 15:04:27 GMT -5
Excellent article.
I agree I really have a problem when critics judge Alternative albums based on how close they are to their first album, or better yet, to Kurt Cobain. Every Rolling Stones review I've ever read on a Foo Fighters album refers to Kurt Cobain, saying things like it's obvious the ghost of Cobain tapped on Grohl's shoulder when writing this album, etc. I'm sick of that. I'm interested in focusing on the album as a work of art, not how it compares to a poster child or solely to a quintessential earlier work.
Pearl Jam have consistently matured over the course of their career to date. I'd consider "Vitalogy" their weakest album to date because they made an intentional effort to rock out on that album I feel like they did on "Ten", but every album has taken on a maturing personality. "Ten" was more about tension, "Vs." was more about repose and introspection, "Yield" was more about resolve, and so forth.
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I believe Pearl Jam will never match the sales of "Ten:, "Vs." or "Vitalogy" obviously, but I think they'll get a minor comeback soon. Look at Nine Inch Nails earning three consecutive #1's this album. And especially with yearnings for progressive change influencing this format as of late, politically and socially, I think Pearl Jam, a band long known for being vocal of their political opinions, will benefit from this like "The Hand That Feeds" and "American Idiot" benefitted. Right now, they're endorsing Jon Tester for the U.S Senate in Montana.
They have an on-line fan base that almost all Alternative artists envy having themselves, and I believe all Pearl Jam needs to make a comeback of sorts is a single with lasting impact. I feel it will come from this record.
Sincerely, Noah Eaton
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Mar 9, 2006 3:59:40 GMT -5
jdmasta289, please quit lumping Avenged Sevenfold in with all the "nu-metal/post grunge" bands you've been listing; they are nowhere near either style. Thank you.
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Post by Krypton46 on Mar 11, 2006 3:21:28 GMT -5
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Post by jdmasta289 on Mar 12, 2006 15:32:34 GMT -5
(Thru Sunday morning...)
206 6 PEARL JAM World Wide Suicide 1485 19 1466 12.238
Good Lord. If anything, I hope too many early spins doesn't kill this song. Hell, no Chili Peppers song was set to debut at #5. This is more than any fan could have hoped for.
Oh, and another thing. Pearl Jam aren't relevant anymore?????
Where were the Pixies and R.E.M., two other alternative legends, their first weeks on the chart? I'm not trying to argue that they aren't relevant anymore. People still listen to them and love them. But to state PJ aren't relevant anymore?
Simply unbelievable. The audience impressions also blow me away.
This is no big deal for them, though. It's the second and third singles that will probably define this album.
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Post by singingsparrow on Mar 12, 2006 18:35:52 GMT -5
(Thru Sunday morning...) 206 6 PEARL JAM World Wide Suicide 1485 19 1466 12.238 Good Lord. If anything, I hope too many early spins doesn't kill this song. Hell, no Chili Peppers song was set to debut at #5. This is more than any fan could have hoped for. Oh, and another thing. Pearl Jam aren't relevant anymore????? Where were the Pixies and R.E.M., two other alternative legends, their first weeks on the chart? I'm not trying to argue that they aren't relevant anymore. People still listen to them and love them. But to state PJ aren't relevant anymore? Simply unbelievable. The audience impressions also blow me away. This is no big deal for them, though. It's the second and third singles that will probably define this album. Some may argue it's more the politics that has driven this single than Pearl Jam itself, but any way you look at this, this is great news for Pearl Jam. I have never doubted Pearl Jam can hit big here on this format again because they have something over 95% of Alternative artists lack; an arena-sized battalion of loyalists. Pearl Jam didn't define a generation for nothing before, and their voices carry on to all the same listeners who treat Kurt Cobain, Bob Marley and Neil Young as demi-gods. I absolutely agree the second and third singles will really determine the overall fate of this album, but I believe this single will have significantly more staying power than "I Am Mine" did. I think Pearl Jam may have picked up their "The Hand That feeds" here. It's true it's not for sure yet, but Step I has proven to be a success; getting the message out there. Sincerely, Noah Eaton
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Post by jdmasta289 on Mar 12, 2006 18:59:31 GMT -5
I believe there have only been 4 or 5 songs in the R&R era that have debuted in the top 5 on the alternative chart. "Swallowed" (Bush), "Discotheque" (U2), and "Somewhere I Belong" (Linkin Park) to name a few. PJ have never done it, even though they generated sick first-week adds with the first singles of their previous four albums. Of course, it helps to release the song on a Monday...but you catch my drift.
