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Post by Chato on Jun 25, 2006 6:58:25 GMT -5
Goes for alt adds next week , according to allaccess. If this ever makes the alt chart it is assured a debut in the top5 of my pers. chart.
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Post by JCMF3 on Jun 25, 2006 7:51:06 GMT -5
You depend on radio to dictate your personal chart?
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Post by Chato on Jun 26, 2006 7:56:13 GMT -5
^^ Yes , that makes it much easier for me ... Since this forum is about radio , I don't think it's that unusual . Naturally this does only reflect which tracks on the radio I like . If I wanted to make a chart that's completely accurate I would have to include non-singles and oldies , for example , the song I listened to the most in the last couple of days was Venus As A Boy.
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Jun 29, 2006 0:22:19 GMT -5
Ooh! Bjork! Nice! :)
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Post by crash46 on Jul 21, 2006 23:46:23 GMT -5
I heard this song on 89x's people's choice battle last night, only to find out that it has won 27 nights in a row. I do think it's cool, but when and how did Johnny Cash ever become such a force among the generally what-have-you-done-for-me-lately Alternative listening audience. There has to be more to it than simply releasing a short-lived hit cover song originally by a modern rock legend and having his shirts being hung between Bleeding Through and HIM t-shirts at Hot Topic. I mean, he totally deserves this kind of respect; I just wouldn't assume he'd get it from this audience.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jul 22, 2006 0:50:08 GMT -5
I LOVE the title!
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Jul 22, 2006 21:11:13 GMT -5
I heard this song on 89x's people's choice battle last night, only to find out that it has won 27 nights in a row. I do think it's cool, but when and how did Johnny Cash ever become such a force among the generally what-have-you-done-for-me-lately Alternative listening audience. There has to be more to it than simply releasing a short-lived hit cover song originally by a modern rock legend and having his shirts being hung between Bleeding Through and HIM t-shirts at Hot Topic. I mean, he totally deserves this kind of respect; I just wouldn't assume he'd get it from this audience. I think, upon his death, people have totally been over-stating their Johnny Cash respect. All these people come out of the woodwork now saying how much they love Johnny Cash and have always loved him, y'know, so quick to name-drop him. And it's like, "Yeah, why wasn't I hearing this from your mouth five years ago?"
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Post by jdmasta289 on Jul 24, 2006 16:36:29 GMT -5
I heard this song on 89x's people's choice battle last night, only to find out that it has won 27 nights in a row. I do think it's cool, but when and how did Johnny Cash ever become such a force among the generally what-have-you-done-for-me-lately Alternative listening audience. There has to be more to it than simply releasing a short-lived hit cover song originally by a modern rock legend and having his shirts being hung between Bleeding Through and HIM t-shirts at Hot Topic. I mean, he totally deserves this kind of respect; I just wouldn't assume he'd get it from this audience. I think, upon his death, people have totally been over-stating their Johnny Cash respect. All these people come out of the woodwork now saying how much they love Johnny Cash and have always loved him, y'know, so quick to name-drop him. And it's like, "Yeah, why wasn't I hearing this from your mouth five years ago?" I meant to comment on this sooner, so let me gather my thoughts.... I started listening to Johnny Cash non-stop on a hiking trip my friend, my father, and I took in the summer of '97. I became enthralled, and have been listening to several greatest hits records on and off ever since. So I would consider myself a true fan. That said, there is no reason why Johnny Cash should receive any alternative airplay with a non-alternative cover. "Hurt" peaked around #37, which was rather flukish. Walk The Line and soaring popularity surrounding his death have helped him here, but why aren't country stations playing him instead? He has little to no influence on most alternative artists, and can not be any farther from the genre, in my opinion, despite the fact that he has been incredibly influential among country (and, in some ways, pop) musicians. My "alternative" station is playing this track moderately as well. If Cash is going to get love here, then why aren't old singer-songwriters such as Bob Dylan and Willie Nelson receiving any? It seems random, and I agree with Nick that most of the people who adore Johnny Cash are really just bandwagon-hoppers. It gives them cheap "credibility".