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Post by singingsparrow on Mar 12, 2006 20:44:03 GMT -5
I believe there have only been 4 or 5 songs in the R&R era that have debuted in the top 5 on the alternative chart. "Swallowed" (Bush), "Discotheque" (U2), and "Somewhere I Belong" (Linkin Park) to name a few. PJ have never done it, even though they generated sick first-week adds with the first singles of their previous four albums. Of course, it helps to release the song on a Monday...but you catch my drift. Yes, this is a first for Pearl Jam. (assuming it rises above "No Way Back" by tonight's final update) "Lakini's Juice" by Live is another that made a Top 5 debut. Sincerely, Noah Eaton
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Post by friday on Mar 13, 2006 1:38:20 GMT -5
Well, now that we're getting into it, here's every song that debuted in the top 10 on Alternative.
R.E.M. - What's The Frequency, Kenneth? (5; 9/16/94) Stone Temple Pilots - Big Bang Baby (5; 3/15/96) U2 - Discotheque (3; 1/17/97) Live - Lakini's Juice (4; 1/24/97) Pearl Jam - Given to Fly (6; 1/9/98) Linkin Park - Somewhere I Belong (4; 3/7/03) Incubus - Megalomaniac (7; 1/9/04) Nine Inch Nails - The Hand That Feeds (10; 3/25/05)
Also, as you can see, "Swallowed" didn't debut in the top 5. It actually debuted at #42 before leaping to #5 the next week.
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Mar 13, 2006 2:57:48 GMT -5
Did R.E.M.'s "E-bow the Letter" do something really similar to "Swallowed," then?
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Post by The Human Strobe on Mar 13, 2006 3:50:04 GMT -5
Did R.E.M.'s "E-bow the Letter" do something really similar to "Swallowed," then? E-Bow the Letter debuted at #11 according to Billboard. Don't know what it's R&R debut is though. Also, before the time of R&R, What's the Frequency, Kenneth debuted at #1. Drive debuted at #4. Losing My Religion debuted at #5, and last but not least, Orange Crush debuted at #9.
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Post by No Brake$ on Mar 13, 2006 9:31:30 GMT -5
Well, now that we're getting into it, here's every song that debuted in the top 10 on Alternative. R.E.M. - What's The Frequency, Kenneth? (5; 9/16/94) Stone Temple Pilots - Big Bang Baby (5; 3/15/96) U2 - Discotheque (3; 1/17/97) Live - Lakini's Juice (4; 1/24/97) Pearl Jam - Given to Fly (6; 1/9/98) Linkin Park - Somewhere I Belong (4; 3/7/03) Incubus - Megalomaniac (7; 1/9/04) Nine Inch Nails - The Hand That Feeds (10; 3/25/05) Also, as you can see, "Swallowed" didn't debut in the top 5. It actually debuted at #42 before leaping to #5 the next week. Interestingly enough, with the exception of Nine Inch Nails and the occasional Incubus, I rarely hear any of these songs anymore. REM had a smash hit, and I love all of those songs, esepcially Given To Fly, I never hear Big Bang Baby, Discotheque, Given To Fly, or Swallowed (if that counts) on the radio, EVER.....WOW, Lakini's Juice cooked. What about Precious Declaration by Collective Soul, I thought that had an impressive debut....and I know Scar Tissue took like two weeks, maybe three max to go #1.
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Post by The Human Strobe on Mar 13, 2006 12:23:00 GMT -5
This reminds me. I only use billboard mainly to have something consistant with a starting date that goes further into the past, and I haven't kept an R&R chart in a long, long time. If anyone has all the old R&R charts, I'd love to have them if someone has them easily obtainable.
As for Precious Declaration, It debuted at #33 on billboard and jumped to #15 the next week with a final peak at #6.
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Post by Walking Contradiction on Mar 13, 2006 18:26:04 GMT -5
Interestingly enough, with the exception of Nine Inch Nails and the occasional Incubus, I rarely hear any of these songs anymore. REM had a smash hit, and I love all of those songs, esepcially Given To Fly, I never hear Big Bang Baby, Discotheque, Given To Fly, or Swallowed (if that counts) on the radio, EVER.....WOW, Lakini's Juice cooked. Move to New Jersey. I've heard WHTG play all these songs recently except "Discotheque".
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Post by No Brake$ on Mar 13, 2006 22:11:46 GMT -5
New Jersey is horrible, never. I would get my ass kicked all over place.
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Post by singingsparrow on Mar 15, 2006 13:30:17 GMT -5
Pearl Jam looks set to go #1 at Alternative.
Though the gains have become minimal, Nine Inch Nails are losing spins, and so it looks as though "Worldwide Suicide" will outpace "Every Day Is Exactly The Same" for #1 this Sunday most likely.
Sincerely, Noah Eaton
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Post by MusicJunkie on Mar 15, 2006 16:10:17 GMT -5
Pearl Jam is so yesterday, they were once great but since Yield have been very disappointing. Not to mention, pretty much everyone under the age of 21 has no interest in this once great group what so ever. Green Day, Beck, Weezer, RHCP, hell even Matchbox Twenty or the Goo Goo Dolls figured out the formula, I don't think Pearl Jam has. I'm 16 and I like Pearl Jam. ;) Judging from their radio success with this song, they're NOT so yesterday. >:( BTW, if any of you want to continue discussing Pearl Jam and other bands' success and who will be remembered in the future, feel free to post in the 'Future Classic Rock Bands' thread in the Your Opinion Please? forum. Similar topics were brought up there and it helps us stay on topic here. ;)
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Post by jdmasta289 on Mar 16, 2006 21:19:16 GMT -5
LOL, 'Future Classic Rock Bands'...nice slam on No Brakes there. Someone needs to not only remind No Brakes of their relevance, but you need to tell your 16 year old friends who claim to love "alternative" music but really just adore Jack Johnson, the Shins, and shun everything else, like the Foo Fighters and ESPECIALLY Pearl Jam (I am actually speaking from my own personal experience with these "alternative" listeners).
#1 BABY!!! EAT THAT!!!!
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Post by singingsparrow on Mar 16, 2006 22:59:51 GMT -5
LOL, 'Future Classic Rock Bands'...nice slam on No Brakes there. Someone needs to not only remind No Brakes of their relevance, but you need to tell your 16 year old friends who claim to love "alternative" music but really just adore Jack Johnson, the Shins, and shun everything else, like the Foo Fighters and ESPECIALLY Pearl Jam (I am actually speaking from my own personal experience with these "alternative" listeners). #1 BABY!!! EAT THAT!!!! Though I strongly disagreed with No Brakes as well, I could understand where he was coming from in suggesting Pearl Jam have been on a decline and such. When you look and see their last two studio albums going only gold, and sizing them up with the 12X platinum "Ten" and 7X platinum "Vs.", it's so easy to suggest that they have lost relevance. Of course you also have to consider that Vedder was trying to distance himself from the fame Pearl Jam received off of "Ten", and thus there were no videos during the "Vs." era nor any singles officially released by the band. Well before even "Riot Act", I've believed that Pearl Jam can make a minor comeback any day now. Often you see Eddie Vedder fit in among the likes of Kurt Cobain, Bob Marley and Neil Young in the artists that most of all defined the Alternative format of today. It's no wonder why every single Alternative station leaped onto this single and pushed it to a #3 debut, as well as the fact they're second only to U2 in total Top 50 Alternative singles; they have established themselves as a legacy name at Alternative and their legacy is very much secure. Sincerely, Noah Eaton
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Post by Walking Contradiction on Mar 16, 2006 23:21:54 GMT -5
Wow...this is probably the most heated thread I've ever seen on this board. I'm just going to say that I think Pearl Jam peaked with Yield, and that I'll take "I Am Mine" any day over this screamfest.
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Post by friday on Mar 17, 2006 1:11:10 GMT -5
as well as the fact they're second only to U2 in total Top 50 Alternative singles I don't know where you got this figure, and I don't want to sound like I've got all these statistics stuffed up my ass, but for the R&R chart, Pearl Jam is ahead of everyone. They've had 27 different charting songs (counting the two versions of "Elderly Woman..." that charted). Green Day is second with 22, and U2 is well behind with 17.
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