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Jul 26, 2006 1:45:58 GMT -5
That said, there is no reason why Johnny Cash should receive any alternative airplay with a non-alternative cover. "Hurt" peaked around #37, which was rather flukish. On today's alternative rock radio climate, change the "should" to "would" and I agree with you. Because it's the equivalent of pop radio; you don't hear pop stations throwing in Beatles and Elvis tunes. He and other country legends (Hank, Willie, Merle, Waylon, Patsy, Loretta, Dolly, etc.) only get played on specialty classic country programming. And if you mean his recent stuff, it's because his recent stuff is out of step with current country music and is much more suitable to a format like AAA. I disagree with you 100%. Mostly because they're not seen as hard-living, death-obsessed, rebel badasses. I'd say not most, buy many, who are quick to vocalize their love for Johnny since his death are just doing it out of respectful obligation and cheap credibility, yes. But I guess if you're in a rockabilly audience, where the demographic skews a little older, then most of it's legit.
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Post by jdmasta289 on Jul 29, 2006 3:16:32 GMT -5
My point, Nick, o king of the cynics (I say that in a friendly way), was that Johnny Cash never was an alternative artist. I'm sure Elvis and the Beatles have had limited influence here as well, so maybe a non-dance Elvis vs. JXL mix should have made it here, or any Beatles rarities. I see what you're saying about Cash's "bad-ass" appeal here, but let's face the obvious: most of his young fans only like him now because it's either a) cool to do so or b) because of the movie.
Besides, I could probably think of hundreds of non-alternative artists who have influence here...
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Jul 29, 2006 14:07:00 GMT -5
Hey, I'm far from being the most cynical person here.
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Post by Crushcrushchris on Nov 9, 2006 10:33:19 GMT -5
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Nov 10, 2006 3:10:12 GMT -5
Star-studded, eh? Lame...
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Post by oscillations. on Nov 10, 2006 16:21:15 GMT -5
"Alternative", again, is such a loose term. If we are to view alternative as "left-of-the-middle" (it's purest context), I think Johnny Cash's Rick Rubin produced material qualifies, as it's unconventional material. At the end of the day, it's his essence, not so much his SOUND that has registered with younger "alternative" listeners. They see something in him they cannot identify with in Willie Nelson, for example. However, I would argue that Johnny Cash (and Bob Dylan, too) has been extremely influential to alternative artists. Maybe not if we're talking about bands like 30 Seconds To Mars, but if we are talking about "alternative" in a larger, format-free sense, it certainly is the case. I think in cases like Cash's, more liberal stations forget format temporarily and play the song simply because it deserves to be heard and because they know, for whatever reason, it will resonate with listeners. Progressive station managers may not rocket the song to overall chart success, and obviously, it's a rarity for such exceptions to be made. But the good news is that these exceptions CAN be made, as they should be.
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Post by oscillations. on Nov 10, 2006 16:44:16 GMT -5
P.S. I think it's interesting to see the Who's latest material recieve no attention from Alternative. Obviously, they've had a tremendous impact on artists across the spectrum. Same goes for the Stones. It seems, although exceptions are VERY occasionally made, overall, Alternative is afraid to play too many veteran artists, lest they become too close to "classic rock" and scare off the 18-25 year old male quotient. Those in that age range are more interested in hearing the groups' "prime" material (not that there's anything wrong with that). In other words, something "current" has to be evident about the artist in question. I think Cash's recent hipster revival is convincing enough to programmers to take the risk.
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Post by friday on Nov 15, 2006 11:03:33 GMT -5
Man, it's so disconcerting to know that Justin Timberlake was involved in the production of the video (and I'm not talking about his five seconds of camera time).
I'd agree with Nick about its pointlessness if it weren't for the beautiful photography and cinematography. Really the only thing that makes it worthwhile (aside from the song, of course).
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Nov 15, 2006 14:45:34 GMT -5
Yeah, I happened to watch it yesterday myself. I agree with friday in that a total disaster on paper was actually avoided quite beautifully. Oh yeah, and this song is fantastic. If I got to hear it a lot more consistently, I'd probably be charting it right now.
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Post by crash46 on Nov 18, 2006 1:30:49 GMT -5
Last couple weeks I've been hearing this a lot, and I'm liking this one too. What's the deal with this song anyway--I recognize it from when Moby did it five years ago, under the title "Run On", but I don't think it was actually his song either. Who gets credit on the original?
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Post by Nicholas2.0 on Nov 19, 2006 3:09:40 GMT -5
Why, I'll just look it up and tell you:
Moby sampled "Run on for a Long Time" by Bill Landford & the Landfordaires.
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Post by oscillations. on Nov 19, 2006 7:28:35 GMT -5
I surprised myself; I like the video.
I don't know, somehow it's just cool to know someone had so much impact that they could draw such disparate types together for a video tribute.
And, like others have said, it's beautifully shot.
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